Rumour: Iphone 5 with a 4" screen.....

[NaOH]

Same things can be done in HTML5, there are already a ton of sites that have HTML5 animations similiar to flash that WORK on the iphone with limited performance hit. EVEN embedded video. Check out the YouTube HTML5 page. Although, it's in Google's beta beta beta stage.

 

[shortylickens]

Why do you even come into threads about apple products?

Everyone on this forum knows your opinion on apple. Every compliment you hand out about them comes with a backhanded slap. Just leave these threads, you never provide anything beneficial in any of them.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31308414&postcount=7

You need to work harder on your reading skills. Simply glancing at the words, seeing what you want, and getting angry does NOT qualify as comprehension.
It makes it look like you are still in junior high and getting a shitty education anyway. Dont they teach critical reading skills at your college?

 

[zerocool84]

I've seen a couple of fairly slim bluetooth keyboards that attach to the phone, turning into a slider. If you're into that sort of thing a few seem to be a good option... but of course you have to keep that charged too and then you're left without a case (something I will never be without).

Every review I've read of any of the iPhone 4 keyboards suck. If you have to have one then you're stuck but all of them were crappy. Engadget reviewed a couple of them.

 

[MrX8503]

Somewhat unrelated, but still on the general topic of Apple and their improvements:
Case in point, the iPad.. took them until version 2.0 to include a front camera, or until the iPhone 4 to add an LED flash to the camera.

"Here's your brand-new, greatest-thing-since-sliced-bread Apple product... but we're withholding some features for the next version so you'll have to buy it."

Whats the point of this really? Do consumers want a product that actually works or a product that tries to do everything but can't do any one thing well?

The iPad can't do much, but the things it does do, it does them well. You can buy a less featured iPad or a glitchy Xoom.

The iPhone wasn't the first to incorporate copy/paste or even an led flash, but guess what? The iPhone4 has the best implementation of copy/paste and takes the best photos compared to any smartphone.

If you think rambling off a spec sheet wins the race you are sorely mistaken. Specs is just a single facet of the whole picture. Software, usability, UI, physical form factor, etc all matters, but of course its easy to just cherry pick a single spec that the iPhone doesn't have and throw a quick jab just to troll around.

 

[gorcorps]

Every review I've read of any of the iPhone 4 keyboards suck. If you have to have one then you're stuck but all of them were crappy. Engadget reviewed a couple of them.

Yeah I see that. Seems like the ones that have a decent layout are the bulkiest, and the smaller one has a retarded layout that ruins your ability to text.

 

[Castiel]

I know what i'm waiting for now

 

[Lumathix]

I know what i'm waiting for now

This is just a rumor. You may be waiting longer than you think.
That being said, I'm pretty sure Uncle Jobs told us all what's best for us, and that isn't a larger screen.....

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Somewhat unrelated, but still on the general topic of Apple and their improvements:

Case in point, the iPad.. took them until version 2.0 to include a front camera, or until the iPhone 4 to add an LED flash to the camera.

"Here's your brand-new, greatest-thing-since-sliced-bread Apple product... but we're withholding some features for the next version so you'll have to buy it."

It took til when to get a 5MP camera on a phone in the US when featurephones around the world have had them forever? While everyone was stuck on their RaZrs, we've had cameraphones with flash for years. And then what? How many phones in the US actually got LED flash in 2008? If anything the US phone market is finally only on track with the smartphones. Even then lots of features are missing. 2007's Nokia N95 still outdoes a Droid 2 in photos. Most likely the Atrix can't win either.

I've had a front facing camera on my Nokia phone for a while and we've been able to use Fring to video chat. So here people think that it's cool to laugh at Apple for their front facing camera slowness when Android phones don't have it across the board either. Dude, put things into perspective. It's just like the multitasking argument. If you want to laugh at iOS, don't act like Android is the gold standard.

But anyway, yes it is a shame that Apple releases things in steps. They dont' release a fully functioning product in the sense that it's got all the bells and whistles. However, you have to admit that what they release working is usually damn good. Facetime is just amazing. How do you go about it on Android? You have to get Fring, get people to sign up, etc etc. Okay?

I'd rather have an ironed out product with its most basic foundation covered rather than a phone that can claim to do so many things but still has the OS struggling to create a intuitive and smooth UI.

I mean honestly can't you draw a parallel?
- iPhone 2G: zomg no 3G, you need next version
- iPhone 3G: zomg no video yet, you need a 3GS to do it... but a hacked 3G can do it
- iPhone 3GS: zomg screen not good enough, upgraded camera still not good enough
- iPhone 4: Arite lets try a new product. FUCK ANTENNAGATE. FAIL. Ugh. We'll apologize and wait til next year. Sorry folks, you're screwed this cycle.

- Droid 1: First full blown Android phone in America. Yay! But at 550mhz its too slow. Even when overclocked, a stock 3GS seems smoother. 256mb ram? What a joke.
- Droid Inc: ZOMG 1ghz goodness. Here's ur AMOLED screen. Ah, it's faster now, but sense bloatware, piss poor battery life
- D2/Dx: Arite, this is what the Droid 1 should've been. It should've been faster with a decent amount of memory. But this time we'll lock your fucking bootloader. Imagine a locked Droid 1. How epic fail would that have been.
- Bionic: Arite, let's throw dual core processors and lets hope that Android doesn't slow down anymore. We'll use the dual core moniker to get as much money as we can even though basic UI is still slower than an iPhone 4.

Come on. Looking at each of these phones, the tech was around in 2007 to throw in a 5MP camera, LED flash, FM radio, everything that we have in an iPhone 4. The technology was there with Android 1.5 to create a smooth hardware accelerated UI but fragmentation killed it all. So now Apple uses incremental updates to make the iPhone seem like its advancing while Android throws in raw power to flex its muscle but fragmentation makes development too much work and there's still basic inconsistencies in the UI lie copy and paste features missing.

 

[zsdersw]

Whats the point of this really? Do consumers want a product that actually works or a product that tries to do everything but can't do any one thing well?

The iPad can't do much, but the things it does do, it does them well. You can buy a less featured iPad or a glitchy Xoom.

The iPhone wasn't the first to incorporate copy/paste or even an led flash, but guess what? The iPhone4 has the best implementation of copy/paste and takes the best photos compared to any smartphone.

If you think rambling off a spec sheet wins the race you are sorely mistaken. Specs is just a single facet of the whole picture. Software, usability, UI, physical form factor, etc all matters, but of course its easy to just cherry pick a single spec that the iPhone doesn't have and throw a quick jab just to troll around.

The point is things like a front camera and LED flash for the rear camera are not such nebulous, heady, and complicated technologies that they couldn't have been included in the iPad or the first iPhones.

 

[zsdersw]

It took til when to get a 5MP camera on a phone in the US when featurephones around the world have had them forever? While everyone was stuck on their RaZrs, we've had cameraphones with flash for years. And then what? How many phones in the US actually got LED flash in 2008? If anything the US phone market is finally only on track with the smartphones. Even then lots of features are missing. 2007's Nokia N95 still outdoes a Droid 2 in photos. Most likely the Atrix can't win either.

I've had a front facing camera on my Nokia phone for a while and we've been able to use Fring to video chat. So here people think that it's cool to laugh at Apple for their front facing camera slowness when Android phones don't have it across the board either. Dude, put things into perspective. It's just like the multitasking argument. If you want to laugh at iOS, don't act like Android is the gold standard.

All true... but that doesn't excuse any of it or exempt Apple and others from criticism.

But anyway, yes it is a shame that Apple releases things in steps. They dont' release a fully functioning product in the sense that it's got all the bells and whistles. However, you have to admit that what they release working is usually damn good. Facetime is just amazing. How do you go about it on Android? You have to get Fring, get people to sign up, etc etc. Okay?

Things like a front camera and LED flash are not such far-out and radical technologies that they would significantly impact usability. Frankly, there's simply no excuse for them being missing from the iPad or previous iPhones.

I mean honestly can't you draw a parallel?
- iPhone 2G: zomg no 3G, you need next version
- iPhone 3G: zomg no video yet, you need a 3GS to do it... but a hacked 3G can do it
- iPhone 3GS: zomg screen not good enough, upgraded camera still not good enough
- iPhone 4: Arite lets try a new product. FUCK ANTENNAGATE. FAIL. Ugh. We'll apologize and wait til next year. Sorry folks, you're screwed this cycle.

- Droid 1: First full blown Android phone in America. Yay! But at 550mhz its too slow. Even when overclocked, a stock 3GS seems smoother. 256mb ram? What a joke.
- Droid Inc: ZOMG 1ghz goodness. Here's ur AMOLED screen. Ah, it's faster now, but sense bloatware, piss poor battery life
- D2/Dx: Arite, this is what the Droid 1 should've been. It should've been faster with a decent amount of memory. But this time we'll lock your fucking bootloader. Imagine a locked Droid 1. How epic fail would that have been.
- Bionic: Arite, let's throw dual core processors and lets hope that Android doesn't slow down anymore. We'll use the dual core moniker to get as much money as we can even though basic UI is still slower than an iPhone 4.

Come on. Looking at each of these phones, the tech was around in 2007 to throw in a 5MP camera, LED flash, FM radio, everything that we have in an iPhone 4. The technology was there with Android 1.5 to create a smooth hardware accelerated UI but fragmentation killed it all. So now Apple uses incremental updates to make the iPhone seem like its advancing while Android throws in raw power to flex its muscle but fragmentation makes development too much work and there's still basic inconsistencies in the UI lie copy and paste features missing.

All true.. but I'm not sure what your point is. If it's that non-Apple smartphones have their share of shortcomings, that's great.. no one was claiming they don't. The shortcomings of non-Apple products don't excuse Apple's shortcomings though, do they?

 

[akugami]

The point is things like a front camera and LED flash for the rear camera are not such nebulous, heady, and complicated technologies that they couldn't have been included in the iPad or the first iPhones.

Great. Then why are those still missing from many Android phones if they are such easy to use/implement technologies? Why is Apple getting all the flack for not implementing them from day one? If it was so easy to implement then every single one of those "awesome" Android phones should have them.

Things like a front camera and LED flash are not such far-out and radical technologies that they would significantly impact usability. Frankly, there's simply no excuse for them being missing from the iPad or previous iPhones.

All true.. but I'm not sure what your point is. If it's that non-Apple smartphones have their share of shortcomings, that's great.. no one was claiming they don't. The shortcomings of non-Apple products don't excuse Apple's shortcomings though, do they?

Great. So why no rampant crapping on Android phones for lacking these features for a long while? Why does only Apple get the criticism? Why do a lot of you who profess to be Android fans and will never touch an Apple product with a ten foot pole care? Is it because you secretly are jealous of people who buy Apple products?

I see a lot of shortcomings in Android products. I don't feel the need to go into every single thread and announce them to the world. It's one thing to provide constructive criticism. The problem is a lot of fandroids simply are here to crap on Apple. All you hear about is how crappy Apple is. All you hear is how people who buy Apple products are iSheep. Never acknowledging that your beloved Android would have a shit interface without copying Apple's iOS. There's a double standard going on here and everyone knows it.

Hell, Apple pulls an app out of their store. It's front page news. Everyone hears about Apple's oppressiveness. Google does the same with PhoneFusion's Visual Voicemail app (apparently over in-app purchases or the lack thereof) and no one hears about it or posts about it and it's been close to a week since this news was out. I read about this days ago but didn't comment on it or post about it here because to a degree I simply didn't care. While details are sparse, this stinks of Google using the same heavy handedness that Apple is routinely criticized of. So where is the internet outrage from Android users who care about openness about Google using heavy handed tactics?

 

[zsdersw]

Great. Then why are those still missing from many Android phones if they are such easy to use/implement technologies? Why is Apple getting all the flack for not implementing them from day one? If it was so easy to implement then every single one of those "awesome" Android phones should have them.

Apple has one phone. You'd have a point if HTC, for example, only had one phone.

Great. So why no rampant crapping on Android phones for lacking these features for a long while? Why does only Apple get the criticism? Why do a lot of you who profess to be Android fans and will never touch an Apple product with a ten foot pole care? Is it because you secretly are jealous of people who buy Apple products?

I see a lot of shortcomings in Android products. I don't feel the need to go into every single thread and announce them to the world. It's one thing to provide constructive criticism. The problem is a lot of fandroids simply are here to crap on Apple. All you hear about is how crappy Apple is. All you hear is how people who buy Apple products are iSheep. Never acknowledging that your beloved Android would have a shit interface without copying Apple's iOS. There's a double standard going on here and everyone knows it.

Hell, Apple pulls an app out of their store. It's front page news. Everyone hears about Apple's oppressiveness. Google does the same with PhoneFusion's Visual Voicemail app (apparently over in-app purchases or the lack thereof) and no one hears about it or posts about it and it's been close to a week since this news was out. I read about this days ago but didn't comment on it or post about it here because to a degree I simply didn't care. While details are sparse, this stinks of Google using the same heavy handedness that Apple is routinely criticized of. So where is the internet outrage from Android users who care about openness about Google using heavy handed tactics?

I sympathize that your beloved company is so often and so vigorously assailed on Internet forums, but there's nothing to be done about it.

I neither criticize nor defend Google in general or Android specifically.

 

[sourceninja]

I really don't want a phone physically large them my iphone. Actually I was all set to leave ATT and get a evo until I got to hold one. It was just not a comfortable size. I like smaller phones.

I have a notebook computer for when I need to do real work.

 

[zerocool84]

I really don't want a phone physically large them my iphone. Actually I was all set to leave ATT and get a evo until I got to hold one. It was just not a comfortable size. I like smaller phones.

I have a notebook computer for when I need to do real work.

Anything larger than 3.5 is good. 3.5" seriously sucks for a high end smartphone.

 

[akugami]

Apple has one phone. You'd have a point if HTC, for example, only had one phone.

So Apple is targeted because it has only one phone model per year and the others get a free pass because they make multiple phones? That's a laughably stupid reason to justify hating on Apple. There are plenty of hardware issues I can take up with most Android phone makers. Considering they make multiple phones you'd think they'd be able to get one of them right (case in point Samsung GPS quality). And HTC has had it's shares of problematic phones as well. Since it makes multiple phone models per year, don't you think they'd be able to get a phone right?

There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons to criticize Apple. There is a good way to go about it and a bad way to go about it. Trying to justify your irrational hatred of Apple's iPhone by saying Apple only releases one model of the iPhone is just inane. In all honesty, that's probably one of the most laughable reasons to hate on the iPhone and Apple I've ever read.

I sympathize that your beloved company is so often and so vigorously assailed on Internet forums, but there's nothing to be done about it.

I neither criticize nor defend Google in general or Android specifically.

So Google gets a free pass for the same actions you criticize Apple of. You come into multiple threads that deal with Apple only and criticize Apple left and right. Everyone knows you hate Apple. You've stated in the past you were getting an Android phone. Basically Android gets a free pass from any and all of your criticisms but Apple does not. Bias.

Do not put words in my mouth. Apple is not my beloved company. I made a conscious choice of the iPhone because it suited my needs. I didn't do so out of any emotional attachment to Apple (which is silly). Android does not suit my needs. If Android was the better platform for my needs I would have chosen it. It's similar to how I assessed my needs and made the conscious choice to move to Windows 15 years ago after my first three computers were Macs. Windows suited my needs better at the time and still does. There was no love or hate in the decisions. I just chose the tools or devices that suited my needs.

Your sympathy is unwanted. First there's also nothing to sympathize with since I know I made the correct choice for my needs in choosing an iPhone. Second, you've stated more than once in the past about how you feel about Apple and users of its products. Considering that, I doubt your sympathy is sincere even if it was warranted.

I also don't go around spouting nonsense about Android (your known platform of choice) and it's open platform. In fact, in a previous post (too lazy to look up the exact one) you specifically cited Android's openness as one of the reasons why Android is better than the iPhone. Yet Google has exhibited the same behavior with their Android Marketplace that Apple does with the iTunes App store. So you go and praise Google's Android for it's openness. Then when Google bans an app (apparently for not having in-app payments because when it's all said and done the Android Marketplace is still a closed system) you suddenly say you don't go around defending Android. That's highly hypocritical of you.

 

[zsdersw]

So Apple is targeted because it has only one phone model per year and the others get a free pass because they make multiple phones? That's a laughably stupid reason to justify hating on Apple. There are plenty of hardware issues I can take up with most Android phone makers. Considering they make multiple phones you'd think they'd be able to get one of them right (case in point Samsung GPS quality). And HTC has had it's shares of problematic phones as well. Since it makes multiple phone models per year, don't you think they'd be able to get a phone right?

No one "gets it right" in the sense that there's a phone that has the complete package; that does it all for everyone. Smartphones and tablets are in their infancy, with similar issues to what PCs had in their infancy. They'll get there someday, thanks to a vibrant array of criticisms... just like PCs had in the 90s and early 2000s.

There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons to criticize Apple. There is a good way to go about it and a bad way to go about it. Trying to justify your irrational hatred of Apple's iPhone by saying Apple only releases one model of the iPhone is just inane. In all honesty, that's probably one of the most laughable reasons to hate on the iPhone and Apple I've ever read.

Apple having only one phone isn't why I don't like the iPhone, the iPad, or Apple.. it's a criticism for them not having a front camera and LED flash, for example, from the start.

So Google gets a free pass for the same actions you criticize Apple of. You come into multiple threads that deal with Apple only and criticize Apple left and right. Everyone knows you hate Apple. You've stated in the past you were getting an Android phone. Basically Android gets a free pass from any and all of your criticisms but Apple does not. Bias.

Do not put words in my mouth. Apple is not my beloved company. I made a conscious choice of the iPhone because it suited my needs. I didn't do so out of any emotional attachment to Apple (which is silly). Android does not suit my needs. If Android was the better platform for my needs I would have chosen it. It's similar to how I assessed my needs and made the conscious choice to move to Windows 15 years ago after my first three computers were Macs. Windows suited my needs better at the time and still does. There was no love or hate in the decisions. I just chose the tools or devices that suited my needs.

Your sympathy is unwanted. First there's also nothing to sympathize with since I know I made the correct choice for my needs in choosing an iPhone. Second, you've stated more than once in the past about how you feel about Apple and users of its products. Considering that, I doubt your sympathy is sincere even if it was warranted.

I also don't go around spouting nonsense about Android (your known platform of choice) and it's open platform. In fact, in a previous post (too lazy to look up the exact one) you specifically cited Android's openness as one of the reasons why Android is better than the iPhone. Yet Google has exhibited the same behavior with their Android Marketplace that Apple does with the iTunes App store. So you go and praise Google's Android for it's openness. Then when Google bans an app (apparently for not having in-app payments because when it's all said and done the Android Marketplace is still a closed system) you suddenly say you don't go around defending Android. That's highly hypocritical of you.

It's all very amusing, particularly how much all of this appears to ruffle your feathers. Thanks for the laughs.

 

[Brian Stirling]

If you watch flash anything on your phone then you need a life seriously.. Flash is so damn overrated, its a cell phone not a laptop. I'm in the minority probably but I think anything over 3.5 inches screen wise just leads to phones that are too big.

I like my phone to fit in my pocket not in a damn back pack

Over and over this whining continues about phones being too large and yet it's these very phones that are selling like hot-cakes. There will always be smaller phones with simplified UI's and minimal features and there will likely always be phones of medium size that offer more features but if you want to take full advantage of the potential that new smart phones have to offer then you're going to be looking at 4"+ screens. If that sized is too big then you may have to lower your expectations on the features you can effectively use.

And, has already been mentioned, there is still room to increase the iPhone's screen size without making the phone any larger at all. In fact, with minimal bezel area an iPhone sized phone could have a screen in the 4.3" or even larger area. What I'd like is a 5" screen in a package similar in size to the Evo and let's make if much higher resolution. In a few years with a couple more generations of mobile cpu's and larger memories/storage I see no reason we can't have screens with full HD resolution of 1920x1080 or even greater. Such a device would make it practical to do more elaborate Photoshop or AutoCAD type work and I'd want to be able to do both those things...


Brian

 

[DivideBYZero]

Over and over this whining continues about phones being too large and yet it's these very phones that are selling like hot-cakes. There will always be smaller phones with simplified UI's and minimal features and there will likely always be phones of medium size that offer more features but if you want to take full advantage of the potential that new smart phones have to offer then you're going to be looking at 4"+ screens. If that sized is too big then you may have to lower your expectations on the features you can effectively use.

And, has already been mentioned, there is still room to increase the iPhone's screen size without making the phone any larger at all. In fact, with minimal bezel area an iPhone sized phone could have a screen in the 4.3" or even larger area. What I'd like is a 5" screen in a package similar in size to the Evo and let's make if much higher resolution. In a few years with a couple more generations of mobile cpu's and larger memories/storage I see no reason we can't have screens with full HD resolution of 1920x1080 or even greater. Such a device would make it practical to do more elaborate Photoshop or AutoCAD type work and I'd want to be able to do both those things...


Brian

You've posted this before and it is seriously the most laughable thing I have ever read as a want or need for a pocketable device. The day I have to do PS or AC work on a four inch screen is the day I point a shotgun at my nads and pull the trigger, as that would be more fun.

 

[kaerflog]

You've posted this before and it is seriously the most laughable thing I have ever read as a want or need for a pocketable device. The day I have to do PS or AC work on a four inch screen is the day I point a shotgun at my nads and pull the trigger, as that would be more fun.

+1

 

[zerocool84]

You've posted this before and it is seriously the most laughable thing I have ever read as a want or need for a pocketable device. The day I have to do PS or AC work on a four inch screen is the day I point a shotgun at my nads and pull the trigger, as that would be more fun.

Hey, people can dream about whatever the hell they want. It's a retarded dream but at least people like him don't make phones.

 

[MrX8503]

The point is things like a front camera and LED flash for the rear camera are not such nebulous, heady, and complicated technologies that they couldn't have been included in the iPad or the first iPhones.

...And you have all this insider information how? You don't know what goes on inside the headquarters at Apple when it comes to R&D. How do you think Apple was able to fit the best camera with the largest sensor size in the thinnest phone to date upon release?

How do you think no one can get copy and paste right? You have no idea what goes on and its not as black and white like you make it seem to be. You complain that the iPhone doesn't have xyz when every phone is missing xyz as well. No phone is perfect, so I don't see why you expect the iPhone to include everything when other phones don't have everything either.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Who needs flash when most of the flash sites have their own iOS apps?!
I'm loyal to Apple for now ONLY because of that reason, sites like Break and Justin.tv and stuff all have their own apps, no need to go through their bloated websites.

This. Any site that I may need flash, there's an app for it. Haven't found a reason to need flash on my iPhone.

 

[zsdersw]

...And you have all this insider information how? You don't know what goes on inside the headquarters at Apple when it comes to R&D. How do you think Apple was able to fit the best camera with the largest sensor size in the thinnest phone to date upon release?

How do you think no one can get copy and paste right? You have no idea what goes on and its not as black and white like you make it seem to be. You complain that the iPhone doesn't have xyz when every phone is missing xyz as well. No phone is perfect, so I don't see why you expect the iPhone to include everything when other phones don't have everything either.

It's not insider information, it's common sense. What exactly is so complicated about a front camera and an LED flash? I expect a company that produces only one phone or one tablet to make it the most feature-complete. Things like a front camera and LED flash should not take until the 4th version of the phone and the 2nd version of the tablet to arrive.

Of course no phone is perfect, but when your company only has one phone it's probably best to make it as close to perfect as you can. Part of perfection is including all of the features people want or will want.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Somewhat unrelated, but still on the general topic of Apple and their improvements:

Case in point, the iPad.. took them until version 2.0 to include a front camera, or until the iPhone 4 to add an LED flash to the camera.

"Here's your brand-new, greatest-thing-since-sliced-bread Apple product... but we're withholding some features for the next version so you'll have to buy it."

And nobody had a usable popular tablet til the iPad. Too bad, none of these other companies can come out with a better product before Apple.

Win7 phones come out 4 years after the 1st iPhone without copy/paste, nobody gives them shit about that but Apple still gets shit for it.

People also give Apple shit for how expensive the iPad is but ignore the fact that competent iPad competitors cost even more.

 

[zsdersw]

And nobody had a usable popular tablet til the iPad. Too bad, none of these other companies can come out with a better product before Apple.

Yup, no one got the mix just right.

Win7 phones come out 4 years after the 1st iPhone without copy/paste, nobody gives them shit about that but Apple still gets shit for it.

Plenty of people gave them shit about it.