Rumour: Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II.

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dma0991

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It would only sell dma If it was priced at the same price points as their current line up while outperforming it.
If it is priced almost similar to the Core i7 2600K, I think that would already be a good selling point. I don't expect it to be priced similar to the SB-E because if it did then I would consider that it has dropped in price/performance.

Based on the pricing chart that was shown a while ago before Llano came out, BD is priced at $320 which I think should be pretty close to what we can expect of the retail version should cost. The A8-3550P is stated to cost $150 but currently Newegg is selling it for $140 which is pretty close. If BD were to be priced $320 +- $10 IMHO it should be good enough when it comes to price/performance.
 

bridito

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So stop crying fanboi and talk about the figures! We are here to discuss the details not declare a conspiracy.

May I respectfully suggest a Valium? :D I have repeatedly stated on this forum that I am open to buying either BD or SB-E in my next system so I'm a fanboi of what exactly? Am I discriminating against ARM? :) There can't be a conspiracy about details of benchmarks for any CPU by any manufacturer which are not:

1) Verified
2) Verifiable
3) Duplicated
4) Duplicatable

That is precisely the situation right now with BD as well as any future Intel processor. So exactly what are you talking about?

You wouldn't want to release a product that can't even beat your competitor in at least a single test. If it doesn't outperform your competition in any test at all then it is back to the drawing board which is what the latest stepping is all about.

I don't have to be a sales person to tell you that. A product that doesn't compete in anything at all won't sell obviously. So when it comes to BD, I am looking forward that it kicks ass in multi threaded applications but not so in single threaded. If BD were to suck at both MT and ST, then there is no point of selling it.

The "there is no point in selling it" may be behind the delay (pure speculation on my part). My point with Schmide applies across the board. There are no benchys. That's it. No point discussing what's the best selling cereal for the breakfast tables of the humanoids on Gliese 581 c since we don't even know if there is bacteria let alone humanoids there. Similarly there's no point discussing illusory benchies.

It would only sell dma If it was priced at the same price points as their current line up while outperforming it.

But even then it would be a useless product at best it would currently just close the performance gap at the same price point which it seems amd is good at with their higher end products.

Personally and speaking only for myself I only have interest in BD if it can across the board soundly beat 2600K in the real world (Photoshop) use I need it for. If it's going to compete with 2400s and save me ten bucks, I couldn't give a good damn. :)
 

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Love the vaporware threads,it just brings out the best in everyone:)

While it wont be vaporware for long,till we see official finished es chips we could all hope and wish all day long.

Sure do hope 50% is true or thus far this has been 117 pages of nothing.

Me i just hope it can outperform my 2500k while using less energy then i'm sold.
 

Schmide

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May I respectfully suggest a Valium? :D I have repeatedly stated on this forum that I am open to buying either BD or SB-E in my next system so I'm a fanboi of what exactly? Am I discriminating against ARM? :) There can't be a conspiracy about details of benchmarks for any CPU by any manufacturer which are not:

1) Verified
2) Verifiable
3) Duplicated
4) Duplicatable

That is precisely the situation right now with BD as well as any future Intel processor. So exactly what are you talking about?

I made a comment on some of the specs from the link. You went off on a rant about fanbois benches and other conspiracy theories...and you ask me to take a Valium. DUDE??? You pulled a Mayan calendar 2012 so...???

The "there is no point in selling it" may be behind the delay (pure speculation on my part). My point with Schmide applies across the board.

WTH you should have no point with me??? Trace back your prose and draw a better conclusion with a better villain.

There are no benchys. That's it. No point discussing what's the best selling cereal for the breakfast tables of the humanoids on Gliese 581 c since we don't even know if there is bacteria let alone humanoids there. Similarly there's no point discussing illusory benchies.

There are benches. To what validity they garner is what we should be discussing.
 
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bridito

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Love the vaporware threads,it just brings out the best in everyone:)

While it wont be vaporware for long,till we see official finished es chips we could all hope and wish all day long.

Sure do hope 50% is true or thus far this has been 117 pages of nothing.

Me i just hope it can outperform my 2500k while using less energy then i'm sold.

Yeah, this has been 117 pages of nothing. Fully agreed. Vaporware at least has vapor. IMHO: Everything that's out on BD performance so far is a complete vacuum.

As for Schmide, it's obvious that you had both your sense of humor and sarcasm surgically removed and/or your browser does not display emoticons. No rant/offense intended. Therefore, I wish you nothing but the best and hope you are having a very enjoyable summer weekend! :)
 

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As for Schmide, it's obvious that you had both your sense of humor and sarcasm surgically removed and/or your browser does not display emoticons. No rant/offense intended. Therefore, I wish you nothing but the best and hope you are having a very enjoyable summer weekend! :)

Even if you put an emoticon on a comment, the words have the same meaning.

I find it sad that you can't look back at how this transpired and must instead insult my humor and character.
 

bridito

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Even if you put an emoticon on a comment, the words have the same meaning.

I find it sad that you can't look back at how this transpired and must instead insult my humor and character.

Dear Schmide: I'm wondering if you can properly interpret what I'm writing. I stated once and will restate again.

NO RANT/OFFENSE INTENDED.

No insult, no derogatory, no nothing. So, if you cannot see that, recognize it as what is is, and understand that I did not mean to offend you or anyone, I don't know what else I can say or do. No offense was intended and thus if there was one in anyone's perception other than mine, I apologize. Do you want me to send you a box of heart shaped chocolates with an apology? :)
 

Schmide

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Dear Schmide: I'm wondering if you can properly interpret what I'm writing. I stated once and will restate again.

NO RANT/OFFENSE INTENDED.

No insult, no derogatory, no nothing. So, if you cannot see that, recognize it as what is is, and understand that I did not mean to offend you or anyone, I don't know what else I can say or do. No offense was intended and thus if there was one in anyone's perception other than mine, I apologize. Do you want me to send you a box of heart shaped chocolates with an apology? :)

Such a veiled apology and you wonder if I can't understand humor and sarcasm.

The only thing you can do is be cool. Respect people and quit with the over the top hyperbole. Your long winded fake apology just comes off as disingenuous.

If you want to return to my original comment on the L2 speeds and what it means, that would be more genuine than a box of chocolates.
 

bridito

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Skipsneeky2: I love Benny Hill! Actually I look a lot like him! :D

Such a veiled apology and you wonder if I can't understand humor and sarcasm.

The only thing you can do is be cool. Respect people and quit with the over the top hyperbole. Your long winded fake apology just comes off as disingenuous.

If you want to return to my original comment on the L2 speeds and what it means, that would be more genuine than a box of chocolates.

Eek. You really don't want to kiss and make up do ya? OK, then... turning on the air conditioning so that I can be cool and on to the L2. :D

Here is my full and formal opinion:

There is no L2 speed. There is no benchmark. This is all illusion.

IMHO and that means in my HUMBLE opinion I can post on some site that I've got the cure for cancer. However I'm going to black out all the evidence which will allow someone else to verify my claims, duplicate my results, or in any way determine that what I'm saying is the truth rather than an LSD fuelled fantasy. What I've got is exactly what every single BD benchmark claimer has: A mitt full of nuthin'.

Please note: :)
 

Schmide

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Eek. You really don't want to kiss and make up do ya? OK, then... turning on the air conditioning so that I can be cool and on to the L2. :D

Honestly do you really think this is being cool?

Here is my full and formal opinion:

There is no L2 speed.

It is there, you just wish to muddy what I was pointing out. The fact that there is write speeds greater than read speeds means something is wrong.

There is no benchmark.

This is all illusion.

You can discredit it, look for flaws, but you can't just declare it non-existent. Descartes?

IMHO and that means in my HUMBLE opinion I can post on some site that I've got the cure for cancer. However I'm going to black out all the evidence which will allow someone else to verify my claims, duplicate my results, or in any way determine that what I'm saying is the truth rather than an LSD fuelled fantasy. What I've got is exactly what every single BD benchmark claimer has: A mitt full of nuthin'.

Please note: :)

Please note: Hyperbole.

You obviously don't wish to entertain the subject I was wishing to bring forth. You don't take it seriously so I wish that you would avoid further attempts to discredit it.

Thank you.
 

bridito

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Honestly do you really think this is being cool?



It is there, you just wish to muddy what I was pointing out. The fact that there is write speeds greater than read speeds means something is wrong.



You can discredit it, look for flaws, but you can't just declare it non-existent. Descartes?



Please note: Hyperbole.

You obviously don't wish to entertain the subject I was wishing to bring forth. You don't take it seriously so I wish that you would avoid further attempts to discredit it.

Thank you.

I'm taking it very seriously. If it can't be verified or duplicated it belongs in a church, not a CPU benchmark. That is my extremely profoundly and modestly HUMBLE OPINION. :)
 

Schmide

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I'm taking it very seriously. If it can't be verified or duplicated it belongs in a church, not a CPU benchmark. That is my extremely profoundly and modestly HUMBLE OPINION. :)

It is a CPU benchmark, just not official or verified. (semantics > emoticon) I chose to take it for what it is rather than stick ones head in the sand and declare it illusionary. If you're sole purpose is to ignore, you might as well ignore the thread altogether.
 

bridito

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It is a CPU benchmark, just not official or verified. (semantics > emoticon) I chose to take it for what it is rather than stick ones head in the sand and declare it illusionary. If you're sole purpose is to ignore, you might as well ignore the thread altogether.

I will ignore all benchmarks which are not verifiable. You are free to believe whatever you want and I should be extended the same courtesy. I am very interested in the possibility of a BD benchmark surfacing which is verifiable, therefore I plan to keep following this thread in the hope that some real and accurate indicator of BD performance will be found somewhere since it has not (IMHO) been found to date. I hope that's ok with you! :)
 

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Huh? The fact that you can find a factor that can explain the performance gives it some credibility. Why would you fake crappy performance???

Do you really mean engineers at AMD would overlook horrid l2 performance in a retail CPU?
 

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Do you really mean engineers at AMD would overlook horrid l2 performance in a retail CPU?

No but considering the L2 is shared and probably one of the more complicated parts of the module, I can see how things could go wrong in early versions of the chip.
 

grimpr

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Not bad x264 performance from a prerelease chip.

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci...ldozer-FX-islemcisi-icin-test-sonuclari_7.htm

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podspi

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The L2 caches are definitely not operating correctly. Not as bad as the earlier L2 samples (which, IIRC, couldn't be directly written to) though.

Hopefully Anand or someone else will be able to shed some light (after the launch, of course) on how much of these gimped ES were intentional, and how much were issues they were just working out.

I actually think the performance on these ES are pretty impressive, given the gimped cache. Those cores are useless if they're starving :D
 

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That Gigabyte board they are using is notorious for its poor bios. Wont be long for a B2, if it exists, chip and on a retail bios Crosshair V.
 

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Okay, here's a Google translated version of what OBR had to say about those results (the DonanimHaber ones)

from OBR said:
Did a tour de force, I tricked Stach and made ​​him an absolute idiot. Know very well where are the numbers that published the Turks:) PS. Finally, Stach cock is done alone, and twice, my first published tests were in fact much better than those published as Turks:) PS. Even if the numbers were right BTA, so they Bulldozer long not slaughter Core i7-2600 km, perhaps only in two tests of several ... quite the contrary elsewhere lose .. Here's blitku Analysis: After a series of notorious and highly questionable "beaver-tests", which unfortunately makes the Czech IT scandal around the world notorious manipulator and storyteller of some Czech magazine, the internet finally emerged proper tests indeed functional sample of the new AMD processor. Infamy This means that the Czech Republic speaks for 14 everywhere. Even I contacted three companies offering hardware tests and overclocking, and AMD that they do not mind and are happy for advertising. These tests are really proper proper ... Believe it! :) Many will recall that I warned you to believe different tests that are either fabricated or made ​​on processors that do not work correctly and so on. Unfortunately, some delusions similar to spread farther and added his own reasons for AMD's 32nm AMD issue resides. Anyone who knows the real power of the new AMD processors, so he knows that no performance problem do not have a delay issue is unpleasant, but has a very rational reason. However, AMD to prevent further spread of misinformation and rubbish, so, of course, happen;), got a fully functional sample magazine into the hands of trusted DonanimHaber. He probably got permission from AMD show some actual numbers, what really competitive against the new processor i7-2600 km, but also a Core i7-990X, it can. First functional sample ever got in your hand 'trusted' magazine:). And even this magazine did not get permission from AMD, do not worry about it. Everything is otherwise tricked and Stach is an interesting quirk. Hehe, that he breaks his neck and we'll laugh even in September. But always keep in mind that this is not a final product and especially the support of the motherboard is not quite 100% but it is early tunes. Even so, however, are the results of this processor at 3.2 GHz only, very solid. Hehe, again Stach did not even know they have the turbo and the CPU at 3.2 GHz running basically never. On the other hand, if you have left "obrbnout" so, you are no surprise. Surely you remember how I told you several months ago, said that the performance of the new AMD processors do not have to worry about and certainly will not be disappointed. I said that in certain areas Bulldozer is indeed a remarkable performance in other areas it is worse, but overall has it that one of the top models sought for the position of most powerful processor on the market, even against the Core i7-9xx processors, although only just because it has the advantage three channel memory controller. If you let OBRBNOUT well you did, because he knows Stach again as always shit. He promised us that, and not us - children. But nothing in the end the truth is and will always like indeed. Stach just jealous that he never had before, not where it should and then weeps and fumes:). However, the main competition Bulldozer AMD FX-8xxx processors are Core i5/7-2000 the LGA 1155th And in many tests can the new AMD FX-8130P (3.2 GHz), which is directed directly against the Core i7-2600 km (3.4 GHz), to defeat this competitive model! And we are not here long, AMD was able to compete with Intel, much less defeat, the same or even lower rate! And once again remind that both processors are 32nm both faces as 8 cores only to those eight cores each party receives otherwise. AMD is going the way of modules that contain actually a +075 cores, and Intel does 4 cores and 2 threads for each of them. But it's really very balanced fight. So it except in a dream, I can not wait until it bursts. What we then Stach will say this already neokecá. I saved this article. If you've come to the great overclocking AMD processors and the 32nm Bulldozer will not be disappointed and can easily be mastered frequency around 5GHz and above. In addition to OC AMD processors and their platform does not lock. The new processor is obviously a very sophisticated and TURBO-saving features. There are many new instructions, including modern AES, which AMD still lacking in some applications, it is much to know, but it also has a new "AMD x128" - 128bit processing. The processors are naturally tuned for use with AMD 9xx plates with AM3 + socket, but go be fitted into some of AMD 8xx boards, but not all, which is one of the things that works! only in the world who showed Clock Bulldozer me. Where is Johnny draws? From me, fairy-tales ... :) Regarding the issue processors, so the delay is certainly unpleasant, just because it is an excellent competition to Intel's Sandy Bridge processors, but the reason for the delay is reasonable. AMD is not much like when it airs on the other hand, I personally see nothing wrong when he frankly says that the problem is production. The fact that the 32nm AMD barely begun, it is tuned quite well, but still you have noticed that even the new A8, A6 Llano processors are not exactly perfect, because despite the relatively low frequency of the fundamental tensions have terribly high. Llano are quite mastered architecture best Athlon II processors, but AMD Bulldozer is a completely new thing. So the first review of AMD's Bulldozer just can not produce a fully functional form in such numbers (ie, with a yield), to be worth it to start selling. AMD really needs to achieve a high yield. While competing Intel can afford to yield to be 60%, because the factory only has 4 to 32nm chips, AMD has one factory and it will also be partly re-engineering and the production is still split between Llano and Bulldozer chips. And because Llano is crucial product that goes contrary to this Bulldozer into mobile platforms, which account for 70% of sales PC desktop and even on the majority, it is clear that Llano is just preference. So before AMD produced with 80% yield Llano and only need 60% of Bulldozer (those numbers are just an example), they simply prefer to fine-tune production and production Llano Bulldozer. That's the whole problem of delay release. But it's an old familiar ache AMD simply manufacturing capabilities and resources are not Intel not equal, so it must deal with similar things that Intel does not have to deal with. absolute lie, 32nm production at AMD is an absolute tragedy. The yield is only a few percent for Llano, much less for BD. Tension is very high, consumption is brutal. Anyway, the term is currently issuing new processors either end of August (this is the earliest possible date), or during September, when the way is likely to emerge as a decent first of the new Radeon HD 7000 graphics. As I wrote earlier, the performance of the new AMD processors will not be disappointed, of course, if you do not expect a 50% higher power: D. We're just disappointed those delays, which of course Intel's records, which incidentally is in the backup faster i5 / 7 models, which will be the new models to compete with AMD. And the price is decent fight, but a performance from AMD Bulldozer looks after all stronger than the processor in Sandy Bridge LGA1155, though Intel did not bother. hehe, it will be disappointing to come out true.
from http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/


As I wrote earlier, the performance of the new AMD processors will not be disappointed, of course, if you do not expect a 50% higher power: D.

Made me LOL at this thread
 
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grimpr

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Where are the benchmarks?, thats OBRs ego again and again and again...somebody send him and SB-E platform and and 8core chip to shut him up for good.
 
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