[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

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AMD just blew Nvidia's offering out of the water with this announcement. At $350 the RX 5700 is an amazing graphic card with huge value, if the leaked review holds true then the RX 5700 essentially matches the RTX 2060 Super, yet its $50 less, amazing value.

The RX 5700XT is even more impressive as it boosts better performance than the RTX 2070, for $50 less or $100 less than the Super version.

Hopefully no more than 2 months after this huge launch, they launch the RX 5800 as well and RX 5600 series as well.
 

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I would not expect any faster Navi products until next year. But hey, you never know. They do need a sub-$300 Navi in any case.
 

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Best I can figure is that the 5700 and 5700XT are about 95% as fast as the 2060S and 2070S, respectively, for 88% and 80% the price.

The 5700XT will be faster than the 2060S for the same price and the 5700 will be faster than the 2060 for the same price. Which kinda makes the 2060 and 2060S pointless cards.
 

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Best I can figure is that the 5700 and 5700XT are about 95% as fast as the 2060S and 2070S, respectively, for 88% and 80% the price.

The 5700XT will be faster than the 2060S for the same price and the 5700 will be faster than the 2060 for the same price. Which kinda makes the 2060 and 2060S pointless cards.
2060 is pointless yes,i think i can see a price drop to $320 for 2060 but 2060S is not pointless because although you are getting slightly less performance than 5700XT, you are also getting RTX and i believe a couple of free games as well.
 

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Now all they have to do is do away with the GameWorks thing, open up NVLink to PCI-SIG, open-source CUDA, and um hmm stop selling $1300 consumer graphics cards, and I'll thank them.
Only way to stop Nvidia from selling $1300 cards is for AMD to create a tier that competes with it.
 

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Funny you thanking NVIDIA when actually everyone should thank AMD , because NAVI 10 (RX 5700 & 5700XT) made NVIDIA to react and forced them to release faster cards and finally we now have a little competition.
How do we know amd and nvidia aren't colluding and this price drop is a way to pretend that there's competition.
 
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If the supposed leaked benchmarks we saw are true, we have a 5700 that equals or comes close to Vega64 performance at a lower power draw, $349 launch price (instead of $499 for Vega64).
Or for people to stop buying $1300 graphics cards.
Yes, but the reason they buy the card is in order to get the fastest card. It's not like there's not a purpose to it. It's like with cars. You pay a heavy premium for top-end features. The 2080 Ti offers more than a 2070S as well. Granted, that's an absurd price. But if someone is professionally gaming, I guess I get it.
 
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2060 is pointless yes,i think i can see a price drop to $320 for 2060 but 2060S is not pointless because although you are getting slightly less performance than 5700XT, you are also getting RTX and i believe a couple of free games as well.
The only reason for 2060S, considering it will be as fast as 5700 is the bragging rights of RTX tech. Nothing more. It will be less efficient, equally performant, and more expensive than RX 5700.
 

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The only reason for 2060S, considering it will be as fast as 5700 is the bragging rights of RTX tech. Nothing more. It will be less efficient, equally performant, and more expensive than RX 5700.

Will it really be less efficient? Do we have concrete data on it?
 

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Will it really be less efficient? Do we have concrete data on it?
AMD-Radeon-RX-5700-Power-Consumption.png

Compare where is 5700, and RTX 2060 Super. Its all system power draw.
 

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2060 is pointless yes,i think i can see a price drop to $320 for 2060 but 2060S is not pointless because although you are getting slightly less performance than 5700XT, you are also getting RTX and i believe a couple of free games as well.
I have no idea, why do people keep bringing up RTX on a freakin 2060
 

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I have no idea, why do people keep bringing up RTX on a freakin 2060
Its not really a 2060 anymore tho, its a 2070 basically. One might not want to use it considering the performance impact but the option is there and Nvidia is charging a $50 premium for it. Are u saying RTX is not worth $50 over the 5700?
 

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Its not really a 2060 anymore tho, its a 2070 basically. One might not want to use it considering the performance impact but the option is there and Nvidia is charging a $50 premium for it. Are u saying RTX is not worth $50 over the 5700?
I'm saying it's not worth even $20.
Anyone who's comfortable to sacrifice so much for 1-2 rays per pixel is is completely out of the reach of my logical reasoning skills, so I rather just let them having fun playing like that.
 
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mohit9206

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I'm saying it's not worth even $20.
Anyone who's comfortable to sacrifice so much for 1-2 rays per pixel is is completely out of the reach of my logical reasoning skills, so I rather just let them having fun playing like that.
But next gen consoles will have raytracing and developers will keep improving performance in future games.
 

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But next gen consoles will have raytracing and developers will keep improving performance in future games.
I don't think that the RTing power of the 2060 or 2070 will be comparable to the RTing power of the next-gen consoles.

Edit: I'm just gonna come out and say, I have no information about that, it just wouldn't make any sense. RT is not something you can optimize a whole lot for, maybe if you're starting to build a new engine from scratch. We're not going to see an engine like that in like 3-4 years.
 
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Funny you thanking NVIDIA when actually everyone should thank AMD , because NAVI 10 (RX 5700 & 5700XT) made NVIDIA to react and forced them to release faster cards and finally we now have a little competition.

Ridiculous. Not a single person said the pricing of the Radeon 5700 and 5700xt were acceptable initially much like Turings.

A company should not be thanked for doing something that a company has to do to make money. That is release products. It comes down to pricing and how it moves the market forward if we are talking about consumer benefit.

At the pricing AMD launched the 5700 and 5700xt, it was basically the maximum AMD could really charge much like Nvidia with initial turing launch. Considering the AMD brand and its value, Nvidia didn't have to do anything and their brand would ensure the marketshare loss would be minimal. Additionally, there is a strong likelihood once legacy games are thrown into the mix that the 5700xt would have been the same performance as a rtx 2070. And we both know at the same performance, Nvidia can charge 10% more because of the NV brand, the game bundle and RTX. Add some nvidia marketing and Nvidia could mostly maintain the marketshare it has.

The difference between this and the super launch is Nvidia is pricing themselves below what they have to price their product. When the superior brand is purposely launching cards with better price to performance than the value brand, the value brand is near absolutely forced to drop prices or incur severe consequences. After the GTX 680 was released under 7970 pricing, AMD card stopped selling which forced AMD to drop the price of their cards 150 dollars, overclock it and toss in 2 or 3 triple AAA games. Nvidia doesn't need to act nearly as aggressively because of mindshare. There is a tremendous difference when a value product under prices their products and the premium product.

E.g if RC cola came out with a new formulation and raised the price of their product to near coca cola prices, would Coca Cola need to do anything with their prices? Probably not.

However if Coca Cola, lowered there pricing just below this new RC cola, what would RC cola have to do to make their new product a success? Drop prices.

When the premium brand does something in terms of price drops, it means much more to the market. Although not technically a price drop in naming, the RTX 2070 super is 95% of a RTX 2080 for atleast 200 less and the RTX 2060 super is effectively a RTX 2070 for 100 less.

For AMD to effectively change the market, they need to severely undercut the competition as was the case with the 4870 and 5870. Nvidia could have sat on their hand with Navi pricing but they did not. This is because they are an aggressive company unlike Intel. If AMD priced their products at say 279 and 349 initially, I would say we have AMD to thank. But with the launch of super, it was Nvidia that officially kicked off the price war. Either way we should not be thankful to either company. The launch of super was simply a strategic business decision to capitalize on the lost goodwill of Navi's high price, gain good will in the process and to cause the Navi launch to fail. Nonetheless, the latter helps consumers and could potentially start a price war. What AMD did with the Navi launch is simply what would be necessary to initiate price fixing.
 
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Yeah AMD has let down people back to back with Vega and Navi. Nvidia simply capitalized on it, although people who bought Nvidia RTX cards at ridiculous prices are to blame as well.
Check out this tweet as well.
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