[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[Mopetar]

I’m feeling a little concerned at the general lack of leaks. Look at Matisse where we’ve had several different leaks come out compared to Navi where there’s really only been one.

They both launch on the same day so it’s not as though the 5700XT is farther out. The previews they did show were closer to launch as well, so it’s hard to believe there will be additional improvements like with the early Zen 2 demos.

Hopefully RDNA is at least a good starting point for AMD going forward. They won’t be quite as cash strapped and I hope they reinvest in their GPU division.

 

[Kenmitch]

I’m feeling a little concerned at the general lack of leaks. Look at Matisse where we’ve had several different leaks come out compared to Navi where there’s really only been one.

They both launch on the same day so it’s not as though the 5700XT is farther out. The previews they did show were closer to launch as well, so it’s hard to believe there will be additional improvements like with the early Zen 2 demos.

Hopefully RDNA is at least a good starting point for AMD going forward. They won’t be quite as cash strapped and I hope they reinvest in their GPU division.

No leaks doesn't mean anything. AMD is rising from the ashes currently. Any credible reviewers won't want to get on AMD's bad side by jumping the gun.

 

[lifeblood]

Were just a few days away from launch. Anyone want to make price guesses?

As only blower style cards are going to initially be sold I expect the street prices to match MSRP. I don’t expect AMD to adjust MSRP for the actual launch. I don’t expect enough cards to be sold to cause the street prices to raise because most people don’t want blower style cards.

Once custom or semi-custom cards come out in 4-6 weeks, what the price does depends on whether Nvidia’s “super” cards are out. Assuming they are I expect the prices to stay stable at MSRP for reference (non-overclocked) cards.

(Edited for clarification)

 

[Stuka87]

The Super cards launch on July 23rd. AIB Navi cards will be announced by then, but not sure they will be for sale.

 

[Mopetar]

No leaks doesn't mean anything. AMD is rising from the ashes currently. Any credible reviewers won't want to get on AMD's bad side by jumping the gun.

Wouldn't the same be true for Ryzen 3000 leaks then? My point isn't that there's a plethora or dearth of leaks, but that one product line is seeing a lot more than the other and I suspect that's telling.

Were just a few days away from launch. Anyone want to make price guesses?

I think they'll keep prices the same, if only because the performance will position them between the 2060 Super and 2070 Super and they probably don't want to connotation that it's an inferior product that would accompany an immediate price drop. Instead what they'll do is add in free games or something along those lines if they feel that the value proposition isn't quite where it needs to be relative to the new competition. Then they can play it off as though that was always something they were going to do and that their card is competitive and they don't need to adjust the price to compensate.

 

[Kenmitch]

Wouldn't the same be true for Ryzen 3000 leaks then? My point isn't that there's a plethora or dearth of leaks, but that one product line is seeing a lot more than the other and I suspect that's telling.

I don't know? I guess we'll find out soon enough. The excitement seems more geared towards Ryzen 3xxx currently so maybe it's why.

 

[Glo.]

Interesting HardwareCanucks video theorycrafting about Navi performance.

 

[railven]

The Super cards launch on July 23rd. AIB Navi cards will be announced by then, but not sure they will be for sale.

I thought I read July 9th in AT review:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14586/geforce-rtx-2070-super-rtx-2060-super-review

When they are released on July 9th, the GeForce RTX 20 series Super cards are going to be sharing store shelves with the rest of the GeForce RTX 20 series cards.

 

[Bouowmx]

Alternative way to look at GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER vs Radeon RX 5700 XT: is the RX 5700 XT going to be faster than Radeon VII? No. Then the RX 5700 XT won't be faster than the RTX 2070 S.

 

[Kenmitch]

I thought I read July 9th in AT review:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14586/geforce-rtx-2070-super-rtx-2060-super-review

Looks like they cranked up the TDP on the Super offerings.

 

[Head1985]

 

[joesiv]

Looks like they cranked up the TDP on the Super offerings.

More like they just rebranded the next levels cards down a tier, reusing some defective dies by dropping core counts, and upping clocks to compensate.

Given they already have different silicon versions (A versions), and now they're releasing cut down version of the dies (but branded to make it look like upgrades), turing yields must be really bad.

 

[Tup3x]

I do hope that Intel could shake the market and break the duopoly next year. If the competition starts to get fierce the prices should go down (and performance go up).

 

[lobz]

I do hope that Intel could shake the market and break the duopoly next year. If the competition starts to get fierce the prices should go down (and performance go up).

if you're waiting for intel to be a force that brings prices down, you better pile up some supplies, because by the time when stores will cease to exist, you might still be waiting

 

[Tup3x]

if you're waiting for intel to be a force that brings prices down, you better pile up some supplies, because by the time when stores will cease to exist, you might still be waiting

I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate them. It looks like they are rather seriously trying to enter in discrete GPU market. Intel has almost endless amount of resources and probably more than enough capable people. It would be rather naive to think that they do all this just to compete against GTX 1050.

 

[Kenmitch]

I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate them. It looks like they are rather seriously trying to enter in discrete GPU market. Intel has almost endless amount of resources and probably more than enough capable people. It would be rather naive to think that they do all this just to compete against GTX 1050.

Almost, but it's going to dwindle away over time. Every sale for AMD hurts Intel in the long run. Intel having to give more for less hurts them in the long run. People can argue till they turn blue, but in the end it's really the way it is. Not saying doomsday for Intel nor denying the possibility of it, but there future will surely be way more challenging than their past.

 

[Glo.]

I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate them. It looks like they are rather seriously trying to enter in discrete GPU market. Intel has almost endless amount of resources and probably more than enough capable people. It would be rather naive to think that they do all this just to compete against GTX 1050.

Intel is the company that is famous for targetting Price Margins. Why do you guys suddenly believe with their GPUs it will be different story?

And why do you believe that GDDDR6 prices will make Intel manufacture cheap GPUs?

GPU prices from this moment on, with each new generation will go up.

 

[Stuka87]

I thought I read July 9th in AT review:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14586/geforce-rtx-2070-super-rtx-2060-super-review

You are right, the article I grabbed that from was for the 2080S only.

 

[Ajay]

Were just a few days away from launch. Anyone want to make price guesses?

As only blower style cards are going to initially be sold I expect the street prices to match MSRP. I don’t expect AMD to adjust MSRP for the actual launch. I don’t expect enough cards to be sold to cause the street prices to raise because most people don’t want blower style cards.

Once custom or semi-custom cards come out in 4-6 weeks, what the price does depends on whether Nvidia’s “super” cards are out. Assuming they are I expect the prices to stay stable at MSRP for reference (non-overclocked) cards.

Be easier to gauge once reviews are out. All depends on how the 5700s stack up. Nvidia was pretty smart with their 'Super' updates.

 

[lobz]

I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate them. It looks like they are rather seriously trying to enter in discrete GPU market. Intel has almost endless amount of resources and probably more than enough capable people. It would be rather naive to think that they do all this just to compete against GTX 1050.

I have no doubt about any of what you have said, but none of that has to do anything with what I've said

 

[guachi]

Based on that Hardware Canucks video:

Solely based on the six benchmarks in the video and their extrapolation of Navi performance based on AMD's E3 presentation:

5700XT is 98% as fast as the 2070 Super for 90% of the price (the BF5 result is really helping here)
The 5700 XT is 113% as fast as the 2060 Super for 112.5% of the cost.
The 5700 is 84% as fast as the 2070 Super for 76% of the cost.
The 5700 is 97% as fast as the 2060 Super for 95% of the cost.

The AMD cards are ever so slightly better values and the 5700XT looks to be very competitive.

If AMD could pull off a $30 price reduction then the Super cards would be completely DOA.

 

[Ajay]

Edit: was meant to be funny, but I guess I came off as a mean poster.

 

[guachi]

Yes, they would be. AMD (again, if the extrapolation is accurate) already have better fps/$ with the 5700XT and equal with the 5700. If the price were $30 lower there would be no question as to who had the better value.

Buying the nVidia card, unless you just gotta have ray tracing, would be silly. It likely won't use less power, it would be 5% faster for 15% more money. What would the value proposition in buying the nVidia card be? You really like the color green?

 

[beginner99]

Intel is the company that is famous for targetting Price Margins. Why do you guys suddenly believe with their GPUs it will be different story?

Because in brand valu ein GPU space, there are 3rd tier and with AMD jacking up prices to NV levels, intel can easily get good margins even with being a bit cheaper than the other 2. If intel just offers similar performance/$, only couple hard core fans will buy their gpus. Essential same with AMD. If they don't lower prices of the 5700, only couple fanboys will buy it over a nv super card.

 

[DrMrLordX]

intel can easily get good margins even with being a bit cheaper than the other 2.

AMD could do that right now, especially if other posters are correct in their estimates that a 5700XT only has a BoM of ~$200. Selling that thing for $300 would be a cakewalk, would move a ton of cards onto the market, and make it easy for AMD to recover on design costs. Yet AMD isn't doing that. What makes you think Intel will do the same? We don't even know exactly what process they'll use for their consumer dGPUs in 2020 (heaven help us if it's Intel 10nm).