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Roswell ufo crash real or fake?
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With vast numbers of stars, & probably vaster numbers of planets, it's irrational (nuts) to insist our Earth has the only life.
In absence of data, you have to make the best guess you can about the OP question.
The most rational guess is that our Earth is at the mean of the distribution of conditions throughout the universe . . .so best guess is we're the average case.
For a guess absent data, it's irrational to assume we're like 5 standard deviations away from the mean, unless some data supports that extreme situation.
Yes there is life throughout the universe.
Roswell ...hmmm, we just don't know. What I've heard has me leaning towards "yes, an alien craft was recovered there."
In absence of data, you have to make the best guess you can about the OP question.
The most rational guess is that our Earth is at the mean of the distribution of conditions throughout the universe . . .so best guess is we're the average case.
For a guess absent data, it's irrational to assume we're like 5 standard deviations away from the mean, unless some data supports that extreme situation.
Yes there is life throughout the universe.
Roswell ...hmmm, we just don't know. What I've heard has me leaning towards "yes, an alien craft was recovered there."
imported_Reck
Golden Member
:disgust:
Of course it may have not occured to you that I have looked at the evidence eh? High ranking military officals have even hinted at what it is...and what about the hundred and hundreds of eye witnesses? You're so damn close minded even if a piece of evidence fell on your lap you'd deny it.
imported_Reck
Golden Member
And another thing...if you've actually looked at all the evidence, you'd see that these craft are not just present on the surface of earth but also in the atmosphere surrounding the planet. Just look at the NASA footage. So therefor you cannot say it's one of our craft...unless the government has some kind of technology that's thousands of years in the future. Hmm...
Also check out the "disclosure project" dvd as well. Very high ranking officals in the US government have testified(before congress?) these craft do not orginate from our planet.
Also check out the "disclosure project" dvd as well. Very high ranking officals in the US government have testified(before congress?) these craft do not orginate from our planet.
Why is it that all the lunatic fringe groups use the same arguing tactics? Whenever you don't buy into their conspiracy theories, you're just not being "open minded". How come being open minded requires you to believe in crazy stories?
I think you're the one who is closed minded because you continue to believe in fairy tales even when the overwhelming amount of evidence out there points to it NOT being true. You're gullible enough to be fooled by slanted, poorly made documentaries. That doesn't make you open minded, that makes you a fool.
From what I've gathered the crash was real, but what actually crashed was a top secret USAF experimental craft. It was made "hush hush" for obvious reasons. Because the military didn't want to release specific info about the crash, people speculated it was a UFO. Remember, at that time UFO sightings were big in the news and made big headlines. Unlike today where people basically shrug that kind of stuff off.
I think you're just a member of the 'tinfoil hat" crowd. You make it sound like there's loads of clearcut evidence pointing out that UFO's exist.
Yet when scientists and other intelligent people looked at the potential "evidence", it' always turned out to be either completely faked or inconclusive. Most rational people can understand this, but unfortunately there is a percentage of the population not sane enough to figure this out.
If the evidence was real, you'd have nearly everyone believing in it, and not just a small group of lunatics and/or idiots.
imported_Reck
Golden Member
Damn my computer just crashed and I lost my whole post. 🙁
Anyhow though...do you not realize there is tons of data that has not be debunked by scientists? Photographs,videos,physical evidence etc. As for fake evidence, that's why I highly recommended you watch the footage taken from NASA itself. The only reason at all why it was ever released is because a man privately monitored NASA's space shuttle transmissions. NASA was none too please it got released to the pubic.
Btw you do realize it's not just some "fairy tale" right? I don't think you do...so lemme explain. Ufos(in the sense of "flying saucers") are very real...they physically exist in reality. Do you also not realize there are scientists who have dedicated their life to researching this? Apparently not.
Hm and like I mentioned before, it's not just the "tin foil hat" crowd that's making claims but also high ranking US government officials. Such as Colonels and multiple star generals. Are they crazy too? Gimme a break. It's kinda funny that it's perfectly acceptable to believe in a god that no man has ever seen with their eyes, yet when it comes to something with completely tangible evidence, it's unacceptable to believe in.
Ah and one more thing...it's funny you say it's only a small fringe of the population that believe in such things. A poll done recently concluded that 55 to 60% of americans believe the earth is being visited by extraterrestrials.
Malak
Lifer
Reck, yes there are UFO's. UFO stands for unidentified flying objects. That doesn't mean they are aliens. Sure, there could have been a UFO for all of 15 seconds at Roswell, until someone got on the horn because they knew just what it was. But that was a lifetime ago, nobody cares, and whatever happened hasn't seemed to affect us in anyway. This is perhaps the most boring subject that so many people are obsessed with.
Doesn't surprise me. If half the people score better than average on the bell curve, the other half will score worse than average.
BTW, feel free to produce all this "evidence". Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I've seen some of the "evidence" and it's not convincing at all.
imported_Reck
Golden Member
*coughs* roswell is boring, but it's only the tip of the iceberg as far as the subject of ufos is concerned. There are many many more incidents than roswell that are nearly as important. Roswell is not the even close to being the only time when the government was actively involved in capturing and confiscating one of these craft. If it's not so important...then why has the government threatened to kill ordinary citizens over such things? Would such secrecy be granted to covert military craft? I'm not an expert on government procedure but I doubt it.
Anyhow I don't really see this thread going anywhere...🙁
JeffreyLebowski
Lifer
How many commerical airliners log millions of miles and the crash on landing? I wouldn't say lots but it does happen, be it mechanical failure, or pilot error.
imported_Reck
Golden Member
How the hell can you say that? Even if I don't jump to the most extreme conclusion of such things...it's pretty safe to say that the US government has some kind of incredibly advanced technologies at it's disposal. That makes the publicly acknowledged aircraft look like child play. If the govenment really is behind the entire thing...why the heck don't they deploy such technologies into actual combat? That is a very interesting question.
There are really only two explanations for such things...your government is lying through it's teeth (and treating people completely like sheep) or there are visitors. If it's the first of the options, then well tons and tons of people have been killed over this secrecy (by not deploying such tchnologies into combat). That would also mean the entire NASA space program would be a complete farce as well.
http://ufoevidence.org/photographs/photohome.asp
There a few pictures and stuff.
imported_Reck
Golden Member
how are you qualified to say what's fake and what's not? LOL.
Well, I really don't know much about Roswell, I would lean more on fake than real. But as for personal experience, here is my short story.
Summer of 2004. Living in PA at the time. It was about 1:30-2:00 AM during the week. My friend Ross and I had decided to go fishing at the local Park. (Big lake, lots of bass). We had been there about an hour and a half. We had each smoked some MJ, so we were having a great time. We moved from the edge of the lake to a dock a little ways away. While sitting on the dock, shooting the sh!t, I was looking up at the clear sky. I was admiring the stars when I saw something out of the corner of my eye. It came into view and I did a double0take. At first, i passes it off as just another plane. But the thing that perplexed me about it was that there were no flashing lights, no sound coming from it, and it was flying pretty low. Average speed. It was just a ball of yellowish light. I immediately got up and started running towards it. I wanted to get closer to it. It was moving away from us, and was now above a stripped corn field. I ran as fast as I could to keep up with it, and the entire time it got pretty low in altitude. I'd say....40-50 feet. I chased it enough and it continued on into the distance. Ross had been trying to keep up with me, and he was just as amazed as I was.
Now nobody even go to say that it was some hallucination from the MJ. I have been a long-time user and have never seen something that wasn't there. I know this was real. To this day I have no idea what exactly it was, but it made no sound whatsoever and had no discernable mass to it. Normally I never think about UFO's, but when it happens to you, its hard to pass it by.
Summer of 2004. Living in PA at the time. It was about 1:30-2:00 AM during the week. My friend Ross and I had decided to go fishing at the local Park. (Big lake, lots of bass). We had been there about an hour and a half. We had each smoked some MJ, so we were having a great time. We moved from the edge of the lake to a dock a little ways away. While sitting on the dock, shooting the sh!t, I was looking up at the clear sky. I was admiring the stars when I saw something out of the corner of my eye. It came into view and I did a double0take. At first, i passes it off as just another plane. But the thing that perplexed me about it was that there were no flashing lights, no sound coming from it, and it was flying pretty low. Average speed. It was just a ball of yellowish light. I immediately got up and started running towards it. I wanted to get closer to it. It was moving away from us, and was now above a stripped corn field. I ran as fast as I could to keep up with it, and the entire time it got pretty low in altitude. I'd say....40-50 feet. I chased it enough and it continued on into the distance. Ross had been trying to keep up with me, and he was just as amazed as I was.
Now nobody even go to say that it was some hallucination from the MJ. I have been a long-time user and have never seen something that wasn't there. I know this was real. To this day I have no idea what exactly it was, but it made no sound whatsoever and had no discernable mass to it. Normally I never think about UFO's, but when it happens to you, its hard to pass it by.
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