Ron Pauls "What if" speech. Wow!

[HeXploiT]

More than anything else I enjoy listening to Paul address his fellow congressman. He isn't the best speaker but he's a phenomenal speech writer and Pauls "What if" speech is a fine example of this.

What if?

Statement of Congressman Ron Paul

United States House of Representatives

What If?

February 12, 2009



What if we wake up one day and realize that the terrorist threat is a predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others?

What if propping up repressive regimes in the Middle East endangers both the United States and Israel?

What if occupying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan ? and bombing Pakistan ? is directly related to the hatred directed toward us and has nothing to do with being free and prosperous?

What if someday it dawns on us that losing over 5,000 American military personnel in the Middle East since 9/11 is not a fair trade-off for the loss of nearly 3,000 American citizens, no matter how many Iraqi, Pakistani, and Afghan people are killed or displaced?

What if we finally decide that torture, even if called ?enhanced interrogation techniques,? is self-destructive and produces no useful information ? and that contracting it out to a third world nation is just as evil?

What if it is finally realized that war and military spending is always destructive to the economy?

What if all wartime spending is paid for through the deceitful and evil process of inflating and borrowing?

What if we finally see that wartime conditions always undermine personal liberty?

What if conservatives, who preach small government, wake up and realize that our interventionist foreign policy provides the greatest incentive to expand the government?

What if conservatives understood once again that their only logical position is to reject military intervention and managing an empire throughout the world?

What if the American people woke up and understood that the official reasons for going to war are almost always based on lies and promoted by war propaganda in order to serve special interests?

What if we as a nation came to realize that the quest for empire eventually destroys all great nations?

What if Obama has no intention of leaving Iraq?

What if a military draft is being planned for the wars that will spread if our foreign policy is not changed?

What if the American people learn the truth: that our foreign policy has nothing to do with national security and that it never changes from one administration to the next?

What if war and preparation for war is a racket serving the special interests?

What if President Obama is completely wrong about Afghanistan and it turns out worse than Iraq and Vietnam put together?

What if Christianity actually teaches peace and not preventive wars of aggression?

What if diplomacy is found to be superior to bombs and bribes in protecting America?

What happens if my concerns are completely unfounded ? nothing!

What happens if my concerns are justified and ignored ? nothing good!

 

[JS80]

what a nutjob

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

I applaud your well-reasoned argument.

 

[bamacre]

Good speech.

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

He voted against the war in Iraq.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against every single unbalanced budget he has been able to.
He voted against the deregulation that helped cause this economic mess.
He spoke out against the artificial low interest rates that helped cause this economic mess.
He voted against all these bailouts and "stimulus packages."

I could go on. It seems that Paul isn't the nutjob. The real nutjobs are those ruining this country, and those who continue voting for them.

 

[Rustler]

Typical respone if you can have a reasoned arguement...then call names, racist, nut job ect..................................

 

[Xavier434]

Ron Paul would not represent me hardly at all. Therefore, it is very unlikely that he will ever get my vote.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Good speech.

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

He voted against the war in Iraq.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against every single unbalanced budget he has been able to.
He voted against the deregulation that helped cause this economic mess.
He spoke out against the artificial low interest rates that helped cause this economic mess.
He voted against all these bailouts and "stimulus packages."

I could go on. It seems that Paul isn't the nutjob. The real nutjobs are those ruining this country, and those who continue voting for them.

No, he's still a nutjob. And he voted for deregulation and is about as pro-life nutty as you can get. He represents about 2% of the population at most, mostly the ones pining for 19th century American lifestyles.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Evan
And he voted for deregulation

Paul opposed and voted against the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

Originally posted by: Evan
19th century American lifestyles.

Ironic, because your system is exactly what will be sending us all back to "19th century American lifestyles."

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre
Good speech.

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

He voted against the war in Iraq.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against every single unbalanced budget he has been able to.
He voted against the deregulation that helped cause this economic mess.
He spoke out against the artificial low interest rates that helped cause this economic mess.
He voted against all these bailouts and "stimulus packages."

I could go on. It seems that Paul isn't the nutjob. The real nutjobs are those ruining this country, and those who continue voting for them.

No, he's still a nutjob. And he voted for deregulation and is about as pro-life nutty as you can get. He represents about 2% of the population at most, mostly the ones pining for 19th century American lifestyles.

I don't know about pauls non-economic beliefs, but I think that single issue voting is quite toxic.....

I can look at any politician and find similar discrepancies with my opinions..

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre
Good speech.

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

He voted against the war in Iraq.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against every single unbalanced budget he has been able to.
He voted against the deregulation that helped cause this economic mess.
He spoke out against the artificial low interest rates that helped cause this economic mess.
He voted against all these bailouts and "stimulus packages."

I could go on. It seems that Paul isn't the nutjob. The real nutjobs are those ruining this country, and those who continue voting for them.

No, he's still a nutjob. And he voted for deregulation and is about as pro-life nutty as you can get. He represents about 2% of the population at most, mostly the ones pining for 19th century American lifestyles.

There is lot that can be argued in support of or against Ron Paul, but that fact right there is the reason nearly everything he says and does will mean very little at the end. I am not saying he should cease to continue his efforts, but people need to be realistic too.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
I don't know about pauls non-economic beliefs, but I think that single issue voting is quite toxic.....

Paul supports leaving that to states, that the federal government has no jurisdiction.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Good speech.

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

He voted against the war in Iraq.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against every single unbalanced budget he has been able to.
He voted against the deregulation that helped cause this economic mess.
He spoke out against the artificial low interest rates that helped cause this economic mess.
He voted against all these bailouts and "stimulus packages."

I could go on. It seems that Paul isn't the nutjob. The real nutjobs are those ruining this country, and those who continue voting for them.

He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan
And he voted for deregulation

Paul opposed and voted against the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

He wants to abolish the Fed, IRS, and SEC, and has voted exactly that way in the past, so no thinking person honestly believes he is for any sort of strict financial regulation. Well, except you apparently.

Ironic, because your system is exactly what will be sending us all back to "19th century American lifestyles."

Surrrre. Don't feel bad when I bump garbage like this within the next year.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre
Good speech.

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

He voted against the war in Iraq.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against every single unbalanced budget he has been able to.
He voted against the deregulation that helped cause this economic mess.
He spoke out against the artificial low interest rates that helped cause this economic mess.
He voted against all these bailouts and "stimulus packages."

I could go on. It seems that Paul isn't the nutjob. The real nutjobs are those ruining this country, and those who continue voting for them.

No, he's still a nutjob. And he voted for deregulation and is about as pro-life nutty as you can get. He represents about 2% of the population at most, mostly the ones pining for 19th century American lifestyles.

I don't know about pauls non-economic beliefs, but I think that single issue voting is quite toxic.....

I can look at any politician and find similar discrepancies with my opinions..

That "single issue" has to do with essentially enslaving women as baby making machines under laws even the most spastic anti abortionists in the SC have decided are directly unconstitutional.

Not that that matters to the twats who don't give a fuck about rights except when it's THEIR rights though... you know, like you.

 

[Xavier434]

Most Americans want more government regulation that Ron Paul does. They may not necessarily want it to be the way it is today, but a lot of people believe that doing what Ron Paul wants is just trading one thing they don't like for something else that they don't like or maybe much much worse. What people really want is a reform of regulation that is more effective while allowing the free markets to do what they do best so that EVERYONE both rich and poor can reasonably progress and pursue happiness. Generally speaking, I think that Ron's solutions in today's America will do little more than make the rich richer and the poor poorer both in terms of individuals and states.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan
And he voted for deregulation

Paul opposed and voted against the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

He wants to abolish the Fed, IRS, and SEC, and has voted exactly that way in the past, so no thinking person honestly believes he is for any sort of strict financial regulation. Well, except you apparently.

Paul opposed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act because he knew that it would be damaging to our economy, he knew that the implications of doing so would be a disaster.

Yes, he supports, in general, deregulation, so one might think it ironic that he voted against this particular deregulation. But that is only because those people do not understand that he supports doing so in a RESPONSIBLE manner, in ways that do not cause harm to people or our economy. He understands there is a right way of doing things, and a wrong way of doing things.

In fact his opposing this legislation is a perfect example, not only of his understanding of our economic system, but also that he does not let his ideology get in the way of doing the right thing.

Ironic, because your system is exactly what will be sending us all back to "19th century American lifestyles."

Surrrre. Don't feel bad when I bump garbage like this within the next year.

Bump it. If you think we're gonna be out of this mess in 12 months, you're even dumber than I thought. Don't quit your day job.

 

[SAWYER]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan
And he voted for deregulation

Paul opposed and voted against the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

Originally posted by: Evan
19th century American lifestyles.

Ironic, because your system is exactly what will be sending us all back to "19th century American lifestyles."

So pro-life is nutty but abortion is not?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Ironic, because your system is exactly what will be sending us all back to "19th century American lifestyles."

Surrrre. Don't feel bad when I bump garbage like this within the next year.

Bump it. If you think we're gonna be out of this mess in 12 months, you're even dumber than I thought. Don't quit your day job.

12 months? Who is thinking that? People need to stop believing that everything is going to work out in 12 months if that is the case. They also need to stop believing that the stimulus is going to act as some kind of silver bullet even if it works 100% as intended. Likewise, those against the stimulus need to stop believing that all of its supporters think it is a silver bullet too. It could help a lot, but it is not going to fix everything on its own. It took many years for us to get into this mess and it is going to take a long time for us to get out of it. It is also going to take more action than this stimulus. Does that mean that "more action" means a ridiculous amount of money?

The bottom line here is that people need to get back to work first and they need to be spending. If we can do that then things won't necessarily be fixed yet but we will be off to a damn good start.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Sawyer

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan
And he voted for deregulation

Paul opposed and voted against the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

Originally posted by: Evan
19th century American lifestyles.

Ironic, because your system is exactly what will be sending us all back to "19th century American lifestyles."

So pro-life is nutty but abortion is not?

You don't want to have an abortion? Well the state won't force you to have one, that is the point, you, as a woman (or in your case some kind of nancy boy twattity twat) you have control over your own body rather than the state having control over it which some people think they should have.

Now click your heels and go away.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
So pro-life is nutty but abortion is not?

Did I say that? Personally, I think both arguments have merit. And I do agree with Paul that the Federal government has no jurisdiction on the matter. And honestly, this argument over abortion is overblown, there are much more important policies on which there should be more focus.

 

[SAWYER]

^^I think it is a woman's choice in the end but acting like people who don't like it and are against it are nutcases but people;e who don't mind the murder of a baby who can live on it's own is odd and twisted, and why are you so bitter? Every post I have seen by you, you are very angry, like the mod Harvey.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
(or in your case some kind of nancy boy twattity twat) you have control over your own body rather than the state having control over it which some people think they should have.

Now click your heels and go away.

lol

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

The injustice is taking away the property of Americans via force and using it to kill people overseas. Whether that killing is done by economic sanctions via Clinton, or invasion via Bush, it is wrong, causes hatred toward us, and makes it more dangerous for us at home, as those who seek revenge come here to carry it out.