Rumour: Iphone 5 with a 4" screen.....

[Red Storm]

And nobody had a usable popular tablet til the iPad. Too bad, none of these other companies can come out with a better product before Apple.

Win7 phones come out 4 years after the 1st iPhone without copy/paste, nobody gives them shit about that but Apple still gets shit for it.

People also give Apple shit for how expensive the iPad is but ignore the fact that competent iPad competitors cost even more.

I definitely remember Microsoft getting flamed for not having copy/paste at launch, especially because their OS came out way later than the competition. I also remember people flaming Motorola and Verizon on the Xoom's price.

 

[akugami]

No one "gets it right" in the sense that there's a phone that has the complete package; that does it all for everyone. Smartphones and tablets are in their infancy, with similar issues to what PCs had in their infancy. They'll get there someday, thanks to a vibrant array of criticisms... just like PCs had in the 90s and early 2000s.

Apple having only one phone isn't why I don't like the iPhone, the iPad, or Apple.. it's a criticism for them not having a front camera and LED flash, for example, from the start.

So you admit that "no one gets it right" and yet there are no criticisms whatsoever leveled at companies like Samsung or HTC for their flaws. The same flaws present in multiple phones btw, but Apple gets all of the criticisms from you. And in multiple posts. The same flaws you're pointing out in Apple's iPhones were not present in most Android phones during the time Apple released their iPhones. No criticisms on them. It's all about Apple's incompetence. Only Apple has this trouble. Not HTC. Not Samsung. Not Motorola. Only Apple. You just refuse to admit your bias even when it's in front of your face. That's ok.

It's all very amusing, particularly how much all of this appears to ruffle your feathers. Thanks for the laughs.

What ruffles my feathers are posts like yours that show huge bias. Posts like yours are posted not because you want to provide constructive criticism. It's a smear campaign vs Apple (or another company). They add less than zero to these forums. They are a negative. That's what ruffles my feathers. There are plenty of constructive criticisms of Apple that I have zero problems with. Your bias and hypocrisy (which is easily provable searching your post history) doesn't allow you to see that point. It's something you purposefully ignore.

Before you continue to label me as bias and an Apple fanboy, I've posted news that doesn't cast Apple in a good light before. Of course I comment more on Apple news than Android. It's because it's my platform of choice. I don't comment much on Android because it doesn't suit my needs. I will comment when I see a real flaw or deficiency that makes Android not suitable to my needs but that's it.

And if you wish to reply do it in PM's. I won't comment further publicly in this thread on your known bias and smear campaign vs Apple.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It's not insider information, it's common sense. What exactly is so complicated about a front camera and an LED flash? I expect a company that produces only one phone or one tablet to make it the most feature-complete. Things like a front camera and LED flash should not take until the 4th version of the phone and the 2nd version of the tablet to arrive.

Of course no phone is perfect, but when your company only has one phone it's probably best to make it as close to perfect as you can. Part of perfection is including all of the features people want or will want.

1) LED flash has been out on phones since 2004.
2) Multi megapixel phones have been out since 2005.

How long did it take for these features to finally migrate into the phones used in the US?

Video calling has been a long time feature of other phones (Nokia N-series). Why is it that Apple finally made it popular? No one gave a shit about a front facing camera till Apple pointed it out to the public with the iPhone 4... even the HTC Evo didn't generate that much hype regarding the front facing camera.

So now that Apple made it popular, you're going to criticize them for not bringing it around earlier? Did you care that the HTC Touch Diamond from 2008 had one? NOPE. Because out of everyone who had a HTC Touch Diamond in the US, who even used the freaking front camera? Oh that's right. Like 0.0001%

Tethering has been a longtime feature. Windows Mobile did it and Symbian did it. I remember seeing a thread with people going "OMG BT tethering is so amazing." I then pointed out wifi tethering as a possibility as I did it on my N-series. This was years ago. I remember people saying how they didn't have Wifi on their phones and they had to rely on BT only. Now Android 2.2 brings it to the table and you all act like the wheel was just invented.

There's no real reason to bash all these phone manufacturers. Like people said no one gets it perfect. What's more important is if basic everyday features aren't there. You are right to bash Apple for C&P or for multitasking, but I believe it's just as appropriate to bash Android for excessive force closes and a non-fluid UI.

Honestly, Apple products do lack in features sometimes, but for what it has released, it's damn good (save maybe the badge notification system).

1) Multitouch was done right. The keyboard had multitouch. Took til 2.3 before Google included it. There are many reports including on my stock Milestone ROM where the touch freaks out sometimes and when you pinch zoom in Google Maps and let go, it zooms a little more. This was later fixed in almost every custom ROM with a multitouch fix. But for a stock ROM To have this issue? Come on.

2) Copy paste may be behind but it came out polished. What Android has is sad.

3) Mobile Safari is fast. I see slowdowns where zooming is choppy on my Android phone. You can use shear horsepower of dual core processors to boost browsing speeds, but the shear fast scrolling and load speeds of Safari is still amazing. Sure. It does lack Flash though.

4) Camera. What Android phone has an amazing camera still? The iPhone 4 took on the Nokia N8's 1/1.8" sensor and did damn well.

5) Push notifications. I know the badge notifications suck, but push is widely used in iOS instead of pull. How many Android apps use push still? There was talk of expanding push in 2.2, but it's still barely used. Perhaps combining Android's notifications with Apple's Push service would be great.

I'd rather a polished OS come out than a halfassed one. CyanogenMod is awesome, but if Google thought of these things to begin with and polished their OS up a bit, this would be nice. This is exactly why we have Touchwiz and Sense because honestly, raw unrefined Android isn't ready for the masses.

 

[zsdersw]

1) LED flash has been out on phones since 2004.
2) Multi megapixel phones have been out since 2005.

How long did it take for these features to finally migrate into the phones used in the US?

Video calling has been a long time feature of other phones (Nokia N-series). Why is it that Apple finally made it popular? No one gave a shit about a front facing camera till Apple pointed it out to the public with the iPhone 4... even the HTC Evo didn't generate that much hype regarding the front facing camera.

So now that Apple made it popular, you're going to criticize them for not bringing it around earlier? Did you care that the HTC Touch Diamond from 2008 had one? NOPE. Because out of everyone who had a HTC Touch Diamond in the US, who even used the freaking front camera? Oh that's right. Like 0.0001%

The fact that it's been around for a long time only further demonstrates why it should've been in the iPhone/iPad from day 1. There's a fine nexus between hardware driving software and software driving hardware; they both work and do happen. Including the front camera and LED flash from the beginning would've driven the software and popular interest back then the same way it has now. There's no good reason for the delay.

Tethering has been a longtime feature. Windows Mobile did it and Symbian did it. I remember seeing a thread with people going "OMG BT tethering is so amazing." I then pointed out wifi tethering as a possibility as I did it on my N-series. This was years ago. I remember people saying how they didn't have Wifi on their phones and they had to rely on BT only. Now Android 2.2 brings it to the table and you all act like the wheel was just invented.

There's no real reason to bash all these phone manufacturers. Like people said no one gets it perfect. What's more important is if basic everyday features aren't there. You are right to bash Apple for C&P or for multitasking, but I believe it's just as appropriate to bash Android for excessive force closes and a non-fluid UI.

Honestly, Apple products do lack in features sometimes, but for what it has released, it's damn good (save maybe the badge notification system).

1) Multitouch was done right. The keyboard had multitouch. Took til 2.3 before Google included it. There are many reports including on my stock Milestone ROM where the touch freaks out sometimes and when you pinch zoom in Google Maps and let go, it zooms a little more. This was later fixed in almost every custom ROM with a multitouch fix. But for a stock ROM To have this issue? Come on.

2) Copy paste may be behind but it came out polished. What Android has is sad.

3) Mobile Safari is fast. I see slowdowns where zooming is choppy on my Android phone. You can use shear horsepower of dual core processors to boost browsing speeds, but the shear fast scrolling and load speeds of Safari is still amazing. Sure. It does lack Flash though.

4) Camera. What Android phone has an amazing camera still? The iPhone 4 took on the Nokia N8's 1/1.8" sensor and did damn well.

5) Push notifications. I know the badge notifications suck, but push is widely used in iOS instead of pull. How many Android apps use push still? There was talk of expanding push in 2.2, but it's still barely used. Perhaps combining Android's notifications with Apple's Push service would be great.

I'd rather a polished OS come out than a halfassed one. CyanogenMod is awesome, but if Google thought of these things to begin with and polished their OS up a bit, this would be nice. This is exactly why we have Touchwiz and Sense because honestly, raw unrefined Android isn't ready for the masses.

It's just too bad that you have such a problem with criticism of phone manufacturers.

 

[zsdersw]

So you admit that "no one gets it right" and yet there are no criticisms whatsoever leveled at companies like Samsung or HTC for their flaws. The same flaws present in multiple phones btw, but Apple gets all of the criticisms from you. And in multiple posts. The same flaws you're pointing out in Apple's iPhones were not present in most Android phones during the time Apple released their iPhones. No criticisms on them. It's all about Apple's incompetence. Only Apple has this trouble. Not HTC. Not Samsung. Not Motorola. Only Apple. You just refuse to admit your bias even when it's in front of your face. That's ok.

What ruffles my feathers are posts like yours that show huge bias. Posts like yours are posted not because you want to provide constructive criticism. It's a smear campaign vs Apple (or another company). They add less than zero to these forums. They are a negative. That's what ruffles my feathers. There are plenty of constructive criticisms of Apple that I have zero problems with. Your bias and hypocrisy (which is easily provable searching your post history) doesn't allow you to see that point. It's something you purposefully ignore.

Before you continue to label me as bias and an Apple fanboy, I've posted news that doesn't cast Apple in a good light before. Of course I comment more on Apple news than Android. It's because it's my platform of choice. I don't comment much on Android because it doesn't suit my needs. I will comment when I see a real flaw or deficiency that makes Android not suitable to my needs but that's it.

And if you wish to reply do it in PM's. I won't comment further publicly in this thread on your known bias and smear campaign vs Apple.

It's just too bad that you have such a problem with my complaints. It's not going to change what/when/where I post, so I suggest you either get used to it or ignore my posts.. it should help considerably with your blood pressure.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

The fact that it's been around for a long time only further demonstrates why it should've been in the iPhone/iPad from day 1. There's a fine nexus between hardware driving software and software driving hardware; they both work and do happen. Including the front camera and LED flash from the beginning would've driven the software and popular interest back then the same way it has now. There's no good reason for the delay.

Is Apple the only smartphone manufacturer out there? Why didn't Google or any other manufacturer spur a large movement in the way of video calling? You blame Apple for being too slow in bringing a front facing camera but the truth is no one even cared for this tech in the US. So if its so important to you why is it Apple's fault for the US not widely adopting video calling? Couldn't someone else drive interest?

LED flash is important? Once again, where was LED flash on BBs or any featurephones? Why is it again Apple's fault? Where was it on the G1? The HTC Hero? The Touch Diamond? Touch Pro? Maybe I'm not seeing it but the Droid was the first major smartphone to have a flash.

Plus ever since I went xenon flash I can't really go back to LED... its just pitiful.

It's just too bad that you have such a problem with criticism of phone manufacturers.

Actually I have no problem with HTC and Samsung. Unlike the rabid "ZOMG GPS FAILURE NO FROYO" Samsung crowd, I'm just against Moto's shittiness. But I think most users worldwide agree too.

 

[cronos]

iPhone 4 intrigued me (the first three versions did not impress me at all), but it didn't come out factory unlocked and needs serious effort to use it on prepaid. So I passed.

Now that I've experienced the joy of 5" screen, it's just too hard to go back smaller. Maybe if Apple would come out with an iPhone with 4.5" screen or bigger I'll look into the iPhone again. Of course, it would also need to be factory unlocked and easy to use on absolutely any GSM provider I want. Other than that, well maybe the iPhone is just not for me.

 

[MrX8503]

It's not insider information, it's common sense. What exactly is so complicated about a front camera and an LED flash? I expect a company that produces only one phone or one tablet to make it the most feature-complete. Things like a front camera and LED flash should not take until the 4th version of the phone and the 2nd version of the tablet to arrive.

Of course no phone is perfect, but when your company only has one phone it's probably best to make it as close to perfect as you can. Part of perfection is including all of the features people want or will want.

Common sense doesn't make you an engineer. How do you expect to implement these features while having them perform correctly and fit inside a thin phone chassis? These are things you aren't thinking about.

Like I said before "specs" don't win the race. A "feature-complete" phone doesn't make it a successful phone. Throwing features and the entire kitchen sink into a phone doesn't make it successful, you're leaving implementation entirely out of the picture.

You say that Apple only has one phone to worry about, well I could say Samsung has too many phones and instead of fixing the Galaxy S line, they release new phones.

Apple has already proven itself that the iPhone4 has the best camera, yet you still complain that Apple gimps their camera while completely ignoring the fact that other phones have even worse picture quality.

If the only thing you're worried about on the iPhone4 is it being late to LED/Camera, then maybe its actually a good phone.

Is Apple the only smartphone manufacturer out there? Why didn't Google or any other manufacturer spur a large movement in the way of video calling? You blame Apple for being too slow in bringing a front facing camera but the truth is no one even cared for this tech in the US. So if its so important to you why is it Apple's fault for the US not widely adopting video calling? Couldn't someone else drive interest?

LED flash is important? Once again, where was LED flash on BBs or any featurephones? Why is it again Apple's fault? Where was it on the G1? The HTC Hero? The Touch Diamond? Touch Pro? Maybe I'm not seeing it but the Droid was the first major smartphone to have a flash.

Exactly, I don't know why he thinks its Apple's fault. There are other smartphone players out there in this world, its their fault for not seizing it. Maybe NFC will be the next thing and I'm sure he'll be chiming in.."Apple was not the first!"

 

[zsdersw]

Common sense doesn't make you an engineer. How do you expect to implement these features while having them perform correctly and fit inside a thin phone chassis? These are things you aren't thinking about.

So there's no room in the chassis of the original iPad for a front camera? There wasn't room in the first iPhone chassis for an LED flash? That's news to me.

Like I said before "specs" don't win the race. A "feature-complete" phone doesn't make it a successful phone. Throwing features and the entire kitchen sink into a phone doesn't make it successful, you're leaving implementation entirely out of the picture.

Implementation doesn't have to suffer, either.

You say that Apple only has one phone to worry about, well I could say Samsung has too many phones and instead of fixing the Galaxy S line, they release new phones.

Go ahead and say that.. I don't particularly care.

Apple has already proven itself that the iPhone4 has the best camera, yet you still complain that Apple gimps their camera while completely ignoring the fact that other phones have even worse picture quality.

What changed so significantly between the time the first iPhone was being developed to when the 4 was being developed that made an LED flash *finally* something that Apple could then include?

If the only thing you're worried about on the iPhone4 is it being late to LED/Camera, then maybe its actually a good phone.

I'm not "worried" about the iPhone 4, but no it's not the only anything.

Exactly, I don't know why he thinks its Apple's fault. There are other smartphone players out there in this world, its their fault for not seizing it. Maybe NFC will be the next thing and I'm sure he'll be chiming in.."Apple was not the first!"

Who is responsible for Apple's products? Samsung? HTC? No... Apple is.

 

[shortylickens]

Seriously though, have we ever had an Apple thread that went well on this whole fucking forum? I think even in the official Apple section people still piss on each other.

 

[MrX8503]

lol keep on the hate zsdersw. The iPad/iPhone sells and your criticism of it "not being first/late" is trivial. Apple may not be the first or late to a lot of things, but they've consistently out gunned those who've been first.

 

[zsdersw]

lol keep on the hate zsdersw. The iPad/iPhone sells and your criticism of it "not being first/late" is trivial. Apple may not be the first or late to a lot of things, but they've consistently out gunned those who've been first.

My criticism does not depend on others' opinion of it.

 

[cheezy321]

Seriously though, have we ever had an Apple thread that went well on this whole fucking forum? I think even in the official Apple section people still piss on each other.

...and you are in every single one of them

Coincidence? I think not.

 

[cheezy321]

There are 3 douchebags on this thread that always bash apple in ANY thread that mentions them:

Shortylickens
SunnyD
zsdersw

Everyone can see how bad zsdersw is grasping at straws to make a point. Its pretty terrible.

I think most people in this forum know who the anti-apple trolls are.

 

[shortylickens]

You are so cute.
But once you clear puberty it wont be amusing any more.

 

[Jules]

Hmm, getting kinda tired of my original droid. not sure if i should get the Iphone 4 or wait for the 5?

 

[cheezy321]

You are so cute.
But once you clear puberty it wont be amusing any more.

Keep on thinking I am a child.

I will keep on thinking you are the loser who lives alone with absolutely no friends. You are bitter at the world and bitter at anyone who is even slightly social. You are mad at people who went to your college because they are better off than you. You sit alone in bars on weekends and drink because you have no friends.

Lets see whose guess is more accurate.

 

[cronos]

Hmm, getting kinda tired of my original droid. not sure if i should get the Iphone 4 or wait for the 5?

Definitely wait.

 

[Jules]

Definitely wait.

Is it even coming out for verizon?

 

[zerocool84]

Is it even coming out for verizon?

Of course the 5 is going to come out for Verizon.

 

[ew915]

I can see that this is a finished product and that the xoom or honeycomb is a project in the making.

 

[Jules]

Of course the 5 is going to come out for Verizon.

At the same time?

 

[zerocool84]

At the same time?

We would assume so. Obviously won't know for sure until it's officially announced.

 

[Jules]

We would assume so. Obviously won't know for sure until it's officially announced.

Great thanks for the advice fellas.

 

[shortylickens]

Great thanks for the advice fellas.

Its not advice its speculation. You think we'd lie if we knew for sure? Most of our lying comes from saying shit is sure when its really not.

Or in the case of Cheezy, putting words in my mouth.