[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[Mopetar]

Who cares what you'll do.

Companies, at least if they want my money anyway.

I think I should just bookmark this so I can come back in four years and have a good laugh when NVidia is still around and still selling GPUs in laptops.

But, if you truly think that they have no hope to stick around, you should go out right now and short their stock. You stand to make an awful lot of money if they get completely kicked out of the mainstream GPU market. I've found that people tend to talk awful big about how things are going to be, but I'm always left wondering why they don't put this wonderful knowledge of how everything works to good use and make money. I think we both know the answer to that.

 

[Yotsugi]

Companies, at least if they want my money anyway.

Good thing you're but a single obnoxious customer.

But, if you truly think that they have no hope to stick around, you should go out right now and short their stock

That's not even a bad idea, but I'd rather wait 6-8 months more for moar meme startups to come out of stealth mode first.
And maybe even Graphcore will post them numbers.

 

[Veradun]

Companies, at least if they want my money anyway.

I think I should just bookmark this so I can come back in four years and have a good laugh when NVidia is still around and still selling GPUs in laptops.

But, if you truly think that they have no hope to stick around, you should go out right now and short their stock. You stand to make an awful lot of money if they get completely kicked out of the mainstream GPU market. I've found that people tend to talk awful big about how things are going to be, but I'm always left wondering why they don't put this wonderful knowledge of how everything works to good use and make money. I think we both know the answer to that.

When low-end to midrange will be inside CPUs or bundled with CPUs at convenient prices (intel or and, it doesn't really matter) where do you think nvidia will find the money to develop their high end monstrosities. Or the bribes?

 

[Glo.]

Companies, at least if they want my money anyway.

I think I should just bookmark this so I can come back in four years and have a good laugh when NVidia is still around and still selling GPUs in laptops.

But, if you truly think that they have no hope to stick around, you should go out right now and short their stock. You stand to make an awful lot of money if they get completely kicked out of the mainstream GPU market. I've found that people tend to talk awful big about how things are going to be, but I'm always left wondering why they don't put this wonderful knowledge of how everything works to good use and make money. I think we both know the answer to that.

You do realize, that AMD and Intel both will have the technology to kick Nvidia out of any laptop or computer, lagally?

They can just offer CPU+dGPU bundles to tech companies, with hardware support.

Nvidia does not have CPUs, and have by far the most expensive technology on the market. Who do you think will win this war?

 

[Veradun]

You do realize, that AMD and Intel both will have the technology to kick Nvidia out of any laptop or computer, lagally?

They can just offer CPU+dGPU bundles to tech companies, with hardware support.

Nvidia does not have CPUs, and have by far the most expensive technology on the market. Who do you think will win this war?

I'm not sure who will win. But I'm sure nvidia will lose.

 

[Dribble]

All this "Nvidia is dead" due to the cpu/gpu combo of AMD or Intel has been parroted since AMD bought Ati. The red half of the community was near certain it was all over for team green when AMD announced Fusion in 2006, and then on several occasions since (e.g when Nvidia lost the license to make motherboards). Why is it different this time?

 

[itsmydamnation]

All this "Nvidia is dead" due to the cpu/gpu combo of AMD or Intel has been parroted since AMD bought Ati. The red half of the community was near certain it was all over for team green when AMD announced Fusion in 2006, and then on several occasions since (e.g when Nvidia lost the license to make motherboards). Why is it different this time?

It appears both AMD are getting there CPU side in order and Intel are getting there GPU side in order. Thats the issue for NV and that is different compared to the last decade.

 

[Glo.]

All this "Nvidia is dead" due to the cpu/gpu combo of AMD or Intel has been parroted since AMD bought Ati. The red half of the community was near certain it was all over for team green when AMD announced Fusion in 2006, and then on several occasions since (e.g when Nvidia lost the license to make motherboards). Why is it different this time?

Because finally both competitors have both: high performance CPUs and GPUs. Its this simple.

If you can get 8 Core CPU, that can fit in decent thermal envelope, like 45W, with iGPU which is at least as fast as MX250 plus a GPU that costs the same as GTX 1650M, but performs like GTX 1660M, and both of those parts you buy for much less than you would pay for Nvidia+Intel combo on GPU and CPU side, why would you EVER want to use Nvidia products?

The same thing will go for Intel. IF they can deliver products to market .

 

[lifeblood]

Rumors of Nvidia’s death have been greatly exaggerated. They will adopt.

BTW, wasn’t the gtx 1660 super or 1550 Ti supposed to have been released around now or something? At least according to rumors?

(Edited for spelling)

 

[Veradun]

Rumors of Nvidia’s death have been greatly exaggerated. They will adopt.

BTW, wasn’t the gtx 1660 super or 1550 Ti supposed to Ben released around now or something? At least according to rumors?

They've been trying to adapt finding new markets continuosly in the last decade. Every single one has been a flop so far. Same for their not working technology locks: 3D Vision, NF200, PhysX, G.Sync, they failed miserably and the next one is their proprietary RTX that will soon become "RTX compatible". They're left with their current and previous core business.

Once again: how are they supposed to fund their R&D for big monstrous chips while losing big OEM contracts for midrange to low end systems?

 

[amrnuke]

Rumors of Nvidia’s death have been greatly exaggerated. They will adopt.

Not so sure. I identify 6 granular markets for GPUs:

Business OEM
Consumer OEM
Enthusiast
Professional
Data center
Mobile

AMD is smartly making inroads into OEM (APU/iGPU) and mobile (via Samsung partnership), while also having a nice professional and data center presence.

Nvidia also have a data center presence, but they rely greatly on gaming markets (the majority of revenue, >50%) and their name, and are becoming iterative like Intel with their microarchitectures. What happens in the data centers will probably tell Nvidia's future more than anything, but for now, Nvidia's gaming segment makes the most money, and we all know Navi, for the price, hammers Nvidia's Super offerings (5700XT >>>> 2060S at same price).

I understand that investors are bullish on Nvidia's ability to maintain the hegemony at the highly-profitable top end of the gaming market. But if AMD release a 5900XT that even minimally beats the 2080Ti with reasonable power draw, you're going to start to see some shifts happening.

tl;dr: Nvidia's future relies on profits in the data center and high end of gaming. Two things to watch: data center adoption and AMD/Intel top-tier GPU competition.

 

[maddie]

Rumors of Nvidia’s death have been greatly exaggerated. They will adopt.

BTW, wasn’t the gtx 1660 super or 1550 Ti supposed to Ben released around now or something? At least according to rumors?

Adapt really means changing to fit the new environment.

The present inconceivable future is that Nvidia vacates the consumer GPU space. Once/If they lose the mass market for gamers (low end products), the ability to amortize gaming R&D falls off drastically. Is it impossible to see the company becoming a professional market only supplier? AI, deep learning, compute, etc. Even in this however, the competition will be intense.

 

[lifeblood]

I'm sorry, but how many times on this forum and countless others has AMD's imminent demise been predicted? And yet here they are, resurrected from the proverbial grave and putting out excellent products. Now we're supposed to automatically accept Nvidia is doomed?

Their are way too many unknowns for this to be counted is a valid prediction. Nvidia is a much larger company than AMD and has a talent for coming up with new gimmicks that so many people appear to buy into. Intel may release a killer GPU that kicks everyone's butt, or they may release another i740. Also, Intel (like google) has this nasty habit of loosing interest in products after only a short time, or Intel's graphics may be compute heavy that's really tailored for the data center and doesn't compete well with current consumer cards.

Every company fades into insignificance. IBM is a shadow of its former self and Microsoft is slowly heading that way. Nvidia will die some day as well. Maybe it will be dead in only a few years, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[maddie]

I'm sorry, but how many times on this forum and countless others has AMD's imminent demise been predicted? And yet here they are, resurrected from the proverbial grave and putting out excellent products. Now we're supposed to automatically accept Nvidia is doomed?

Their are way too many unknowns for this to be counted is a valid prediction. Nvidia is a much larger company than AMD and has a talent for coming up with new gimmicks that so many people appear to buy into. Intel may release a killer GPU that kicks everyone's butt, or they may release another i740. Also, Intel (like google) has this nasty habit of loosing interest in products after only a short time, or Intel's graphics may be compute heavy that's really tailored for the data center and doesn't compete well with current consumer cards.

Every company fades into insignificance. IBM is a shadow of its former self and Microsoft is slowly heading that way. Nvidia will die some day as well. Maybe it will be dead in only a few years, but I'm not holding my breath.

You mean you could have held your breath for a few years?

 

[Kenmitch]

You do realize, that AMD and Intel both will have the technology to kick Nvidia out of any laptop or computer, lagally?

Surely not lagally but possibly legally.

 

[lifeblood]

A number of leaks have come out with images of various 1660 Super’s (the Maxsun Terminator looks particularly cool to me). Price estimates range from $229 (same as current 1660) to $250.

I wonder if AMD and Nvidia are both waiting to see what the other one prices their cards at. If Nvidia prices the 1660 Super at $250 that gives AMD much more room to undercut them. Nvidia of course never wants to charge anything less than the maximum they can get away with, but also probably don’t want to make things too easy for AMD.

On a side note, there is an EVGA 1660 on sale on Amazon for $209. Looks like a decent deal.

 

[VirtualLarry]

On a side note, there is an EVGA 1660 on sale on Amazon for $209. Looks like a decent deal.

Whoa. And an XFX reference RX 5700 for $289.99 @ Newegg, with two freebies.

Now I wish that I had waited, I just bought another GTX 1660 ti 'Gaming X' for $310 - $21 coupon discount on ebay + $19 tax.

For that I could have had a 5700, or saved some money with a 1660 non-ti. $209 is decent. But I really wanted something with GDDR6, it really helps with mining software.

 

[lifeblood]

Whoa. And an XFX reference RX 5700 for $289.99 @ Newegg, with two freebies.

Dammit, why did you have to tell me that? Now my hand has started to twitch again.

 

[uzzi38]

5500XT assuming matches the 1660Ti and comes with 8gb vram, the 1660ti is about 250 dollars so 250 would be an ok price for 5500XT but again not really disruptive.

There would be virtually no performance difference between a 5500 and 5500XT assuming the current product and fully enabled die respectively. Less than 5% at the absolute best.

Also, AMD's press release slide deck on the 5500 series slide deck shows the specs of the RX 5500 and 8GB GDDR6. Either the 'XT' is just the same GPU with more VRAM (extremely unlikely) or the 5500 will have 4GB and 8GB skus.

Yeah, let's be realistic, there's not gonna be a 5500 XT

 

[lifeblood]

Assuming 30% faster on avg than 1650, and considering almost everyone agrees 1650 was very overpriced at 149 dollars, RX5500 needs to at most come in at 149. 5500XT assuming matches the 1660Ti and comes with 8gb vram, the 1660ti is about 250 dollars so 250 would be an ok price for 5500XT but again not really disruptive.

The 1660 Ti was around $279. I googled the 1660 Ti and some popped up at around $230 but when I clicked on the link they ended up being vanilla 1660's (non-Ti). I don't think the 1660 Ti is $250 quite yet but I bet a few will be come Black Friday.

 

[lifeblood]

There would be virtually no performance difference between a 5500 and 5500XT assuming the current product and fully enabled die respectively. Less than 5% at the absolute best.

Also, AMD's press release slide deck on the 5500 series slide deck shows the specs of the RX 5500 and 8GB GDDR6. Either the 'XT' is just the same GPU with more VRAM (extremely unlikely) or the 5500 will have 4GB and 8GB skus.

Supposedly the XT will have a few more CU's. However, I've seen a few sites refer to the XT as the 8GB version and the vanilla 5500 as the 4GB version so who knows? (Other than AMD)

 

[VirtualLarry]

The 1660 Ti was around $279. I googled the 1660 Ti and some popped up at around $230 but when I clicked on the link they ended up being vanilla 1660's (non-Ti). I don't think the 1660 Ti is $250 quite yet but I bet a few will be come Black Friday.

I agree. Although, there is one seller with two left, selling what they claim is a 1660 ti for $240 + $13 shipping. I have my doubts.

Nearly everywhere else I look, GTX 1660 ti is at least $270, for New product. Or more (like my 'Gaming X' model, probably one of the most expensive versions, outside of some highly-OCed EVGA models with triple fans).

Looking forward to an RX 5500 (or XT) model with 8GB of GDDR6. Should be great for mining Grin.

 

[uzzi38]

Supposedly the XT will have a few more CU's. However, I've seen a few sites refer to the XT as the 8GB version and the vanilla 5500 as the 4GB version so who knows? (Other than AMD)

2 more CUs left in the full die, so it can't be more than that, but check the slide deck and you'll see that there likely won't be an XT.

This slide deck doesn't actually say that, but supposedly there's a version after this. I highly doubt AMD will release the same GPU with more VRAM and call it the XT. And if they are, they would have just launched the two together. 0 reason to hold back on the 'XT'.

 

[lifeblood]

Looking forward to an RX 5500 (or XT) model with 8GB of GDDR6. Should be great for mining Grin.

Is Navi any good for mining? I would think a more compute heavy card like Vega would be better. But then again isn't their some versions of bit coin that are far more memory intensive to mine?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm doing 50Mh/s on 115W on an RX 5700 mining ETH, that's pretty decent, especially for the cost. Next best is a Radeon VII, which is still $700 new.