[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[amrnuke]

I'm doing 50Mh/s on 115W on an RX 5700 mining ETH, that's pretty decent, especially for the cost. Next best is a Radeon VII, which is still $700 new.

~$100 a year profit where I'm at. Not bad considering I get to game on it too. And with winter coming up, it will double as a space heater.

 

[Ranulf]

On a side note, there is an EVGA 1660 on sale on Amazon for $209. Looks like a decent deal.

Sadly it really isn't. Average entry level prices for 1660's are $215-230 the last 2 months. It is possibly Evga's worst selling model, seems that way because I see them on sale all the time. The single fan 1660/ti/2060 models don't get great reviews (noise mostly, not shocking) and have been up to $50 off in the past few months at various times for the 2060 model.

I think it was someone here who mentioned it awhile back, but when looking at the review numbers, the 1660 is usually only 10fps behind the 1660ti yet usually $50 cheaper across the board of entry/mid/highend versions of each model. I don't see how GDDR6 is going to matter that much in 1-2 years when the 1660ti is still only 6gb at 192bit.

 

[Kenmitch]

AMD launches some competitive products and they're rewarded with dirty tricks and marketing shenanigans!

Latest video from the beloved AdoredTV looks like some dirty tricks are being played with freesync.

I guess it's one of those if you want certified you must do this things. It's really sad that end users of the products look the other way and support companies that do these things!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

AMD launches some competitive products and they're rewarded with dirty tricks and marketing shenanigans!

Latest video from the beloved AdoredTV looks like some dirty tricks are being played with freesync.

I guess it's one of those if you want certified you must do this things. It's really sad that end users of the products look the other way and support companies that do these things!

18 minute video is sort of long to watch, plus HOLY ACCENT. Could you please summarize it?

 

[Kenmitch]

18 minute video is sort of long to watch, plus HOLY ACCENT. Could you please summarize it?

In a nutshell it looks like Nvidia is pressuring the Monitor makers into dropping freesync for G-Sync compatible as part of the certification process. All references to freesync that were once shown on product pages are being replaced with G-Sync compatible. No more AMD freesync logos as they're replaced with the G-Sync logos.

 

[Dribble]

In a nutshell it looks like Nvidia is pressuring the Monitor makers into dropping freesync for G-Sync compatible as part of the certification process. All references to freesync that were once shown on product pages are being replaced with G-Sync compatible. No more AMD freesync logos as they're replaced with the G-Sync logos.

I am sure monitor makers can choose how they brand their monitors and they've just decided to go with "GSYNC Compatible" not "AMD Freesync" if it is GSYNC compatible. Probably because that is a higher quality stamp due to the certification being much harder, and seen by buyers as a higher mark of quality due to the Nvidia brand being worth more then the AMD one.

Adored also basically blames AMD for this as they didn't bother making a decent certification process themselves, which I agree with. Freesync quality control from day 1 till the arrival of Nvidia has always been rubbish and that falls at AMD's feet for not bothering to institute anything. Now Nvidia come in, setup some decent QA and actively test the monitors so the stamp actually means something and they get all the advertising as a result.

If AMD had put the effort in to testing and certifying monitors so only those with a high standard of Freesync support could put the "AMD Freesync certified" stamp on or whatever they could have called it this wouldn't have happened! More importantly we wouldn't have had all those shockingly bad half implemented Freesync monitors that got the sticker but were pretty well unusable with Freesync on.

 

[VirtualLarry]

In a nutshell it looks like Nvidia is pressuring the Monitor makers into dropping freesync for G-Sync compatible as part of the certification process. All references to freesync that were once shown on product pages are being replaced with G-Sync compatible. No more AMD freesync logos as they're replaced with the G-Sync logos.

Dirty Tricks!

Now I feel bad buying three GTX 1660 ti cards. I should sell them. That will teach me to be an isle-crosser. NV just don't change, do they.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If AMD had put the effort in to testing and certifying monitors so only those with a high standard of Freesync support could put the "AMD Freesync certified" stamp on or whatever they could have called it this wouldn't have happened!

But why can't AMD FreeSync-compatible monitor makers put BOTH "FreeSync (2)" and "G-Sync Compatible" on their monitors? If they are somehow contractually-barred from advertising "FreeSync" on monitors that also sport the "G-Sync Compatible" logo, then that's just more DIRTY TRICKS. Much like NV strong-armed video card mfgs into only advertising their NV GPU-based cards with their "primary Gaming brand", having to come up with new gaming brands for their AMD cards. "Asus Ares" ring a bell? Of course, "ROG STRIX" is now NV-only. Which is more recognizable to gamers in the market?

 

[Glo.]

AOC on their FreeSync monitor pages says their monitors have FreeSync.

 

[Kenmitch]

AOC on their FreeSync monitor pages says their monitors have FreeSync.

I haven't been in the market for a monitor for a while so haven't really given them much thought. My son's looking to upgrade his in the near future so I've glanced at a few here and there. I have no idea what the marketing said before and after this happened.

I guess it's too early to see how this is going to pan out in the end.

 

[Glo.]

I haven't been in the market for a monitor for a while so haven't really given them much thought. My son's looking to upgrade his in the near future so I've glanced at a few here and there. I have no idea what the marketing said before and after this happened.

I guess it's too early to see how this is going to pan out in the end.

AOC has 27G2U. Its smaller version: 24G2U currently is considered by far the best bang for your buck gaming monitor. 144 Hz, 1080p, IPS display, with tremendous colour reproduction, tremendously low motion blur, tremendously low Input Lag, and tremendously low price.

Also AOC, since monday ofers, for all Monitors that have been bought since 1st of January 2019, new Warranty called Re-Spawn. If you ever have a ONE bright, or dead Pixel, they will replace you the whole monitor, without asking any questions. For free. For three years since the date of purchase for G-Series Monitors, and 4 years for AGON series.

When I heard about that, AOC immediately has got a new customer. Im building 1080p, 144 Hz E-Sports gaming PC, and needed 27 inch monitor - 27G2U, which is by far, the cheapest, and best value 27 inch monitor on this planet.

 

[Dribble]

But why can't AMD FreeSync-compatible monitor makers put BOTH "FreeSync (2)" and "G-Sync Compatible" on their monitors? If they are somehow contractually-barred from advertising "FreeSync" on monitors that also sport the "G-Sync Compatible" logo, then that's just more DIRTY TRICKS. Much like NV strong-armed video card mfgs into only advertising their NV GPU-based cards with their "primary Gaming brand", having to come up with new gaming brands for their AMD cards. "Asus Ares" ring a bell? Of course, "ROG STRIX" is now NV-only. Which is more recognizable to gamers in the market?

It's not an Nvidia graphics card, it has no Nvidia hardware in it, it doesn't use any Nvidia patents, it's not paid for by Nvidia. Nvidia can't force them to do anything, more importantly I don't think they need too.

I suspect it's completely the monitor makers choice and to keep the adverts clear they call the feature one thing and they've picked the Nvidia branding because that's the harder to achieve stamp, and the Nvidia Gsync brand is worth more then the AMD Freesync one. That's at least partly down to AMD for not bothering to make Freesync branding a badge of quality.

 

[soresu]

the Nvidia Gsync brand is worth more then the AMD Freesync one.

Freesync is a brand on a Displayport feature called Adaptive Sync.

It's just AMD branding on something VESA is likely certifying.

In short this is actually nVidia doing an Apple, taking credit for the work of others as if it is there own - it doesn't surprise me in the least.

 

[soresu]

I suspect it's completely the monitor makers choice and to keep the adverts clear they call the feature one thing and they've picked the Nvidia branding because that's the harder to achieve stamp, and the Nvidia Gsync brand is worth more

Considering the history of GameWorks we can probably assume that some money changes hands with this 'G Sync' branding, it's basically nVidia paying the manufacturers to advertise for them.

The only worth in play is the one the manufacturers get before they even sell a single monitor.

It clearly wasn't enough before for the mass of them to pony up for nVidia's custom G Sync hardware, which I doubt is in the greater majority of the newer models being sold, hence nVidia's Apple play.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Nvidia can't force them to do anything

BS. NVidia (presumably) owns the Trademark on "G-Sync", so for Monitor makers to license that Trademark, and put "G-Sync Compatible", on the monitor, they would have to follow NVidia's "rules". Including Certification, from which that mark gets it's value, and also, perhaps, restrictions on advertising a competitor's technology on the monitor's box and marketing material. Not at all unusual.

 

[beginner99]

Good old OEM deals will punish them in ~6-8 months.
In 3-4 years nV will cease to exist in laptops period.

Thinking about this, it makes a lot of sense. Intel will soon have their own, better GPU. So both intel and AMD will obviously pair their hardware and offer them cheaper if OEM buys them together.
Could this be the evil plan of intel making a dGPU? Take away NVs bottom line (high volume) income to cripple them in HPC and then take over that market.

Problem with NV dominace isn't the hardware, it's the software and just being a bit faster and lower power isn't enough to get people to rewrite software.

 

[Veradun]

Problem with NV dominace isn't the hardware, it's the software and just being a bit faster and lower power isn't enough to get people to rewrite software.

What kind of software, tho? Something the mass market care about? No.

 

[AtenRa]

AOC has 27G2U. Its smaller version: 24G2U currently is considered by far the best bang for your buck gaming monitor. 144 Hz, 1080p, IPS display, with tremendous colour reproduction, tremendously low motion blur, tremendously low Input Lag, and tremendously low price.

Also AOC, since monday ofers, for all Monitors that have been bought since 1st of January 2019, new Warranty called Re-Spawn. If you ever have a ONE bright, or dead Pixel, they will replace you the whole monitor, without asking any questions. For free. For three years since the date of purchase for G-Series Monitors, and 4 years for AGON series.

When I heard about that, AOC immediately has got a new customer. Im building 1080p, 144 Hz E-Sports gaming PC, and needed 27 inch monitor - 27G2U, which is by far, the cheapest, and best value 27 inch monitor on this planet.

Yea recently bought the AOC CQ32G1 2560x1440 144Hz 32" , excellent monitor for its price.

 

[beginner99]

What kind of software, tho? Something the mass market care about? No.

CUDA obviously.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Beyond a few people on this board, does anyone specifically buy a monitor because it supports Freesynch or G Synch?

 

[Veradun]

CUDA obviously.

It fits the definition of "something mass market doesn't care about" quite perfectly

 

[soresu]

Could this be the evil plan of intel making a dGPU? Take away NVs bottom line (high volume) income to cripple them in HPC and then take over that market.

Intel's OneAPI efforts seem to be targeted at a standards based attack on CUDA already, there's supposed to be a beta landing this quarter.

Embree also seems to be targeting a similar area as nVidia Optix, while being somewhat more open, I would expect them to pivot towards GPGPU+HWRT focused Embree efforts as their dGPU rollout picks up steam.

 

[Glo.]

Beyond a few people on this board, does anyone specifically buy a monitor because it supports Freesynch or G Synch?

I would.

I would not consider buying a G-Sync monitor because of price premium that it does not give back, over FreeSync monitors.

 

[Kenmitch]

Beyond a few people on this board, does anyone specifically buy a monitor because it supports Freesynch or G Synch?

I can't see basing your whole buying decision on one or the other, but if you have a card that supports the feature why not take advantage of it. Of course you'd want to make sure the monitor meets your other must haves like resolution, size, visual quality, etc.

If it comes down to 2 similar spec'd monitors that met my needs I'd probably be swayed towards the cheaper offering. If there is a G-Sync compatible premium on 1 of them....Well it sucks to be that OEM.

 

[amrnuke]

Beyond a few people on this board, does anyone specifically buy a monitor because it supports Freesynch or G Synch?

I think that's not the point. Of course, we are more knowledgeable about the technologies.

The issue, I think, is that many people aren't.

Some comments from around the communities that provide examples of why this is excellent for Nvidia and bad for AMD:

"If you went with an AMD card for G-sync, you'd get screen tearing."

"At the time you bought it, you already paid a premium to have G-sync. Why waste it to get an AMD card? (Also, why would you want the AMD card? I'm not sure why you want it with a G sync monitor

) "

"I agree. The OP should just get a Geforce card, otherwise it's a waste of paying the premium for a G-Sync monitor. "

So what is likely to happen is people will buy the G-sync monitors, not knowing about Freesync, and either be recommended to buy Nvidia or will run into issues with their AMD GPU and end up being recommended to buy Nvidia.