[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[Dave2150]

You do realize that RTX 2070 is for almost a year longer on the market that RX 5700 XT is?

It seems you ignored the part of my post that mentioned the 2070S (s=super, not sure how much clearer I can make this). 5700 series and 2070S both launched in July. 2070S has already massively outsold the 5700, and will continue to do so over time.

 

[Dave2150]

Name calling? Well done.

Just facts. Anyone who suggests that the x5700 series outsell the rtx series is not thinking logically, they are motivated by favouritism or have financial interests (stocks etc) in said company.

AMD still has the stigma of buggy drivers. They did improve this in the last few years, though the 5700 drivers have been a return to the past, very buggy and widespread instability issues that are well documented. The 2020 driver update further increased the instability.

 

[Veradun]

Just facts. Anyone who suggests that the x5700 series outsell the rtx series is not thinking logically, they are motivated by favouritism or have financial interests (stocks etc) in said company.

AMD still has the stigma of buggy drivers. They did improve this in the last few years, though the 5700 drivers have been a return to the past, very buggy and widespread instability issues that are well documented. The 2020 driver update further increased the instability.

Lol, where did I say it outsells anything? I'm just highlighting the fallacy of your posts.

 

[nurturedhate]

Bears and picnic baskets people...

 

[VirtualLarry]

You guys think an RX 5700 or GTX 1660 ti is individually bad, try putting them both in one PC.

 

[Glo.]

5700 series and 2070S both launched in July. 2070S has already massively outsold the 5700, and will continue to do so over time.

There is a word for this. Starts with "B", has "S" in the middle and ends with "T".

RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT are the reason why in two quarters AMD went from 18% marketshare to over 30%. If anything, RX 5700 and 5700 XT are selling on the same level as RTX 2070 and 2070S.

 

[AtenRa]

RX5700XT doing fine against RTX2060 Super and RTX2070 Super until November, lets see next week the December results if the trend continues or not.



Steam Hardware Survey

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

RTX2070 Super : Release Date 9th July 2019
September = 0.18%
October = 0.26%
November = 0.44%

RTX2060 Super : Release Date 9th July 2019

October = 0.16%
November = 0.26%

RX5700XT : Release Date 7th July 2019

October = 0.16%
November = 0.22%

 

[lobz]

Just facts. Anyone who suggests that the x5700 series outsell the rtx series is not thinking logically, they are motivated by favouritism or have financial interests (stocks etc) in said company.

Great. Another guy who thinks he decides who's what.

 

[beginner99]

Why not ??

RX5700XT has 19.5TFlops of Half FLoat FP16,
RTX 2060S has 14,36TFlops of Half Float FP16.

Turing only has and advantage if you use TensorFlow 4x4 Matrix but you can use ANY GPU for Deep Learning/Machine Learning.

It's not about the performance but about CUDA. Try to set up a deep learning machine based on AMD. First it till only be possible under Linux and second there is no guarantee it will actually work while with NV (cuda) you can basically get a running environment with 1 command (using anaconda + tensorflow-gpu).

 

[uzzi38]

Oh right, I've been sitting on this one for a while, I forget if it's ever been posted, but in the case it hasn't, might as well.

This is almost certainly legit:

Re: [情報] AMD Navi 14 還有 RX 5300 系列

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www.ptt.cc

Have fun discussing this minor bombshell xd

 

[Glo.]

Nothing new, really .

 

[uzzi38]

Nothing new, really .

Yep. This is from early November iirc. Just, it also seems to have gone relatively unnoticed, so its been fun to drop as a minor bombshell in a couple of places.

 

[lifeblood]

Have fun discussing this minor bombshell xd

It would be more fun if I understood what was being revealed. I think I got a few things like Navi 21 is supposed to be an 80 CU part. Anything else in there?

 

[uzzi38]

It would be more fun if I understood what was being revealed. I think I got a few things like Navi 21 is supposed to be an 80 CU part. Anything else in there?

It's a 505mm^2 die is the most important part. This is on N7+ mind you, which is a noticeable (20%) density improvement over N7.

Whatever Navi 21 is, it's a chonker.

 

[guachi]

If AMD announces something that can compete with a 2080Ti, I'm in.

2080Ti is 50% faster than a 5700XT and costs about 175% more.

Even 50% faster for 100% more ($800) would be a big savings.

 

[Dave2150]

There is a word for this. Starts with "B", has "S" in the middle and ends with "T".

RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT are the reason why in two quarters AMD went from 18% marketshare to over 30%. If anything, RX 5700 and 5700 XT are selling on the same level as RTX 2070 and 2070S.

Data out there confirms otherwise. Steam hardware survey and others like it support my statement. 2070S outsells the buggy 5700XT. AMD reddit still full of BSOD, reboots and various bugs with Navi.

 

[lifeblood]

It's a 505mm^2 die is the most important part. This is on N7+ mind you, which is a noticeable (20%) density improvement over N7.

Whatever Navi 21 is, it's a chonker.

I read the 505mm^2 die size part but wasn't sure if they were talking about Navi or a Zen 2 APU.

I'm assuming that the Navi 20 series includes Ray Tracing hardware. Double the hardware (CU's, ROP's, etc) and adding RT hardware but balancing that with a 20% density improvement, I believe that die size. I wonder how much they've improved the CU's and stuff over the Navi 10 series, or if the only difference will be in the addition of RT?

I hope they get the N7+ process pretty reliable. At 505mm^2 per die it wont take too many imperfections to ruin an entire wafer's worth.

 

[Glo.]

If AMD announces something that can compete with a 2080Ti, I'm in.

2080Ti is 50% faster than a 5700XT and costs about 175% more.

Even 50% faster for 100% more ($800) would be a big savings.

Like AMD has massively undercut Nvidia, this generation, eh?

If a GPU competing with RTX 2080 Ti from AMD exists it will cost 999$. And then Nvidia will release RTX 2080 Ti Super, to counter it .

 

[uzzi38]

I read the 505mm^2 die size part but wasn't sure if they were talking about Navi or a Zen 2 APU.

I'm assuming that the Navi 20 series includes Ray Tracing hardware. Double the hardware (CU's, ROP's, etc) and adding RT hardware but balancing that with a 20% density improvement, I believe that die size. I wonder how much they've improved the CU's and stuff over the Navi 10 series, or if the only difference will be in the addition of RT?

I hope they get the N7+ process pretty reliable. At 505mm^2 per die it wont take too many imperfections to ruin an entire wafer's worth.

Well N7 is now, and one of the biggest selling points of N7+ is that it's supposed to quicker to improve on the defect rate too.

Though not going to lie, the state of Samsung's 7nm does make me worried about how ready the industry is for EUV

 

[guachi]

Like AMD has massively undercut Nvidia, this generation, eh?

If a GPU competing with RTX 2080 Ti from AMD exists it will cost 999$. And then Nvidia will release RTX 2080 Ti Super, to counter it .

The 2080S and 2080Ti are so grossly overpriced no reviewer anywhere says they are a good buy. So we know AMD has undercut Nvidia or the 2060S and 2070S would cost more (or probably not even exist).

Nvidia released an updated 2060 and 2070 that can't effectively compete with the 5700 and 5700XT. Yes, people are still buying the 2060S and 2070S in droves, but if AMD released such uncompetitive cards they'd get mocked. Look at the derision the 5500 and 5500XT are getting for being only $10-20 too much. If you switched the names of the 1650S and 5500XT, no one would be an eyelash at the price of the 5500XT.

The 2070S is 2% faster than a 5700XT for 25% more money. The card is a joke. It's pathetic the most competitive card Nvidia has is the 1650S, which is pretty good for the price.

 

[lobz]

Data out there confirms otherwise. Steam hardware survey and others like it support my statement. 2070S outsells the buggy 5700XT. AMD reddit still full of BSOD, reboots and various bugs with Navi.

Steam survey does not support anything, it's an even worse market share metric than the userbenchmarks website is for determining processor performance, and no matter how overwhelming you want to sound in every single one of your comments, as long as these companies don't release sales figures broken down to those SKUs, you - and anyone else for that matter - can not know and decide for everyone how well each of those sell.

Edit: also, your attitude towards members on this forum who'd like to participate in heated but civilized discussions is so very annoying, that you will definitely piss somebody way off if you can't change your tone.

 

[jpiniero]

Steam survey does not support anything

Steam pretty much is PC gaming. Maybe was? I guess you could say that Epic has gotten on their turf a little bit. You would think Valve would want the survey to be reasonably useful. AMD sold a ton of GPUs to miners, and so did nVidia when AMD's supply ran out... Valve isn't going to care about that.

 

[Veradun]

Steam pretty much is PC gaming. Maybe was? I guess you could say that Epic has gotten on their turf a little bit. You would think Valve would want the survey to be reasonably useful. AMD sold a ton of GPUs to miners, and so did nVidia when AMD's supply ran out... Valve isn't going to care about that.

Steam survey has nothing to do with statistics and it's not relevant to any discussion.

What's relevant is the "units shipped" column on JPR reports, that unfortunately don't include the split between skus since both nvidia and amd won't disclose that piece of data.

 

[mohit9206]

How much faster than 1660S do you guys think the 5600XT will be? If $249 is going to be the price shouldn't it be atleast 10% faster to be competitive?

 

[DownTheSky]

How much faster than 1660S do you guys think the 5600XT will be? If $249 is going to be the price shouldn't it be atleast 10% faster to be competitive?

That sounds about right:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ee5rrr