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Rumour: Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II.

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Edgy said:
I dare say Dirk got his priorities correct, the board is full of idiots looking for headlines such as "AMD in tablet/smartphone" for short-term stock boost.
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Martimus got was I was trying (failing) to communicate.

My point isn't to debate whether or not bulldozer is aimed squarely at server markets, my point was that the company itself appears to be intentionally directing itself away from that being their bread and butter.

And I agree, getting rid of Dirk is just ridiculous on so many levels if you've closely followed DEC, Dirk, and AMD at the technological level since the early nineties.

That they did to Dirk what needed to have been done to Hector is just appalling...or maybe not. We haven't seen Llano, we haven't seen Bulldozer, and we haven't seen whatever Dirk planned for AMD in 2012, 2013, 2014. Maybe things really were about to suck big-time and even a BoD that let Hector run the show for years could not stand idly by letting Dirk do whatever it is that he did and we have yet to realize.
 
HW2050Plus said:
It is not so good to use 32 Bit operations in 64 Bit code since that might cause false dependencies, though you spread the operations widly over registers.
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The mixture of operation lengths was because I aligned instructions in groups of 4 to the 32-byte blocks. As there is always a delay clock between two uses of registers, dependencies, false or otherwise, shouldn't matter.

Changed to 64 Bit only, no false dependencies, I also changed the immediate operations to register operations to not run into decoding issues by larger immediate values.
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AMD processors have always been able to decode "enough" immediates, because the decoders are symmetric.
 
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I can't even stand to think how long the BOD allowed Ruinz to lead the way. He did absolutely NOTHING positive for the company. I can't stand that guy as a company leader. How in the world did the BOD allow ruin to hold the raines for so long and then just barely allowing Dirk who actually did quite well with the resources AMD had. Ruinz did nothing but benefit from the previous CEO and thats it. (Athlon 64 x2 product). Which was already designed before he came into the picture. So stop talking about AMD CEO's. :thumbsdown:
 
SocketF said:
Uhm, you sure know that B0 is newer than A1 ?
Hope you will get B1.
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yes some confusion b1 is the correct stepping. bios for board is now inhouse🙂
waitng for cpus. was told not to post some benches or clockspeeds.()🙂 I have an authority issue. I have a few i want to run.
 
purefun1965 said:
yes some confusion b1 is the correct stepping. bios for board is now inhouse🙂
waitng for cpus. was told not to post some benches or clockspeeds.()🙂 I have an authority issue. I have a few i want to run.
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Well then try at least Native Specialist (AMD CPU Identification), available here:
http://cbid.softnology.biz/

And remove the clock information with paint/photoshop.
Maybe that program is a bit better than CPU-Z.

Alternatively, try HWinfo32:
http://www.hwinfo.com/download32.html

The latest beta has some kind of Bulldozer support:
Improved support of AMD Bulldozer.
 
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ok got of the phone with my coworker who just flashed the board with a new bios. he is scratching his head. changed some things. power states and clock speed are different. he thinks module are turning on and of due to load. I said wait until the new cpus come could be crippled with engineering sample.
 
Phynaz said:
You registered five years ago and just made your first two posts?

Is that a record?
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He should SO win a prize, it really is an achievement in itself, we few are the lucky ones to have bare witness to such an accomplishment

^__^ He probably made the accout back then looking for a new design from AMD ... Five years later he now has something to post about BAHAHAHA
 
drizek said:
And so how is Intel any better?
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Intel can force their way in, by making tiny low-power Atoms, while everyone else is stuck on larger processes w/o finfets. When everybody else catches up, they will be another one or two nodes ahead, again being able to make something smaller than everybody else.

Now, their chances of actually succeeding, in terms of getting people to like products made with their chips over the competition's...that's another matter, and it will at least be interesting to see how Intel intends to pull it off. Will Intel open their fab to 3rd parties? Will they design 20 different SoCs, using licensed tech? Will ARM be able to live up to their hype, regarding near-future CPU performance? Will Windows 8 really be on ARM (edit: with basically the same experience as on x86), such that clean C++ can just be recompiled, and .NET just run? Intel has better chances than AMD, but they've got their work cut out for them.
 
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drizek said:
Windows 8 has already been demoed on ARM.
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That's not exactly what I mean (edited). A new Windows on ARM won't be Windows CE (rejoice!). But, how well will it compare to the x86 version? There isn't enough information to really know. In fact, there likely won't be enough to know until 6-12 months after it has been out, since 3rd-party software so defines the Windows world. Real Windows on ARM has promise, but is also quite a wildcard, as far as having comparable x86 and ARM hardware are concerned.


Oh, er, um...uh...Bulldozer's gonna rock! ()🙂:whiste:
 
purefun1965 said:
i am bringing a gpu to work to run vantage. i dont know if nvidia has drivers that work with 2008r2.
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It should work. Half a year ago, I bought an ATi card and found out that AMD canceled Win2008 Support with some later versions of Catalyst 10.x. Checked then nvidia - no OS limitation.

I hope it is still the same, if not, try some old drivers ~6months back.
 
Tuna-Fish said:
The mixture of operation lengths was because I aligned instructions in groups of 4 to the 32-byte blocks. As there is always a delay clock between two uses of registers, dependencies, false or otherwise, shouldn't matter.
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Maybe it does not matter, but false dependencies prevent scheduler from pulling instructions ahead. If there is no false dependency it can pull them ahead using shadow registers. The problem is if the BD does not work exactly as you expect but it could do more ops/cycle you might have difficulties to observe this with that test. Especially as the starting point of the sequence maybe shifted (the alignment won't do that alone, it is just for keeping fetch and I-cache fine).

Tuna-Fish said:
AMD processors have always been able to decode "enough" immediates, because the decoders are symmetric.
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I was not to clear in this point, it is to reduce code length to ensure more code is in the decode windows. It's not about ability to decode immediates that is right.
 
Idontcare said:
Martimus got was I was trying (failing) to communicate.

My point isn't to debate whether or not bulldozer is aimed squarely at server markets, my point was that the company itself appears to be intentionally directing itself away from that being their bread and butter.

And I agree, getting rid of Dirk is just ridiculous on so many levels if you've closely followed DEC, Dirk, and AMD at the technological level since the early nineties.

That they did to Dirk what needed to have been done to Hector is just appalling...or maybe not. We haven't seen Llano, we haven't seen Bulldozer, and we haven't seen whatever Dirk planned for AMD in 2012, 2013, 2014. Maybe things really were about to suck big-time and even a BoD that let Hector run the show for years could not stand idly by letting Dirk do whatever it is that he did and we have yet to realize.
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I think much more likely is siimply that hector was very good at the politics of the position and told them what they wanted to hear, while Dirk was more concerned about results and maybe told them about all their problems. Another distict possibility is simply that dirk is a much better engineer than President, and that hector...uh, well, hector sucks at everything.
 
Ajay said:
Not until Bulldozer is released, and even then there maybe be a couple of thread arcs that continue for a bit. Plus, in a year from now, someone who is out of the loop will post here...
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The funny thing is that after 1900 posts in this thread I don't really know anymore about Bulldozer than I did before the thread started. I really wasted probably days of my life reading through all this speculation. I think I should make a change on how I spend my time 🙁
 
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