Rumour: Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II.

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KingstonU

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How accurate of a picture of Bulldozer's performance are AMD's engineers aware of today?

If BD is set to be officially released with full benchmark reviews, sku's and prices in early summer (~June) that is 4 months away. What stage is BD production at? Final silicon being packed into boxes ready for shipment? Or is testing and tweaking still being done? Is what AMD looking at right now going to change at all by launch time?

I think it was Nehelem 32nm that Intel showed to the public successfully bootting into Windows like 9 months before launch. We haven't seen anything like that from AMD, though I guess they don't disclose those kinds of things like Intel does.
 

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I think it was Nehelem 32nm that Intel showed to the public successfully bootting into Windows like 9 months before launch. We haven't seen anything like that from AMD, though I guess they don't disclose those kinds of things like Intel does.

AMD actually demoed BD playing a 1080P video on Nov of 2010.. that is about 7-8 months of window.
 

Phynaz

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It certainly doesn't instill a great amount of confidence... I am of the mind that they are getting ready for a sale and Meyer wasn't cooperating.

Sale to who? AMD is publicly held. Do you mean they intend to take the company private?
 

maddie

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Thuban would have been killer if Amd actually had a decent IPC. Thats why bulldozer doesn't impress me at all. Yeah 8 cores are sweet but the IPC is still putrid if the 12% improvement over Thuban is accurate.
You do realize don't you, that stressing IPC as the sole relevant factor affecting throughput sounds rather ignorant?
 

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Most people who complain about PII performance is nothing more than bench babes. PII can do everything I7 can do, just not as fast. And as someone said earlier. most things you would not even be able to tell a difference. Blah
 

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Sale to who? AMD is publicly held. Do you mean they intend to take the company private?


Yes. The firm gets bought out and taken private. Granted, it seems unlikely since the two potential buyers I've heard of are ATIC and Oracle, and ATIC I doubt could get approval (though I think it would be great for AMD) and I just don't want to believe Oracle could buy AMD (if you think AMD doesn't focus on mobile now...)
 

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Lets say, like the new Internet Explore 9 RC; :biggrin:

http://www.beautyoftheweb.com/#/highlights/all-around-fast
Ok so you missed the basic reading comprehension test right there. If you don't use the CPU since the performance intense stuff is handled by the GPU then obviously an AMD CPU will be just as good as the Intel CPU. But then you wouldn't need any new CPU at all and hey that wasn't even what we were talking about..
 
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Ajay

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How accurate of a picture of Bulldozer's performance are AMD's engineers aware of today?

We have no idea really, though AMD has some confidence since they narrowed 1H11 down to 2Q11. So long as no show stopper bugs appear, I'd imagine they are just dialing in the process parameters - or they could be ramping up now if they like where they are at in terms of performance and yields.
 

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We have no idea really, though AMD has some confidence since they narrowed 1H11 down to 2Q11.
They narrowing Q1-Q2 to Q2 2011 and shows confidence? ;) But yeah I don't think we'll have delays there, but then it's not as if they could fix much in the last few months even if performance wasn't what they wanted
 

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its belittleing and makeing a joke at anothers expense.... if you where just correcting him, you could have done so, and presented some factual evidence, instead you just made fun of a person and told him hes wrong because you said so.

We should all be nicer to one another, no reason not too on a forum.

I knew I had forgot to put someone on ignore...thanks for reminding me.


You are trolling in the AMD bulldozer thread. You have been asked to stop.
You are trolling, name calling, antagonizing the members who are having a peaceful discussion.

You've had enough warnings here.

You're off for a week of hard ban.


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Skurge

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I knew I had forgot to put someone on ignore...thanks for reminding me.

How about you shut up about who you put on ignore, no one cares. Leave the thread if all you can add is nonsense like this.

OT: I have seen some AM3 mobos with "AM3+ CPU ready" or "supported" printed on the PCB. Anyone have any insight into those and what features you might be missing if you use a BD cpu in that instead of an AM3+ mobo?
 

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OT: I have seen some AM3 mobos with "AM3+ CPU ready" or "supported" printed on the PCB. Anyone have any insight into those and what features you might be missing if you use a BD cpu in that instead of an AM3+ mobo?

Nothing special; they have already done this in the past to ensure that the new CPU can be plugged inside (via BIOS flash).
Of course you don't get the benefits of the new boards or full features; you have only the option to stick inside the new CPU and you're left saddled with a fossil-grade motherboard. No real fun here. :rolleyes:
 

drizek

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9xx doesn't really offer anything that isn't in 8xx.

Also, I've never seen an AM3+ motherboard, can you give an example?
 

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The P67 chipset has 2 SATA 3.0 ports
The 890FX chipset has 6 SATA 3.0 Ports
The P67 chipset has 8 PCIe 2.0 lanes
The 890FX chipset has 44 PCIe 2.0 lanes

USB ports are the same between the two.

P67 features:http://www.anandtech.com/show/4080
890FX features:http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-1055t-reviewed/4

What gets to me is that the AMD chipset has more features, but the intel chipset is more expensive. In fact it is much more expensive, which is the biggest reason I didn't buy a SB computer before the bug. The bug is forcing me to wait even longer, although I am chomping on the bit a little to upgrade. I still want the additional performance of the SB processors, but I don't want to have to eat the lower features of the board, especially at higher prices.

How many SATA 6 ports do you really need, though? Many midrange P67 boards offer 6 SATA 6 ports via a secondary Marvell chip.

The P67 chipset has 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes, btw. Most midrange P67 boards support SLI/Crossfire via NF200.


Not everything is rosy on the AMD side, either. Once BD comes out, the chances of AMD boards supporting SLI are pretty small, so be prepared for that.
 

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The MSI 890FXA-GD65 has AM3+ CPU ready printed above the SB HS.

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An AM3+ AMD 990FX MSI was spotted, it's called "MSI Big Bang Conqueror". Quite a name.

Nothing special; they have already done this in the past to ensure that the new CPU can be plugged inside (via BIOS flash).
Of course you don't get the benefits of the new boards or full features; you have only the option to stick inside the new CPU and you're left saddled with a fossil-grade motherboard. No real fun here. :rolleyes:

If a 890FX mobo is fossil-grade then what's the newer the Sandy Bridge? Making of the Earth-grade? AMD is way ahead in what regards the chipsets.
 

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So this evening I called MSI tech support and I first spoke to a guy who couldn't give me an answer. So I asked to speak to a senior tech support agent and this is what I asked him " I recently purchased the MSI 890FXA-GD65 AM3 AMD and under the chip set it says AM3+ CPU Support so does this mean it will support the upcoming Bulldozer CPU?" Senior techs response " Sir we will release a new BIOS update when the new Bulldozer CPU is released for this motherboard" my response " So this mobo is Bulldozer ready?" Techs response "Yes , once you update the new BIOS it will support the new AMD Bulldozer" my response " So the AM3+ on this mobo means its Bulldozer ready?" techs response "Yes sir that's what the AM3+ means"

From the MSI forums.
 
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My hopes for BD:
Launch desktop speed 3.7ghz + to 4.3ghz high end...frequencies before turbo.
Or maybe...
3.5ghz clock to 4.25ghz single thread Turbo and high end 4ghz clock 4.75ghz turbo single thread.

OC ability: 5ghz+ air cooling, decent voltage. before turbo, actually turbo disabled.
OC ability under extreme cooling with matured process: hopefully 10ghz barrier broken!!!!

If the chart I posted holds true at all and is the 8core cpu at stock clocks...AMD is going to freaking OWN! thats an 8core against intel's 6core assume HT enabled.

Thats 1750 points per core for 980x
2125 per core for BD
2325 per core for SB

given clocks are unknown...yeah thats something else
But that puts it line with all speculation up to this point, faster than nehalem per core, slower than SB per core and much faster than thuban.

Take away HT on intel in those graphs and probably lose another 10-20%....
AMD YOU FREAKIN OWN IF THIS GRAPH IS ANYWHERE NEAR REAL lol!

If AMD holds overclocking value high like they do with their current products....then enthusiasts are gonna have some fun!
1. This is a synthetic benchmark, therefore delta results will be somewhat higher than the delta in real applications, because real applications aren't developed as good as synthetic benchmarks. So you would get such deltas only if you have very good software which is almost never the case. Means if these Passmarks numbers are real the difference in actual applications/other benchmarks will be somewhat lower.

2. These are not official results and this source looks really very fishy (especially the hosting web site).

3. There are no conditions given regarding this Benchmark. However the numbers for the other CPUs are correct but nobody knows if they are correct for Bulldozer and which Bulldozer under what condition is meant. Sorry but any leak should at least state the specs of the CPU (e.g. clock, model number, cores).

4. Anyway regarding the architecture those results could be possible, but this would be the upper limit and that would indicate a really high clock, maybe it's +5 GHz (+4.5 GHz base + 0.5 GHz from TURBO). But as those results can't be trusted because of the fishy source it is not worth to speculate on that. Though it is possible that this number is correct for a 8 core BD without OC, this does not help us, because the range of results in this benchmark you could call reasonable is somewhat large, esp. as we have only educated guess on initial clock (4.5 GHz) but this could also vary.

5. Regarding clocks I will expect high end 4.5 GHz Bulldozer parts without overclocking and without turbo mode (assuming the process runs well, otherwise we will see those clocks after some time of ramping up the process). Despite that I do not believe that 10 GHz will be ever reached with overclocking and it is possible that it will clock very high but does not overclock well (which has reasons in semiconductor specifics). Since we do not know too much about the actual CPU we should not speculate on OC potential.

6. We have a leaked statement which can be trusted more and that was the source of this thread. We should take this 50% faster than Core i7 and Phenom II and ignore the other for now.

7. As I said before from the BD architecture we can certainly expect that Bulldozer 8C will at average (set of benchmarks) perform better than a 4C Sandy Bridge. By how much and how this splits into specific single benchmark results we will have to wait likely another 3-4 month.
 

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If a 890FX mobo is fossil-grade then what's the newer the Sandy Bridge? Making of the Earth-grade? AMD is way ahead in what regards the chipsets.

Intel? More on lines of "recycling" till the LGA2011 socket; yes, Earth friendly.
Well AMD is green, Intel is blue. Very environmental colours, actually. :D
 

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The MSI 890FXA-GD65 has AM3+ CPU ready printed above the SB HS.

pMWh0.jpg


An AM3+ AMD 990FX MSI was spotted, it's called "MSI Big Bang Conqueror". Quite a name.



If a 890FX mobo is fossil-grade then what's the newer the Sandy Bridge? Making of the Earth-grade? AMD is way ahead in what regards the chipsets.

So is that 890FXA actually BD ready? IF it is I would buy it to unlock my PII X3 since right now I have an SB700 board.
 

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I wonder if the names for these PC products really sell more product, of if the marketing and sales folks just light up the bong and smoke some while thinking of new names and laughing their @sses off:

The AMD Radeon 6970 Super G-Spot Sniper Max 10000G Super Overclocked Camo Stealth Raider Mega F*cker You're A Bad@ss Ultra Overclocked C-4 AMRAAM Sidewinder Death Blow Jenna Jameson Edition V1.0

Seriously...can't they just come up with a realistic name like 990GX or something and call it a day?

Chuck
 

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I think Big Bang Conqueror is so over the top that I might actually end up buying one.
 

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1. This is a synthetic benchmark, therefore delta results will be somewhat higher than the delta in real applications, because real applications aren't developed as good as synthetic benchmarks. So you would get such deltas only if you have very good software which is almost never the case. Means if these Passmarks numbers are real the difference in actual applications/other benchmarks will be somewhat lower.

I don't understand your reasoning. Why would the synthetic benchmark not affect various cpu in a similar manner? Thus the comparison between them should be valid.

Only if the benchmark was optimized for a particular design could you say the delta would change.

You are not using that argument.
 
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