Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[cytg111]

There is no evidence Russia wants to advance beyond its immediate borders and occupy foreign lands. Ukraine is an exception because of NATO intervention in the country. Sort of like Georgia in some ways too.

But if the attitude is "All or nothing," that means that there will be no peace. That means more suffering for Ukraine.

I agree. We should get NATO boots on the ground there, at assist in "the suffering" dont you agree? To push back the invaders once and for all. It will probably break Putins back too and set the stage for a regime change. Everybody wins. Dont you agree?

 

[cytg111]

Openly calling for violence against another poster is allowed on Anandtech. Let it be known.

Let's hope you're put against the same wall as Putin.

Dude, bare careful of rats ok?

 

[cytg111]

Uh huh, the world is multi polar now. Western dominance is over. China is the dominant power that is doing much more trade than America and has a bigger navy as well. You cannot sanction China like you can with Russia. So I don't know where your arrogance is coming from.

I love the word "we." Like you have any power.

The world remembers the genocide in Iraq, Lybia, Syria and Afghanistan.

Holy fuck, get off the shrooms buddy. Wanna bet China is rethinking like 99% of its doctrine after watching Russia beating itself to a pulp on small inferior Ukraine wielding superior last generation(and last-last) NATO gear? Shit, you all out of clues man . You're funny .

 

[Racan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675430434547679233

The Ukrainian military pass by the destroyed/damaged Ukrainian equipment at the beginning of the counteroffensive in the Zaporozhye direction. You can see Finnish Leopard 2R mine-clearing tanks, American BMP M113, M2 Bradley, but Leopard tanks and other equipmentIt is worth noting that the Ukrainian military is moving freely, which means that the front line has moved far forward in this direction. All this equipment will be evacuated to the rear and many of them will again perform combat duties after repair.

 

[cytg111]

Ok buddy.

Someone is going up on a wall, that's for sure.

Ukraine-Russia war latest: 700,000 Ukrainian children taken to Russia, says Moscow

Around 700,000 children have been taken from conflict zones in Ukraine into Russian territory, a Russian MP has said.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[trenchfoot]

Should name that guy de-raildogg. Every time he/she posts, this thread comes off the rails. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and post some news after the present insanity of posts/counter posts ends. This isn't even a real debate - just non stop trolling.

raildogg is just like any other lying talking head over at FOX. It wouldn't surprise me at all if FOX is helping raildogg's efforts in one way or another. He or she is getting paid to derail this thread by drawing attention to him/herself and away from the thread topic just like the Repubs and their spokespersons over at FOX need to draw attention to themselves to make themselves feel relevant and valuable to their efforts at weakening, destabilizing and eventually toppling our democracy.

They both share the same end game after all. That being said, I've learned quite a bit irt raildogg's/grasshopper's/whyitso's methodology toward messing with this thread. In a way it's rather fun to see them swinging for the fences and striking out in hilarious fashion. F for effort and A+ for making asses of themselves.

 

[cytg111]

To be clear, Russia itself is now claiming to have taken in 700,000 Ukrainian children.
Guess that's better than outright killing them? But Russia will feed and raise them for the purpose of becoming meat for the frontline. You can count on many of them being abused, eventually tortured and murdered for Russia's Genocidal ambition.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675703440259858432

I dont see Ukraine has a choice but to go take the children back. Roll on Moscow.

 

[RnR_au]

I dont see Ukraine has a choice but to go take the children back. Roll on Moscow.

Why stop at Ukraine.... if this is true the EU needs to activate their bombers.

 

[brycejones]

Debate can only happen with mature people who are willing to listen. I don't see anyone here maybe with the exception of one (maybe) person. The modern Western people are not willing to listen to other people. Their arrogance is too strong!

Lol, says the guy who ignores all evidence of Russia’s war of aggression.

 

[zinfamous]

Debate can only happen with mature people who are willing to listen.

so again, why are you even here?

 

[RnR_au]

so again, why are you even here?

Because they have a score board with the other trolls to see how many reply posts they can get. Its private competition.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Thank fuck that neocons and western media are going to save the world from insane socialist regimes like Russia and China.

 

[Perknose]

What Sweden's submarines bring to NATO​

"What makes the Swedes so strong?

Experience. Sweden has been operating submarines in the Baltic since 1904. None of the neighbouring countries have been as active underwater as the Swedes.

"We have regional expertise, which fills a gap, expertise that NATO doesn't have," said Submarine Flotilla Commander Fredrik Linden.

The Baltic is also a complex waterway: With lots of rivers feeding it, it has widely varying salinity levels. These change both the buoyancy of a submarine and the way sound travels under water, and it takes local knowledge to navigate successfully.

The Swedish submarine HMS Gotland lies in a port at the naval base of Karlskrona, Sweden May 25, 2023. REUTERS/Tom Little/File Photo

Sweden's submarines can stay underwater for weeks.

While submerged, conventional submarines run on battery power. Most need to resurface after a couple of days so their diesel engines can run to recharge the batteries.

But Swedish submarines have liquid oxygen stored in tanks on board to run the diesel engines underwater to recharge the batteries, so they can stay submerged for longer and reduce the risk of detection."

^^^ Putin remains a MASTER strategist . . . for NATO!

 

[you2]

To be clear, Russia itself is now claiming to have taken in 700,000 Ukrainian children.
Guess that's better than outright killing them? But Russia will feed and raise them for the purpose of becoming meat for the frontline. You can count on many of them being abused, eventually tortured and murdered for Russia's Genocidal ambition.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675703440259858432

This is probably the total number of Ukraine's enslaved. However, why Russia is even mentioning these numbers is beyond me. This seems to imply they feel this is a 'good' thing and not an 'evil' or 'bad' thing.

 

[K1052]

German Defense minister said that Ukraine will be receiving substantial numbers of 1A5 tanks in the coming weeks. I presume these will receive the customary ERA blanket before being sent to the fronts.

 

[Dave_5k]

This is probably the total number of Ukraine's enslaved. However, why Russia is even mentioning these numbers is beyond me. This seems to imply they feel this is a 'good' thing and not an 'evil' or 'bad' thing.

Russia had repeatedly and openly admitted (and bragged about) this crime of genocide, in direct violation of the Geneva convention against genocide that has been in force since 1951. Which is apparently toothless against a security council member like Russia.

 

[JTsyo]

I can say fuck Joe Biden anywhere. You get 6 years in prison for calling the smo a war.

Pretty sure you have to say "Let's go Brandon". /s

Arguing with the Russian side is pointless since it's not rational. There ins't really much room for discussion. Russia invaded Ukraine and occupies much of the country. Ukraine currently looks like it'll be able to displace the Russians, though it might take years, so they will keep fighting until they do. Doesn't really matter what people on the internet say.

 

[Jaskalas]

I dont see Ukraine has a choice but to go take the children back. Roll on Moscow.

Those children will one day return to Ukraine. As cannon fodder.
Russia's Medvedev vows an unending war. Knowing that NATO does not accept countries with active conflict, Russia vows to never stop.
Putin is absolutely counting on us electing pro-Russia right wingers in the years ahead.

 

[mindless1]

... It wouldn't surprise me at all if FOX is helping raildogg's efforts in one way or another. He or she is getting paid to derail this thread by drawing attention to him/herself and away from the thread topic just like the Repubs and their spokespersons over at FOX need to draw attention to themselves to make themselves feel relevant and valuable to their efforts at weakening, destabilizing and eventually toppling our democracy.

lol, someone's been drinking the kool-aid out of their tin-foil hat.

Yes, Fox really cares about this game changing AT forum topic.

 

[cytg111]

Those children will one day return to Ukraine. As cannon fodder.
Russia's Medvedev vows an unending war. Knowing that NATO does not accept countries with active conflict, Russia vows to never stop.
Putin is absolutely counting on us electing pro-Russia right wingers in the years ahead.

Like rawdogged suggested, Le Pen of France, for one… But the ace would of course getting a puppet in the WH again.

 

[cytg111]

lol, someone's been drinking the kool-aid out of their tin-foil hat.

Yes, Fox really cares about this game changing AT forum topic.

Oh I am sure this is not the only place he spreads his bs.

 

[Racan]

After Prigozhin another sudden bout of truth telling, this time from Igor Girkin aka Strelkov...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675831522622861313

 

[kage69]

Holy fuck, get off the shrooms buddy. Wanna bet China is rethinking like 99% of its doctrine after watching Russia beating itself to a pulp on small inferior Ukraine wielding superior last generation(and last-last) NATO gear? Shit, you all out of clues man . You're funny .

If you want to laugh do a search of his posts. He's been vomiting the anti West stuff for years, even to posters like me who were very much against elective Iraq 2.0. He was a Fox Noise fluffer back in the Cheney days, has somehow become even less informed and more hostile to facts since then. I almost feel bad for him. To be so intellectually and morally bankrupt, the addiction to bad faith arguments and emotional commitment to fascist conservatism, yikes. Just refuses to let facts alter his worldview.

Pathetic, but it's a choice afterall. I will reserve my sympathy for the people who have to deal with him irl.

 

[Ajay]

As of yesterday: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-2-2023

Key Takeaways:

• Ukrainian forces reportedly conducted counteroffensive operations in six sectors of the front on July 2 and made gains in some of these areas.
• Russian forces conducted another series of drone and missile strikes targeting southern Ukraine and Kyiv on July 2.
• The Russian MoD’s conflict with the milblogger community over a trivial combat operation may indicate that the Russian military command does not think it has any other successes to report to Putin amidst the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive.
• The Russian MoD’s attempt to overstate a potential tactical Russian victory near the Antonivsky Bridge and its efforts to restrict opposing information has backfired.
• Putin continues to face the choice of either siding with the Russian MoD to defend its weakened reputation or maintaining his support among pro-war ultranationalist milbloggers and their patronage networks.
• Russian and Ukrainian forces continued to engage in positional battles along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna frontline.
• Ukrainian and Russian forces continued to conduct limited ground attacks around Bakhmut and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
• Ukrainian forces reportedly conducted limited offensive operations in western Donetsk Oblast and have advanced as of July 2.
• Russian sources claimed that Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted limited offensive operations in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia oblasts border area.
• Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces maintain limited positions in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast near the Antonivsky Bridge as of July 2.
• Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov stated that Russian officials plan to create regional centers for the development of drones in Nizhny Novgorod as well as in occupied Sevastopol, Crimea, and Mariupol, Donetsk Oblast.
• Ukrainian and Belarusian sources reported that Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko and other Belarusian officials and citizens are actively involved in the deportation of Ukrainian children from occupied territories to Belarus.

So, it seems there aren't really any 'axes' of attack, more like sectors (six). I presume that's because there is not clear direction to a target area, as the UA is really in a slog with the RuA.

As has been pointed on (not in this article), western armaments and western tactics rely heavily on western long range rocket assisted artillery and LR air launched cruise missiles to knock out medium to long range SAMs. Then fighter bombers can come in and smash Russian defenses. So, unfortunately, Ukraine is fighting with one arm tied behind it's back. I've been annoyed at the reluctance of giving the UA ATACAMS - considering the Administration's reluctance as too risk adverse. Now, those who pushed for the earlier transfer of western aircraft to the UAF are being proven right. Now I better understand Gen. Zaluzhny's frustration.

 

[you2]

Only

I can say fuck Joe Biden anywhere. You get 6 years in prison for calling the smo a war.

Yea as in this case:

Russian court spurns emotional appeal from man whose daughter drew anti-war picture

A Russian man who was investigated by police after his daughter drew an anti-war picture at school told a court in the regional capital of Tula on Monday that he would rather face capital punishment than be separated from her. Alexei Moskalyov was sentenced in March to two years in a penal...

news.yahoo.com

(think about the crime - calling a war a war)