Ron Pauls "What if" speech. Wow!

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

then in comparison, this confirms my assumption that you are the barely flageller, simple-metabolic protist that I always made you out for.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

The injustice is taking away the property of Americans via force and using it to kill people overseas. Whether that killing is done by economic sanctions via Clinton, or invasion via Bush, it is wrong, causes hatred toward us, and makes it more dangerous for us at home, as those who seek revenge come here to carry it out.

Call me biased and for injustice, I come from a country where American property was used to "kill" people in order to save my grandparents so that my parents and I could have a prosperous life.

OH CHEERIO I'M BRITISH! I HAVE AN ACCENT! I SOUND SO SMART! I AM ENLIGHTENED! I'M AN ATHEIST! OH YOU ARE ALL BLOODY IDIOTS!

yea good for you, go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

I really don't get all this jealousy you have towards us Britons, did your parents make you speak proper English as kids? Or did you have an English teacher who touched you in your naughty areas and you liked it so much that now you have to hate everything British just to be a good Mormon?

I feel sorry for your daughter. You should have just aborted her. I can't imagine living in Sheffield with someone like you.

Not too late mr enlightened solider! you can do a post birth abortion on her!

I didn't think anyone would sink this low to suggest that i should kill my own daughter but true "christians" are apparently without any kind of conscience.

You do realise that what you suggest is akin to an incitament for murder and that that is a federal crime? I'm not going to report your stupid arse this time but if you do it again you can bet your stupid arse that i will.

I will request that you stop posting for a while though, lets say a month.

 

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Originally posted by: bamacre


Paul opposed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act because he knew that it would be damaging to our economy, he knew that the implications of doing so would be a disaster.

Yes, he supports, in general, deregulation, so one might think it ironic that he voted against this particular deregulation. But that is only because those people do not understand that he supports doing so in a RESPONSIBLE manner, in ways that do not cause harm to people or our economy. He understands there is a right way of doing things, and a wrong way of doing things.

In fact his opposing this legislation is a perfect example, not only of his understanding of our economic system, but also that he does not let his ideology get in the way of doing the right thing.

Please explain in detail how abolishing the SEC and Fed shows an understanding of responsible regulation and economics. I can't wait to hear this.

Bump it. If you think we're gonna be out of this mess in 12 months, you're even dumber than I thought. Don't quit your day job.

Considering you and your ilk have gotten everything wrong in the last 12 months, I'm surprised you can still post stuff like this with a straight face.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I'm sorry but people who actually think they have a right to decide over a womans body ARE nutcases.

As long as we're talking about sucking out fetuses. The second she wants to put drugs in that body she goes to jail. Or if she wants to sell her body to someone else for sexual purposes that's illegal also. So really it's not her body, mostly it's just her womb.

The level of cognitive dissonance is staggering.

Wow BoberFett interesting point. Never thought of it like that before.

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

The injustice is taking away the property of Americans via force and using it to kill people overseas. Whether that killing is done by economic sanctions via Clinton, or invasion via Bush, it is wrong, causes hatred toward us, and makes it more dangerous for us at home, as those who seek revenge come here to carry it out.

Call me biased and for injustice, I come from a country where American property was used to "kill" people in order to save my grandparents so that my parents and I could have a prosperous life.

OH CHEERIO I'M BRITISH! I HAVE AN ACCENT! I SOUND SO SMART! I AM ENLIGHTENED! I'M AN ATHEIST! OH YOU ARE ALL BLOODY IDIOTS!

yea good for you, go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

I really don't get all this jealousy you have towards us Britons, did your parents make you speak proper English as kids? Or did you have an English teacher who touched you in your naughty areas and you liked it so much that now you have to hate everything British just to be a good Mormon?

I feel sorry for your daughter. You should have just aborted her. I can't imagine living in Sheffield with someone like you.

Not too late mr enlightened solider! you can do a post birth abortion on her!

Hey would you guys ease up please. I don't want my thread closed because of personal disputes.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Evan
bahhhh

There's no sense in arguing with you, as you are obviously uninformed and don't care to be. Even after I told you Paul voted against the deregulation spoken about above, you said he did. Either you are a liar, or you're just ignorant of facts, and still claim things that aren't true. You aren't worth my time.

 

[palehorse]

RP is definitely an over-the-top nutjob, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still consistently correct, or partially correct, on a shit-ton of issues -- the most pertinent being fiscal conservatism.

If it wasn't for his tendency to go wayyy overboard with his message -- ie. proposing to close every overseas military base, completely give up on Afghanistan, switch to a gold standard, etc -- I probably would have considered voting for him...

 

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Originally posted by: bamacre
I'm uninformed

Fixed. Really, that's all you had to say. No one here is surprised you wimped out on yet another debate about politics and economics. We get it, you're a fucking ideologue no matter the stats and practicalities.

 

[SAWYER]

Even RP detractors should applaud him for standing by his beliefs, that is more than we can say about a majority of politicians.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Evan
Blahhh!

The only one here who is uninformed is you, and that's been proven with your either dishonest or ignorant statements.

Get a clue, research before you open your mouth. You'll look less foolish.

 

[BansheeX]

Evan's just mad that the DOW priced in gold has gone from 46 to 8.5 oz in the last ten years, another new low for the move yesterday. Takes some serious balls, though, to defend the SEC who has been impotent for a long time. How many times were they in Madoff's offices, 9? Do you even understand that credit default swaps and a lot of the other more dangerous instruments couldn't exist without massive credit expansion? Whenever a socialist policy creates its own set of new costs, the socialist solution is always that it wasn't big enough, didn't have enough regulators regulating the regulators of the regulators. It's quite sad. Is there any regulation measure you think creates more costs than benefits or is superfluous to eliminating the problem itself?

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan
Blahhh!

The only one here who is uninformed is you, and that's been proven with your either dishonest or ignorant statements.

Get a clue, research before you open your mouth. You'll look less foolish.

You were challenged, but wimped out of explaining why the U.S would be better off without the Fed and SEC. Until you explain that nonsense, no one intelligent buys Paul voting against deregulation just because he did it once when he has consistently asked for deregulation in every one of his other policies. You deem those "reasonable", fine, explain it. Right, you can't. We get it, ideologue.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: BansheeX
Evan's just mad that the DOW priced in gold has gone from 46 to 8.5 oz in the last ten years, another new low for the move yesterday. Takes some serious balls, though, to defend the SEC who has been impotent for a long time. How many times were they in Madoff's offices, 9? Do you even understand that credit default swaps and a lot of the other more dangerous instruments couldn't exist without massive credit expansion? Whenever a socialist policy creates its own set of new costs, the socialist solution is always that it wasn't big enough, didn't have enough regulators regulating the regulators of the regulators. It's quite sad. Is there any regulation measure you think creates more costs than benefits or is superfluous to eliminating the problem itself?

Hyperinflation here yet? Gold at $2000 yet?

It's going to fun bumping all these threads and still hearing the endless excuses for why those things never happened. No doubt we'll hear excuses that range from "They fudged numbers!" to "It will happen next time" to "This next recession will bankrupt us just watch!".

 

[BansheeX]

Find a place to offload those worthless assets yet? Or is it mark to market's fault? If it wasn't for those damn thermometers, people wouldn't have fevers, right?

 

[First]

^ You'd be funny if you weren't so easy to slap around. Equities have destroyed gold in the long run for every 30 year period in U.S. history. Anyone finding safehaven by investing a majority of their portfolio in gold gets laughed out the door, much like Schiff. Sadly for Schiff's gullible clients, they lost 70% of their value last year and will have to gain over 300% on their current net worth just to break even. That's what happens when you bet on gold and hyperinflation without any fallback. Math wins again.

 

[BansheeX]

Schiff's a stock broker, anyone who joined his firm in the last year is down 40-60% on paper. His earliest investors are probably still up after this move, so you're picking the people who bought at the absolute high. That doesn't mean people have lost anything yet, be careful with your words. If those stocks never come back through principle, currency gains, and dividends, you're right, they would lose. But these stocks a from fundamentally good companies that got hammered with forced selling and idiotic domestic economic policy. If those stocks aren't coming back, then U.S. ones sure as hell aren't either.

And I have no clue what you're talking about with regards to gold. If Schiff had told his clients to go all in to gold in 2008, they would not be down on paper right now. It was the stocks that tanked, not gold. I chose gold years ago on the hyperinflation play and continue to stay in it. The politicians are making that an easy choice, sorry to see you get wiped out holding dollars. Maybe the FDIC will insure their value for you.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: BansheeX
Schiff's a stock broker, anyone who joined his firm in the last year is down 40-60% on paper. His earliest investors are probably still up after this move, so you're picking the people who bought at the absolute high. That doesn't mean people have lost anything yet, be careful with your words. If those stocks never come back through principle, currency gains, and dividends, you're right, they would lose. But these stocks a from fundamentally good companies that got hammered with forced selling and idiotic domestic economic policy. If those stocks aren't coming back, then U.S. ones sure as hell aren't either.

And I have no clue what you're talking about with regards to gold. If Schiff had told his clients to go all in to gold in 2008, they would not be down on paper right now. It was the stocks that tanked, not gold. I chose gold years ago on the hyperinflation play and continue to stay in it. The politicians are making that an easy choice, sorry to see you get wiped out holding dollars. Maybe the FDIC will insure their value for you.

I love how you somehow think that because US stocks are down that foreign stocks will suddenly recover. Sorry, but from the picks I saw, his stocks won't recover for quite some time. Why? Because his picks follow an investment strategy that has no grounding in actual reality. Only the pixie dust bullshit like you spread around would cause his stocks to go up back to original values.

Yet another good article from Mish pointed out that gold is higher not because inflation, but because of credit. It is a flight to safety, not a flight against "hyperinflation". The correlation for gold being credit linked is far higher than it being inflation linked.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand such a difficult concept using your YouTube education.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

noone cares what you think.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

noone cares what you think.

I was wondering when #3 would chime in. At least you admit you're an idiot.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre
Good speech.

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

He voted against the war in Iraq.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against every single unbalanced budget he has been able to.
He voted against the deregulation that helped cause this economic mess.
He spoke out against the artificial low interest rates that helped cause this economic mess.
He voted against all these bailouts and "stimulus packages."

I could go on. It seems that Paul isn't the nutjob. The real nutjobs are those ruining this country, and those who continue voting for them.

No, he's still a nutjob. And he voted for deregulation and is about as pro-life nutty as you can get. He represents about 2% of the population at most, mostly the ones pining for 19th century American lifestyles.

I don't know about pauls non-economic beliefs, but I think that single issue voting is quite toxic.....

I can look at any politician and find similar discrepancies with my opinions..

That "single issue" has to do with essentially enslaving women as baby making machines under laws even the most spastic anti abortionists in the SC have decided are directly unconstitutional.

Not that that matters to the twats who don't give a fuck about rights except when it's THEIR rights though... you know, like you.

I find it ironic seeing your appreciation of woman and their rights juxtaposed to using a vulgar synonym for the human vagina.

 

[Carmen813]

I don't understand the hype of the gold standard. Why is gold better than money? I understand it has uses, but wouldn't we just be trading one object for another? I suppose the logic is that you cannot print gold, but it doesn't make sense to me.

 

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
I don't understand the hype of the gold standard. Why is gold better than money? I understand it has uses, but wouldn't we just be trading one object for another? I suppose the logic is that you cannot print gold, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Most gold believers are adamant about currency "debasement"; in other words they don't want anyone (gov't or otherwise) increasing the money supply because they believe it causes inflation. And if all else were held equal, it would. Except basic economic reality says it doesn't matter how much you increase the money supply if more and more people are transacting U.S. dollars at a proportionally equal/higher rate as that money supply increase. Which is sort of what's happening now, with more and more countries finding safe haven in the U.S. dollar, totally destroying this myth among gold fanatics (including Ron Paul and Peter Schiff) that the U.S. dollar will undergo hyperinflation. Dollar has actually gotten stronger since we started pumping tens of billions into these financial institutions.

There's also the issue of fixing one's currency to gold. It's not that these people want to transact in gold, they want to fix U.S. dollars (paper money) to a gold standard, fixing the exchange rate to a commodity. Except this limits production/GDP growth, doesn't allow for monetary policy to thwart unforeseen disasters, nor does it address the reality of expanded modern-day international economics.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I don't understand the hype of the gold standard. Why is gold better than money? I understand it has uses, but wouldn't we just be trading one object for another? I suppose the logic is that you cannot print gold, but it doesn't make sense to me.

In a nutshell...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWnhX2koVEc#

 

[Carmen813]

So couldn't we theoretically move to a copper standard if we wanted to? Its more bountiful and useful than gold (in many instances) anyway.

 

[gingermeggs]

hmmmm, live fetus'es sound like a good subject matter for the iron chef, could do a chilli fetus sorbet.

imagine those lill' arms trying' to stop the potato masher from crushing em lill' people up.

 

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
So couldn't we theoretically move to a copper standard if we wanted to? Its more bountiful and useful than gold (in many instances) anyway.

Nah, because gold believers want to fix the (paper) supply of money with a commodity like gold that is rare, disallowing a "spurious" and big increase in the supply of paper money that they believe causes debasement of currency (debasement = lower purchasing power, you can't buy the same goods for the same amount of dollars anymore). Of course, this theory of gold's superiority to strictly paper money (called "fiat") ignores velocity, and the reality that an increase in dollar transactions in recent decades has resulted in U.S. dollars becoming the world's reserve currency.

Besides, inflation has come to mean something different than it used to when our understanding of economics was pretty green just 100 years ago, so that's also where a lot of gold fanatics get confused.