[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[amrnuke]

Oh no I'm not concerned about AMD, my last 2 cards have been nvidia although i do kind of want my next card to be amd but its kind of looking tough now with the direction amd is going but hopefully the pricing is more sensible by middle of next year.

Here's the direction AMD are going:
Radeon 5700 on release $349, beat the 6 month old 2060 at the same price, by 5%. It was obvious enough of a problem that Nvidia had to release the SUPER version. But...
Radeon 5700XT on release $399, beat the new 2060S at the same price by 5%.

What direction do you think AMD should be going? Should they cut performance 5% to match Nvidia and keep the price the same?

When they release the 5600XT, if it beats the 1660S by 5%, they should price it the same as the 1660S ($229). IMO, to not do so would be utterly stupid from a business perspective. Also, since the 1660S was just released, why would AMD be at fault for slapping 6GB memory on it, just like the 1660S? Are you suggesting they should price it the same, and even if it already beats the 1660S by 5%, they should also throw in 2GB more memory?

 

[amrnuke]

Even ignoring the fact that the 1060 6gb was $300 MSRP only for a founders edition card (actual MSRP is 250), it was launched 3.5 years (and counting) years ago. I am supposed to be impressed with a 60-ish% improvement in performance in that timeframe?

The 1060 itself matched the gtx 980 in performance despite being launched less than two years after the former. That was progress.

1700 - Mar 2017 $329
3700X - July 2019 $329
720p gaming performance rose only about 20.4% over 1.33 years, or 15.3% per year.
CPU tests rose about 27.5% over 1.33 years, or 20.6% per year.

RX570 - April 2017 $169
5500XT - Dec 2019 $169
1080p performance rose only about 16% over 1.33 years, or 9.6% per year.

Compare this to Nvidia...
1060 6GB - July 2016 $249
2060S - July 2019 $399
1440p performance rose 47% - wow! But because price went up $150, we have to adjust for that. Price rose 38%. So those gains are actually, when corrected, 15% over 3 years, or 5% per year.

If all you want is a product lower in the stack (1060) to beat a product higher in the previous stack (980) at a lower price, then why doesn't Vega 64 -> 5700 get your blood rushing? Why doesn't 1080 = 2060 make you blush?

 

[lifeblood]

Just turn down the textures and you won't need 8GB.

If I pay that much for a 4K rig then I want to see the game in all it's CPU/GPU abusing glory.

Many games I've just stopped and looked around to appreciate the game developers work. I walk around trees and exam leaves to see if their 2d or 3d, I watch the sun to see if it moves across the sky, I listen to the background sounds to see if I can identify bird species, etc. I just try to appreciate the hard work they did. I've been playing computer games for many years and I'm impressed with how much we've improved while also being impatient for more improvement.

 

[Glo.]

If I pay that much for a 4K rig then I want to see the game in all it's CPU/GPU abusing glory.

Many games I've just stopped and looked around to appreciate the game developers work. I walk around trees and exam leaves to see if their 2d or 3d, I watch the sun to see if it moves across the sky, I listen to the background sounds to see if I can identify bird species, etc. I just try to appreciate the hard work they did. I've been playing computer games for many years and I'm impressed with how much we've improved while also being impatient for more improvement.

If you build 4K gaming PC and you pay 270$ for a GPU you are very optimistic in belief that GPU can handle such res, without sacrificing fidelity of textures.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

AMD's entire line-up looks great if it were only $50-$100 less (and no, that doesn't mean I think NV's pricing is great). I suspect AMD will have substantial room to reprice these cards as soon as NV 7nm drops as they appear to be relatively "lightweight" in terms of design/transistor density etc.

Wonder if AMD has plans to shrink these things further as the process matures and releaunch them.

 

[lifeblood]

If you build 4K gaming PC and you pay 270$ for a GPU you are very optimistic in belief that GPU can handle such res, without sacrificing fidelity of textures.

By 4k rig I was actually thinking along the lines of an RTX 2080 or something. Given it's specs I'm expecting the RX 5600 to be more of a 1440p card, but the same thing applies to 1440p rig. Assuming the 5600 xt comes with 12 GB vram while the 5600 only has 6GB, id rather pay the extra $30-$40 (or whatever AMD is charging (within reason)) for the extra vram just so I don't have to turn things down. Not everybody will agree, just speaking for me.

 

[Shamrock]

Red Gaming tech states that the 5600XT will be 1.5x performance per watt.

 

[mohit9206]

1700 - Mar 2017 $329
3700X - July 2019 $329
720p gaming performance rose only about 20.4% over 1.33 years, or 15.3% per year.
CPU tests rose about 27.5% over 1.33 years, or 20.6% per year.

RX570 - April 2017 $169
5500XT - Dec 2019 $169
1080p performance rose only about 16% over 1.33 years, or 9.6% per year.

Compare this to Nvidia...
1060 6GB - July 2016 $249
2060S - July 2019 $399
1440p performance rose 47% - wow! But because price went up $150, we have to adjust for that. Price rose 38%. So those gains are actually, when corrected, 15% over 3 years, or 5% per year.

If all you want is a product lower in the stack (1060) to beat a product higher in the previous stack (980) at a lower price, then why doesn't Vega 64 -> 5700 get your blood rushing? Why doesn't 1080 = 2060 make you blush?

Compare 1060 6GB with 1660 Super

 

[beginner99]

Radeon 5700XT on release $399, beat the new 2060S at the same price by 5%.

Meaning they are essential equal. In my case I would go for the 2060 super because it's turing based and hence I can also use it to play around with deep learning if I wish so. Not possible with the AMD card.

 

[guachi]

A 41 game review for Hardware Unboxed in October had the 5700XT ahead by 9% and 8% at 1080 and 1440, respectively.

The 5700XT was 37-3-1 at 1080 and 36-2-3 at 1440. So it won almost every game tested. It was also only 2% slower than a 2070S.

If the opposite had occurred people would be roundly laughing at AMD. Unless you have a very specific use case there's no reason to buy a 2060S or 2070S.

 

[Glo.]

In terms of value, If rumors are true about RX 5600 XT(price/performance ratio), RX 5600 XT and RX 5700 might be the best GPUs of this generation.

 

[AtenRa]

Meaning they are essential equal. In my case I would go for the 2060 super because it's turing based and hence I can also use it to play around with deep learning if I wish so. Not possible with the AMD card.

Why not ??

RX5700XT has 19.5TFlops of Half FLoat FP16,
RTX 2060S has 14,36TFlops of Half Float FP16.

Turing only has and advantage if you use TensorFlow 4x4 Matrix but you can use ANY GPU for Deep Learning/Machine Learning.

 

[Glo.]

So RX 5600 XT appears to be using Navi 10 GPU.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1209540180731781120

 

[lobz]

Meaning they are essential equal. In my case I would go for the 2060 super because it's turing based and hence I can also use it to play around with deep learning if I wish so. Not possible with the AMD card.

The only intelligence in this comment is artificial.

 

[exquisitechar]

The only intelligence in this comment is artificial.

“Not possible with the AMD card” is false, but he has a point. 2060S has advantages that makes it worth buying for some people, like NVENC, RTX features, lack of the annoying driver issues that Navi has had, etc.

An 8% performance advantage is not insignificant but the 5700XT is not a no-brainer for everybody.

 

[lobz]

“Not possible with the AMD card” is false, but he has a point. 2060S has advantages that makes it worth buying for some people, like NVENC, RTX features, lack of the annoying driver issues that Navi has had, etc.

An 8% performance advantage is not insignificant but the 5700XT is not a no-brainer for everybody.

Some people, yes. Although the drivers topic is making me nuts. I have a 1070 and I had to reinstall the all praised nvidia driver like 20 times in the past 3 years. Not update, reinstall.

 

[Glo.]

Some people, yes. Although the drivers topic is making me nuts. I have a 1070 and I had to reinstall the all praised nvidia driver like 20 times in the past 3 years. Not update, reinstall.

Currently both vendors drivers are piece of "..."

However, Navi drivers were pinnacle of being "..." for quite a while after the release of the GPUs. Especially - Linux drivers.

Linux's Kernel 5.6 and Mesa 20.0 hopefully will fix all of the problems.

 

[soresu]

Currently both vendors drivers are piece of "..."

However, Navi drivers were pinnacle of being "..." for quite a while after the release of the GPUs. Especially - Linux drivers.

Linux's Kernel 5.6 and Mesa 20.0 hopefully will fix all of the problems.

Still no support in ROCm apparently for Navi, including the new v3.0 release.

 

[lobz]

Still no support in ROCm apparently for Navi, including the new v3.0 release.

To be completely fair, they are not the compute monsters that the GCN cards are.

 

[Veradun]

2060S has advantages that makes it worth buying for some people, like NVENC, RTX features, lack of the annoying driver issues that Navi has had, etc.

An 8% performance advantage is not insignificant but the 5700XT is not a no-brainer for everybody.

5700XT has advantages that makes it worth buying for some people, like VCN, freesync, frtc, chill, antilag, ris, lack of an early nineties control panel, etc...

An 8% performance disadvantage is not insignificant but there are other things making the 5700XT a no-brainer.

 

[Dave2150]

5700XT has advantages that makes it worth buying for some people, like VCN, freesync, frtc, chill, antilag, ris, lack of an early nineties control panel, etc...

An 8% performance disadvantage is not insignificant but there are other things making the 5700XT a no-brainer.

5700 series have been plagued with driver issues since launch, that's put loads of people off buying this GPU. 2070 Super is a much safer buy. Check the AMD reddit, so many horror stories of the crappy new 2020 drives there.

 

[Veradun]

5700 series have been plagued with driver issues since launch, that's put loads of people off buying this GPU. 2070 Super is a much safer buy. Check the AMD reddit, so many horror stories of the crappy new 2020 drives there.

RTX series have been plagued by hardware failures since launch, that's put loads of people off buying this GPU. RX5700XT is a much safer buy.

 

[Dave2150]

RTX series have been plagued by hardware failures since launch, that's put loads of people off buying this GPU. RX5700XT is a much safer buy.

Marketshare and mindshare confirm me to be correct, and you to be a fanboy. 2070 and 2070S have sold more than the 5700 series.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/ - check the driver threads here where AMD fans themselves complain of terrible driver issues, BSOD's etc. NVIDIA cards are much more stable.

You are not allowed to insult users,
or use phrases such as "fanboy".

AT Mod Usandthem

 

[Veradun]

Marketshare and mindshare confirm me to be correct, and you to be a fanboy. 2070 and 2070S have sold more than the 5700 series.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/ - check the driver threads here where AMD fans themselves complain of terrible driver issues, BSOD's etc. NVIDIA cards are much more stable.

Name calling? Well done.

 

[Glo.]

Marketshare and mindshare confirm me to be correct, and you to be a fanboy. 2070 and 2070S have sold more than the 5700 series.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/ - check the driver threads here where AMD fans themselves complain of terrible driver issues, BSOD's etc. NVIDIA cards are much more stable.

You do realize that RTX 2070 is for almost a year longer on the market that RX 5700 XT is?