[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[lobz]

Seriously RT which is MAYBE playable on a 2080 ti at 1440p/4k suddenly is the reason why cards like the Super 2070 will outsell Navi like hot cakes!

I have to assume you were just joking with RT @ 4K. At 1440p it's a stretch and only somewhat playable @ 1080p, which I find hilarious, consindering ppl paid 1200 dollars for that card.

 

[psolord]

As someone very joyfully said on Twitter


Navi's back on the menu boys!

I hope both Navi and Turing will get even cheaper though.

 

[Mopetar]

Eventually we’ll see a larger Navi (probably next year) and that’s going to help prices on the high end as well.

AMD still has some work to do, but at least they’ve got something that looks competitive this time around.

 

[mopardude87]

I have to assume you were just joking with RT @ 4K. At 1440p it's a stretch and only somewhat playable @ 1080p, which I find hilarious, consindering ppl paid 1200 dollars for that card.

I did mention MAYBE cause the pc overlord i mentioned earlier with his 65'' 4k t.v finds a slideshow playable. Playable i guess is highly subjective but i will go out on a limb here and certainly say 1440/4k RT for the masses is not really playable and i certainly count myself in that group.

I got to revisit the 1080p benchmarks for 2080ti RT performance, i hear about RT tanking at this resolution and have trouble believing its really that bad lol.

 

[linkgoron]

At $399, the 5700XT is a much more compelling product. It should be better (10% at least) than the 2060S, while having similar (probably a bit worse I assume) perf/watt. The 5700 will probably be even stronger vs the 2060 at $350, especially with more memory as well. Both are still too high for a Polaris replacement with a 251mm^2 GPU, but at least it looks like they're going to offer something better for gaming than Nvidia for the same price (vs the launch prices of Radeon 7, or Vega 64 etc).

 

[Shivansps]

Either they playing this way, or it was the plan from the start...

First you defend to the death the Navi price saying it is was COST and Vega replacement, now AMD is slashing the prices so the 5700XT is now the RTX2060 Super competitor instead of RTX2070 you are saying this was planned from the start? AMD itself prove your wrong twice here:

1) is not Vega replacement it is xx60 car competitor thus Polaris 10 replacement, this is the final confirmation.
2) cost was never the issue.

I told you this 200 times you should have accepted it when you could. Now is too late, if the rumor is true.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Wow, nice, some pre-sales price cuts already. Maybe I'll be looking for one of these, maybe a 5700XT. I hate to spend so much on a GPU though, I'm more a customer of $250 GPUs, although I did splash out for a GTX 1070ti for mining back in late 2017/early 2018, and I sold it six months later for what I paid for it (minus shipping).

Whatever, sounds like a fun little upgrade coming down the pipeline.

 

[piesquared]

The 5700 series was a good deal even at its current price; perf/$ leader. If they were trolling nvidia and the price is even cheaper then these should sell really well.

Nvidia needs to lower their prices. They've been gouging consumers for far too long.

 

[Glo.]

First you defend to the death the Navi price saying it is was COST and Vega replacement, now AMD is slashing the prices so the 5700XT is now the RTX2060 Super competitor instead of RTX2070 you are saying this was planned from the start? AMD itself prove your wrong twice here:

1) is not Vega replacement it is xx60 car competitor thus Polaris 10 replacement, this is the final confirmation.
2) cost was never the issue.

I told you this 200 times you should have accepted it when you could. Now is too late, if the rumor is true.

And I am actually really disappointed, as a tech business enthusiast, that AMD is slashing prices. That way they would earn more money.

 

[Det0x]

More benchmarks (in spanish)

RTX SUPER vs RADEON NAVI: Primeras Comparativas 2070 vs 5700 XT + NAVI no Despegará Comercialmente

According to their chart:


*edit*

I have to question the large cap between RTX 2070 non-S and RTX 2070 S in Metro Exodus tho, seems to be a mistake/error/fake..

I'm also reading AMD is sending a driver update with better performance out to reviewers today, something the reviewers wouldn't be that happy with since they have to rerun all tests.

 

[Thala]

Seriously RT which is MAYBE playable on a 2080 ti at 1440p/4k suddenly is the reason why cards like the Super 2070 will outsell Navi like hot cakes!
Been a minute though since i checked 1080p resolutions given i have been at 1440p then at 4k for quite a bit of time. Some jackal somewhere may have some warrant suggesting the Super 2070 for a niche setting at 1080p in a few select titles though.

RT is very playable on the vanilla RTX2060. 1080p 60fps with Raytracing high in Metro Exodus for example. You can go higher when sacrificing some framerate like 1440p @40fps or so. But there is nothing different than with any other image enhancing option, you sacrifice some resolution and or framerate and gain significantly better lighting in return.

Except of course that with Navi you just dont have this option at all.

So spare your "playable only on RTX2080TI" argument, because its nonsense.

And yes, i would not buy a gfx card without raytracing support today. Not just because the overwhelmingly great global illumination implementation in Metro Exodus, but also because i am looking forward to the upcoming AAA titles with raytracing support.

 

[lifeblood]

I’m semi skeptical of the price cut and very skeptical of the rumored new driver. Before every AMD launch the hype train goes into high gear with rumored performance unlocking drivers and such. This may be more of the same.

Hopefully it’s true, but I’m taking it with a definite grain of salt.

(Edited for spelling)

 

[lobz]

RT is very playable on the vanilla RTX2060. 1080p 60fps with Raytracing high in Metro Exodus for example. You can go higher when sacrificing some framerate like 1440p @40fps or so. But there is nothing different than with any other image enhancing option, you sacrifice some resolution and or framerate and gain significantly better lighting in return.

Except of course that with Navi you just dont have this option at all.

So spare your "playable only on RTX2080TI" argument, because its nonsense.

And yes, i would not buy a gfx card without raytracing support today. Not just because the overwhelmingly great global illumination implementation in Metro Exodus, but also because i am looking forward to the upcoming AAA titles with raytracing support.

I didn't even know where to begin... then I read your comment again, especially the last part and realized, this is the internet, I need my nerves for a lot more decades to come, and that this forum has a wonderful feature called ignore. Have fun playing rt on a 2060. Ciao

 

[mohit9206]

As someone very joyfully said on Twitter


Navi's back on the menu boys!

I hope both Navi and Turing will get even cheaper though.

Navi is not back on the menu. Keeping your money in your pockets and not let companies gouge you is on the menu. Navi 5700 at $300 will be on the menu because that's where it should be(same for Turing).

 

[crisium]

If true, $400 is looking much better and we will actually have performance-per-dollar meaningfully improved compared to Nvidia.

I still want a cut down version at $300 or below, so I won't celebrate this as a major victory for consumers, but a win nevertheless.

5700 at $350 is a bit odd to me. Enthusiasts know that it'll close the gap with the 5700 XT when both are OC'd (based on history, it should be close to 95% as fast max OC vs max OC). But $50 on top of $350 isn't titanic a jump either, so how compelling is it of an option? I guess the real answer is more compelling than the 2060 which is effectively a pointless buy unless you have G Sync. 6GB and it really can't handle ray-tracing that well. For an objective consumer without G Sync, I don't see any purpose in the 2060. 2060S vs 5700 XT will then be a battle between Nvidia features vs raw traditional performance at $400. So consumers have some better options now.

 

[railven]

Obviously, forum warriors made them change their minds.

But the BoM! The increasing costs of nodes! AMD can't undersell NV. They have the better product, they don't want to be the value brand!

Haha. Definitely been a fun roller coaster.

 

[Kenmitch]

But the BoM! The increasing costs of nodes! AMD can't undersell NV. They have the better product, they don't want to be the value brand!

Haha. Definitely been a fun roller coaster.

Nobody's happy these days with prices. Wait it out or pay to play. Not like a person has to buy, but one's still has the option to complain.

 

[tviceman]

I'll be interested in the 5700 XT if the power consumption is right. I have a mini
ITX build (Dan A4) and noise levels are a real concern to me. Running an EVGA 1070 dual fan and it's whisper quiet now.

 

[coercitiv]

I am actually really disappointed, as a tech business enthusiast

This is a tech enthusiast forum, we buy products not stocks.

 

[Thala]

I didn't even know where to begin... then I read your comment again, especially the last part and realized, this is the internet, I need my nerves for a lot more decades to come, and that this forum has a wonderful feature called ignore. Have fun playing rt on a 2060. Ciao

I dont even have an RTX2060, but thanks for reminding me of very welcome forum features!
But sure, if you are running out of arguments, feel free to ignore my posts ...

 

[mopardude87]

RT is very playable on the vanilla RTX2060. 1080p 60fps with Raytracing high in Metro Exodus for example.

BF5 right out the gate required Texture quality at 1080p on the 2060 to be dropped cause of saturated vram usage. For a solid 60+ without drops oh yeah i have been hearing you really do need the 2080ti for 1080p. Oh yeah of course you can drop other settings but textures should not be one of them on a then brand new gpu.

I found my 1070ti overkill for 1080p for what i played,it honestly could have served as a 144hz card assuming i still had a 1080 144hz. Now that i sit at 4k i certainly am over RT cause of its performance tax and honestly i haven't seen any game of interest with it featured yet. I own BF5 and honestly think its the worst BF to date so i still play BF4. I only drop effects to low and shut off mssa and its 60+ constant there with all else on ultra. Msaa makes little different at 4k on a 28'' anyways.

I rather enjoy a potentially beautiful 5700XT experience across my entire library then lock myself to RT so what i can keep BF5 being my only RT title uninstalled cause of how trash it is. Such a technology needs a master piece of a game to show it off, the saying graphics don't make a good game rings true.

 

[Paratus]

And I am actually really disappointed, as a tech business enthusiast, that AMD is slashing prices. That way they would earn more money.

I’ve got two hypotheses about what’s going on here.

The facts are AMD publicly provided expected MSRP for each 57XX card and a pretty detailed comparative performance breakdown against their NV competitor.

NV then responded by releasing improved Turing cards to match up against that public price/performance data on the new AMD cards ostensibly to put AMD one the backfoot at launch.

Hypothesis 1 is AMD shot themselves in the foot by taking so long with NAVI that new Turing cards were designed and manufactured in time for Navi’s release and announcing price/performance so early that NV had time to price their new cards to take the wind out of AMDs launch.

This assumes that the originally announced prices of $450/$380 were the estimated peak of the demand / cost curve and now AMD will have to lose profit to keep their meager marketshare. What a screw up.


Hypothesis 2 is knowing they were already way behind NV there was no way to launch Navi without NV making a counter move around that launch. By very publicly making the 57XX price/performance data available they caused NV to make their move now.

By announcing pricing of the 57XX series more in line with the 20XX series than expected they could partially control the pricing of NVs response. With no pressure to drop prices NV didn’t, they just provided more performance at the same price. Quite frankly I think NV was actually sandbagging with the Turing launch of the 2060 and 2070 due to the 2060 being a cut down TU106 and the 2070 NOT being a cut down TU104

Moving on, with the NV response out of the way AMD cans drop the proposed prices to $400/$350. Which allows AMD to sell a faster, smaller, non-HBM GPU at the same price they launched the RX Vega 56 at. In this hypothesis these are likely the prices they were looking to sell at in the first place.

I also think they are playing the performance of the 57XX series conservatively based on the noise normalized blower cooler. If you are willing to deal with more noise or aftermarket coolers there’s probably a bit more performance available.

So the end result is AMD gets the price/performance crown in those segments with a health profit margin per GPU.

In support of this is Lisa Su has shown her self to be a savy CEO and this Forbes article which suggests they were leading NV on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ia-super-radeon-rx-5700-navi-price-drops/amp/

With this tweet from the head of the Radeon Unit (and formerly of NV).

 

[alexruiz]

I personally think the cards are fine, if a little higher priced than expected, but in the grand scheme, priced fairly for the performance they offer.

What boggles my mind, and something other fellow posters have addressed is why some people are arguing that the features offer by the RTX series "justify" their higher price, and why because Navi doesn't have them then it is doomed:

- Ray tracing: There is not a game that can use it and maintain playable game settings yet with the existing cards.
- DLSS: Blurry images? pass, thank you.
These are cool features, but of little impact in real life, and hence, of minimal added value.

Navi doesn't need those "cool, but of very little impact features" , because, in the end, it will be pure performance on existing games what defines exactly how good Navi is.

I am expecting a major emphasis on delivering very good drivers at launch. AMD knows we don't need a Hawaii repeat, and I am sure Lisa should have already set this as a a priority.

I am also expecting that the announced prices WILL NOT be the prices when cards are available. AMD should have already accounted for the "super" RTXs, and once they emerge, the RX 5700 will adjust accordingly to the prices that AMD planned initially:
RX 5700 XT $399
RX 5700 $319

We will see

Well, seems that I got the RX 5700 XT launch price right, missed the RX 5700 by $30
I know some other posters EXPECTED that the launch price would not be the announced prices.

Now onto launch day drivers, which I also expect to be good.
2 more days

 

[Thala]

BF5 right out the gate required Texture quality at 1080p on the 2060 to be dropped cause of saturated vram usage. For a solid 60+ without drops oh yeah i have been hearing you really do need the 2080ti for 1080p. Oh yeah of course you can drop other settings but textures should not be one of them on a then brand new gpu.

I was specifically referring to Metro Exodus, where Raytracing is used to its biggest effect. If we are talking reflections only i do think that the potential of raytracing is not properly used at all.
In addition i was particularly referring to ridiculous statements like RT on an RTX2060 not beeing viable.

 

[mopardude87]

Oh what are the chances of a 2060/2070 Super price cut today or this weekend in time for the 7th? Oh man i got some popcorn and am ready for any possible fireworks. Even got some beer left from yesterday to go with it!