Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[kage69]

No coming back from that. Pressure hull breach plus a fire? Might as well be on the bottom.

Russia takes a decade or more to retrofit working vessels, and that's when they're not at war.

 

[K1052]

Apparently Brazil is running into problems keeping their Leopard 1A5 tank fleet operational. Germany, for Ukraine, has sucked down all the available spare parts on the market.

They've be better off selling their 1A5s to Ukraine (or to the Germans if that makes them feel better) and buying some decent used third gen tanks but they probably won't.

 

[tweaker2]

Need to rename the sub The Fubar.

 

[Ajay]

There are reports that China have effectively cut off Russia at the knees. Maybe in reaction to their attempt of a deal with North Korea?

I think so.

f this is true, its likely that there will be no military equipment coming from North Korea. Maybe the whole North Korean meeting was a bluff to the West... try to convince them that Russia is in it for the long war. But with China out of this game, I can't see North Korea being willing to keep Russia in the game.

NK will find a way to ship their hardware to Russia. They hate the Chinese anyway. It couldn't have been a bluff, Russia really needs NK's arty, etc.

 

[Jaskalas]

Apparently there is an outdated document from Poland that details their emergency plan in case of Russian invasion.
The striking thing is, no MAD. Just purely conventional thinking and planning. As if no one in NATO would actually protect each other with nukes.
If a member of NATO knows this is the plan, every man for himself.....

Why would Russia ever stop at just Ukraine?

Poland planned to surrender 40% of its territories in case of Russian invasion​

“The plan for the use of the armed forces, approved by the then head of the Defense Ministry Klich, stipulated that the country’s independent defense would last a maximum of two weeks, and in seven days the enemy would reach the right bank of the Vistula. The documents clearly show that Lublin, Rzeszów, and Łomża could have been a Polish Bucha,” Błaszczak said.​

 

[fskimospy]

Apparently there is an outdated document from Poland that details their emergency plan in case of Russian invasion.
The striking thing is, no MAD. Just purely conventional thinking and planning. As if no one in NATO would actually protect each other with nukes.
If a member of NATO knows this is the plan, every man for himself.....

Why would Russia ever stop at just Ukraine?

Poland planned to surrender 40% of its territories in case of Russian invasion​

“The plan for the use of the armed forces, approved by the then head of the Defense Ministry Klich, stipulated that the country’s independent defense would last a maximum of two weeks, and in seven days the enemy would reach the right bank of the Vistula. The documents clearly show that Lublin, Rzeszów, and Łomża could have been a Polish Bucha,” Błaszczak said.​

That is…uhhh….not what the document says. It’s discussing strategy to win the war by delaying the Russian army until the US arrives, not a planned permanent surrender.

Plan A in a war between NATO and Russia was and always will be to leverage NATO’s overwhelming conventional superiority to force the Russians to surrender and use nukes only as a last resort. It’s a smart plan!

 

[K1052]

Based on previous analysis trading land for time before NATO firepower could be brought to bear is a good plan. This assumed a much higher level of effectiveness of Russian ground forces though and well..yeah.

Also reasons Poland is buying, almost literally, every weapon system they can get their hands on. Including a "fuck you" amount of tanks, artillery, and especially MLRS.

 

[pcgeek11]

haha

MBDA breaking out the good scotch today

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703728356208881975

Hard to tell if the actual hull is breached or not as I'm not familiar with the Superstructure and Ballast Tank configuration. But if the hull is breached (which it appears to be) or there is any warping from the fire, that fucker is done! Even if not it will be out of service for years....

I think it's done for.

 

[K1052]

Hard to tell if the actual hull is breached or not as I'm not familiar with the Superstructure and Ballast Tank configuration. But if the hull is breached (which it appears to be) or there is any warping from the fire, that fucker is done! Even if not it will be out of service for years....

I think it's done for.

It would likely be faster just to scrap it and build a new one even if a repair might be possible, which I think is what they'll do. 636.6 production line is still open.

 

[dainthomas]

Based on previous analysis trading land for time before NATO firepower could be brought to bear is a good plan. This assumed a much higher level of effectiveness of Russian ground forces though and well..yeah.

Also reasons Poland is buying, almost literally, every weapon system they can get their hands on. Including a "fuck you" amount of tanks, artillery, and especially MLRS.

I listened to a military historian talk about this strategy, called "defense in depth". Basically an army weakens the further it advances, so a strategic retreat while periodically engaging them is far more effective than trying to stop them at the initial point of advance. Especially if you're expecting reinforcements in the near future.

 

[K1052]

I listened to a military historian talk about this strategy, called "defense in depth". Basically an army weakens the further it advances, so a strategic retreat while periodically engaging them is far more effective than trying to stop them at the initial point of advance. Especially if you're expecting reinforcements in the near future.

Which made sense for Poland and probably will until a few years from now when the bulk of their new armaments are delivered and integrated.

 

[Pens1566]

I listened to a military historian talk about this strategy, called "defense in depth". Basically an army weakens the further it advances, so a strategic retreat while periodically engaging them is far more effective than trying to stop them at the initial point of advance. Especially if you're expecting reinforcements in the near future.

Always was the combined NATO plan. Retreat through the fulda gap and melt the advancing armor with air and tech superiority to counter superior #s.

 

[Brovane]

I listened to a military historian talk about this strategy, called "defense in depth". Basically an army weakens the further it advances, so a strategic retreat while periodically engaging them is far more effective than trying to stop them at the initial point of advance. Especially if you're expecting reinforcements in the near future.

Nazi Germany used this technique in 1943 after the defeat of the 6th Army at Stalingrad to stabilize the Eastern front. The Germans allowed the Soviets to overextend themselves and then counterattacked.

 

[UNCjigga]

Hard to tell if the actual hull is breached or not as I'm not familiar with the Superstructure and Ballast Tank configuration. But if the hull is breached (which it appears to be) or there is any warping from the fire, that fucker is done! Even if not it will be out of service for years....

I think it's done for.

Maybe they can repurpose it for tours of the Titanic—just put giant windows where the holes are!!

 

[tweaker2]

It would likely be faster just to scrap it and build a new one even if a repair might be possible, which I think is what they'll do. 636.6 production line is still open.

I'd bet that 9 out of ten automotive and home insurance adjusters agree with your assessment. The lone outrider felt that repairing the Challenger Space Shuttle was doable.

 

[pcgeek11]

It would likely be faster just to scrap it and build a new one even if a repair might be possible, which I think is what they'll do. 636.6 production line is still open.

The US had to scrap the USS Miami due to a fire set by a Yardbird so he could get off work early.

Citing tight budgets, U.S. Navy decides to scrap fire-damaged sub

The U.S. Navy said on Wednesday it will scrap a nuclear-powered submarine damaged by an arsonist last year rather than repair it, saying the $700 million repair cost could not be justified in a time of tight budgets.

www.reuters.com

 

[brycejones]

https://x.com/UKikaski/status/1703131041072918726?s=20

some HIMARS's in action for you

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703189730316132631

someone ran some numbers....not accounting graft in these i'm assuming...

It’a Russia so probably half was just stolen off the top.

 

[Jaskalas]

That is…uhhh….not what the document says. It’s discussing strategy to win the war by delaying the Russian army until the US arrives, not a planned permanent surrender.

Plan A in a war between NATO and Russia was and always will be to leverage NATO’s overwhelming conventional superiority to force the Russians to surrender and use nukes only as a last resort. It’s a smart plan!

A last resort, to save who?

I say it is "every man for himself" when it comes to the nuclear deterrent. And it is.
MAD is supposed to result in everyone killed. So why risk it, why kill you and your family over Poland?
That Poland has conventional plans makes something very clear. They have no nuclear shield. Russia is "free" to attack Europe up until the UK and France. Rest of the continent is conventional warfare.

With conventional, all Russia needs is a US President to flip Turkey and betray NATO. We will be in too much disarray to save Ukraine, Moldova, Baltics, etc. There is no end to Russia's ambition. Once they gain enough ground, it helps set the stage for the next invasion. Eastern Europe better pray Ukraine can take Crimea. Or they are next.

 

[fskimospy]

A last resort, to save who?

I say it is "every man for himself" when it comes to the nuclear deterrent. And it is.
MAD is supposed to result in everyone killed. So why risk it, why kill you and your family over Poland?
That Poland has conventional plans makes something very clear. They have no nuclear shield. Russia is "free" to attack Europe up until the UK and France. Rest of the continent is conventional warfare.

With conventional, all Russia needs is a US President to flip Turkey and betray NATO. We will be in too much disarray to save Ukraine, Moldova, Baltics, etc. There is no end to Russia's ambition. Once they gain enough ground, it helps set the stage for the next invasion. Eastern Europe better pray Ukraine can take Crimea. Or they are next.

So why even have conventional forces then?

 

[biostud]

So why even have conventional forces then?

So you can annex small countries/neighbouring regions into your own country without throwing nukes.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The US had to scrap the USS Miami due to a fire set by a Yardbird so he could get off work early.

Sub arsonist proclaims his innocence

When Casey Fury was a student in Portsmouth High School's Class of 2006, he was \

www.seacoastonline.com

So they made a mental health patient work there under heavy medication? Hope they learned their lesson.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sub arsonist proclaims his innocence

When Casey Fury was a student in Portsmouth High School's Class of 2006, he was \

www.seacoastonline.com

So they made a mental health patient work there under heavy medication? Hope they learned their lesson.

Everybody in jail is innocent... Just ask them.

He wasn't "made" to work anywhere. He was free to leave/quit anytime he wanted, he was a civilian yard bird.

Article was from May 2015.

Fury now admits to setting the smaller fire and pulling a fire alarm on another date, but not setting the $400 million fire, for which he'd previously taken responsibility.

But he didn't set the big fire. Really? If he felt the way he describes he should have quit his job and moved on to something else. Instead he chose to endanger innocent people. Anyway he is still in jail where he belongs.

 

[Zor Prime]

Ukraine poised to sue Poland, Hungary & Slovakia over grain.

 

[cytg111]

Just liquidate Hungary to pay for the grain. Ship the Hungarians to Russia and shuttle in Europes migrant crisis to their new land. Tired of Hungary.

 

[RnR_au]

Could be a case of wishful thinking but they are claiming Russian sources... so...



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If these are the last Russian reserves... I know... wishful thinking.