IronWing
No Lifer
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Unless Fox News etc. goes so far as to say that sanctioning Putin directly would have made things better in Ukraine yesterday as opposed to today, this renders their critique of Biden pretty damn silly.
Who am I kidding? Of course they'll make that argument. Or that it was their press that gave him the idea.
I have Twitter, Youtube and Facebook Blocked from work. I can't see the images you posted.Strange that media embeds do not work for you.
Do you have twitter itself blocked?
Here is what it is supposed to look like.
Pens1566
Lifer
- Oct 11, 2005
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Yeah, while I agree with the sentiment ... we're not implementing an NFZ over Ukraine. If you get to that point, might as well start taking shots when you get them. It'll be the same thing.
Yeah, I thought about that one this morning and came to same conclusion. Russia won't respect it if it was declared so the only way to make it effective would be to shoot down Russian planes and helicopters and that would escalate very quickly.
Jaskalas
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2004
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Abandoning the world to belligerents like Russia and China is a good way to accomplish that, if it were a goal of yours.
You ARE here speaking against taking action.
pauldun170
Diamond Member
- Sep 26, 2011
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You on a flip phone?
Don't you have a corporate toilet stall that gets good reception?
Pens1566
Lifer
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I'd be interested to see how the S-400s perform, but not at that cost.
I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of their systems are lots of bark and very little bite. This isn't a stellar show they're putting on with the whole world watching. Kinda embarrassing to be perfectly honest, and that can't be helping with Vlad's mindset at all. They really look like a middling bully with an over exaggerated capability that really only has nukes.
Ukraine is putting on an interesting audition for NATO though. Tough SOBs. I understand there's quite a positive impression of them from our side. At least in terms of the improvement they've made in the last decade or so.
The action that should have been taken before now was admitting Ukraine to NATO. We are long past that point. So I ask you again: How many American lives are you willing to spend to get into a shooting war with Russia now?
You've already advocated for sinking the Russian navy in the Black Sea. How do you think that will turn out? How big of a conflict do you want right now?
For the record cut Russia off from SWIFT right now, make them a pariah state, inflict all the economic pain we can, where we can provide weapons to Ukraine. I don't advocate for doing nothing, but I think a getting into a shooting war is a really fucking dumb move.
I am on a working computer, where all of the social media has been blocked...
pauldun170
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From what I recall CERTAIN aircraft from a CERTAIN country got to have fun over Syria and the S400 systems were none the wiser.
imported_tajmahal
Lifer
- Jul 9, 2009
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As we watch the destruction of Ukraine, realize we are also watching the destruction of the Democrat party at home. Agree or disagree, everything in the past 14 months will be hung around their necks, paving the way for a nice "only I can fix it" strongman moment. And the majority will embrace it.
Don't even worry about the state legislatures or fake electors or anything else at this point. It will be a blow out and they won't hold power for a long, long time.
Maybe Bannon's "100 seats for 100 years" was right.
Don't even worry about the state legislatures or fake electors or anything else at this point. It will be a blow out and they won't hold power for a long, long time.
Maybe Bannon's "100 seats for 100 years" was right.
Artorias
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- Feb 8, 2014
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Time for urban insurgency to get to work. If Armor gets into the city they could easily be surrounded and sitting ducks.
Pens1566
Lifer
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I missed that then. Like I said though, wouldn't shock me one damn bit. They've (Russians) done a hell of a marketing job getting all their satellite states to buy them though.
I've always worried about Turkey using them. Not just from the above concern (not as good as advertised), but that they'd get a neutered version or one that was subject to ... outside control. Turkey worries me for several more reasons wrt NATO, but that's another discussion. And that's not an uncommon thought either.
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You really are a broken human being. I'd almost feel better if you were nothing more than a troll. At least then it's sort of an act.
I can only imagine you at a restaurant. ‘My steak is undercooked! You know what this means - a landslide for Republicans. We are doomed.’
imported_tajmahal
Lifer
- Jul 9, 2009
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Putin with his Nazi tactics and invasion of the Ukraine drive Finland and Sweden closer to joining NATO.
Odd. You sure showed me by picking option C when I have options A & B. One thing's for sure: someone supplying you with information is intending to be deceitful.
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