Ron Pauls "What if" speech. Wow!

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
12 months? Who is thinking that? People need to stop believing that everything is going to work out in 12 months if that is the case.

Apparently Evan.

 

[MovingTarget]

Is there a transcript of this speech anywhere? If there is, can the OP add it up top?

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan
And he voted for deregulation

Paul opposed and voted against the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

Originally posted by: Evan
19th century American lifestyles.

Ironic, because your system is exactly what will be sending us all back to "19th century American lifestyles."

Zing!

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Paul opposed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act because he knew that it would be damaging to our economy, he knew that the implications of doing so would be a disaster.

Yes, he supports, in general, deregulation, so one might think it ironic that he voted against this particular deregulation. But that is only because those people do not understand that he supports doing so in a RESPONSIBLE manner, in ways that do not cause harm to people or our economy. He understands there is a right way of doing things, and a wrong way of doing things.

In fact his opposing this legislation is a perfect example, not only of his understanding of our economic system, but also that he does not let his ideology get in the way of doing the right thing.



Bump it. If you think we're gonna be out of this mess in 12 months, you're even dumber than I thought. Don't quit your day job.

I don't understand this. He favors massive deregulation (eliminating the Fed, gov't agencies, etc) but only by doing this in a responsible manner, which means not eliminating regulation.

He does not let his ideology get in the way of doing the right thing. What does that say about his ideology? If he really believed in the free market's ability to regulate itself, why would not eliminating regulation be the right thing?

I can see him coming from an angle of, "It only works all or nothing," but surely he understands that massive immediate deregulation would lead to turmoil. So it seems that piecemeal deregulation doesn't receive a Paul aye vote (Gramm-Leach-Bliley) as it would cause distress, so surely a Paul bill (eliminate all regulation) would also receive a nay vote as it would cause complete economic chaos.

I guess I just don't understand the justification. Does it go no regulation > heavy regulation > less regulation?

I like some of Paul's views and his willingness to say unpopular things. I just don't believe his view on unregulated free markets and a gold standard are really tenable. You simply replace one or several government-sized ruling entities with one or several corporate-sized ruling entities. It is the nature of man to seek power and, as such, there will always be rulers and the ruled. I would honestly prefer to be ruled by the US gov't than by the Microsofts and Enrons of the world.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Xavier434
12 months? Who is thinking that? People need to stop believing that everything is going to work out in 12 months if that is the case.

Apparently Evan.

I do admit that I believe things have potential to be noticeably better in 12 months time, but I also believe it will be far from over.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
^^I think it is a woman's choice in the end but acting like people who don't like it and are against it are nutcases but people;e who don't mind the murder of a baby who can live on it's own is odd and twisted, and why are you so bitter? Every post I have seen by you, you are very angry, like the mod Harvey.

I'm sorry but people who actually think they have a right to decide over a womans body ARE nutcases.

Now murder is defined by law and murdering a baby is most definently both illegal and punishable every single time, what this has to do with the discarding of unwanted feti i don't know.

Perhaps you should realise that a feti pre week 25 is no more alive that a stillborn baby, with no cerebral cortex activity it's a brain dead feti if in the womb and a brain dead human being if it's not, either way, it's dead.

I am not bitter but when retarded twats start talking about "murder of a baby" while trying to pretend that they are against enslaving women for motherhood then they are just being fucking daft.

Any reasonable person should be able to get that.

 

[SAWYER]

We will have to disagree, smoke a doobie to chill out

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

The injustice is taking away the property of Americans via force and using it to kill people overseas. Whether that killing is done by economic sanctions via Clinton, or invasion via Bush, it is wrong, causes hatred toward us, and makes it more dangerous for us at home, as those who seek revenge come here to carry it out.

Call me biased and for injustice, I come from a country where American property was used to "kill" people in order to save my grandparents so that my parents and I could have a prosperous life.

 

[RichardE]

Paul would send the US back to 2nd world status so fast their would be a revolution begging for a dictator.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
We will have to disagree, smoke a doobie to chill out

Well, disagreement in this area is strange since you want to have control over women and i don't want you to have that...

Mostly because i have an 18 year old daughter at home and i do believe she should have the right to her own body.

Fortunantly she's home in Sheffield where this discussion doesn't even exist.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

The injustice is taking away the property of Americans via force and using it to kill people overseas. Whether that killing is done by economic sanctions via Clinton, or invasion via Bush, it is wrong, causes hatred toward us, and makes it more dangerous for us at home, as those who seek revenge come here to carry it out.

Call me biased and for injustice, I come from a country where American property was used to "kill" people in order to save my grandparents so that my parents and I could have a prosperous life.

Well, it fucked you up beyond any reason, that much is obvious.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Sawyer
We will have to disagree, smoke a doobie to chill out

Well, disagreement in this area is strange since you want to have control over women and i don't want you to have that...

Mostly because i have an 18 year old daughter at home and i do believe she should have the right to her own body.

Fortunantly she's home in Sheffield where this discussion doesn't even exist.

Right to their own bodies? But in the video it says they want to make 3 month bootcamp mandatory. Who has a right to their body when the government demands you do something with your body? Hmmm..

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
what a nutjob

He voted against the war in Iraq.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against every single unbalanced budget he has been able to.
He voted against the deregulation that helped cause this economic mess.
He spoke out against the artificial low interest rates that helped cause this economic mess.
He voted against all these bailouts and "stimulus packages."

I don?t agree with all of his positions, but he is the only person in our government with a voting record I could be proud of.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: BigDH01
I don't understand this. He favors massive deregulation (eliminating the Fed, gov't agencies, etc) but only by doing this in a responsible manner, which means not eliminating regulation.

No, it doesn't. And the Federal Reserve is not a government agency.

He does not let his ideology get in the way of doing the right thing. What does that say about his ideology? If he really believed in the free market's ability to regulate itself, why would not eliminating regulation be the right thing?

Because you can't just support some deregulation in a heavily regulated market and economy. You don't get rid of the house of cards by removing just one from the bottom.

I can see him coming from an angle of, "It only works all or nothing," but surely he understands that massive immediate deregulation would lead to turmoil.

Definitely, so working toward a goal would have to be done in a responsible, moral manner.

So it seems that piecemeal deregulation doesn't receive a Paul aye vote (Gramm-Leach-Bliley) as it would cause distress, so surely a Paul bill (eliminate all regulation) would also receive a nay vote as it would cause complete economic chaos.

I guess I just don't understand the justification. Does it go no regulation > heavy regulation > less regulation?

Answered above.

I like some of Paul's views and his willingness to say unpopular things. I just don't believe his view on unregulated free markets and a gold standard are really tenable. You simply replace one or several government-sized ruling entities with one or several corporate-sized ruling entities. It is the nature of man to seek power and, as such, there will always be rulers and the ruled. I would honestly prefer to be ruled by the US gov't than by the Microsofts and Enrons of the world.

Enron committed crimes. I think MS, in general, is awesome, and has done much for the computing world.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Well, it fucked you up beyond any reason, that much is obvious.

lmao. you are on point today john.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
We will have to disagree, smoke a doobie to chill out

Yet another thing Paul opposes, Federal drug laws.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Is there a transcript of this speech anywhere? If there is, can the OP add it up top?

Transcript added to OP from House.gov.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: HeXploiT

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Is there a transcript of this speech anywhere? If there is, can the OP add it up top?

Transcript added to OP from House.gov.

:thumbsup:

RP is a nutjob, but even nutjobs can be dead on for a lot of things. It is time that we take a step back and completely reevaluate our foreign relations, and heed Eisenhower's warning against the creep of the military-industrial complex into our democracy.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

The injustice is taking away the property of Americans via force and using it to kill people overseas. Whether that killing is done by economic sanctions via Clinton, or invasion via Bush, it is wrong, causes hatred toward us, and makes it more dangerous for us at home, as those who seek revenge come here to carry it out.

Call me biased and for injustice, I come from a country where American property was used to "kill" people in order to save my grandparents so that my parents and I could have a prosperous life.

OH CHEERIO I'M BRITISH! I HAVE AN ACCENT! I SOUND SO SMART! I AM ENLIGHTENED! I'M AN ATHEIST! OH YOU ARE ALL BLOODY IDIOTS!

yea good for you, go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I'm sorry but people who actually think they have a right to decide over a womans body ARE nutcases.

As long as we're talking about sucking out fetuses. The second she wants to put drugs in that body she goes to jail. Or if she wants to sell her body to someone else for sexual purposes that's illegal also. So really it's not her body, mostly it's just her womb.

The level of cognitive dissonance is staggering.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Sawyer
We will have to disagree, smoke a doobie to chill out

Well, disagreement in this area is strange since you want to have control over women and i don't want you to have that...

Mostly because i have an 18 year old daughter at home and i do believe she should have the right to her own body.

Fortunantly she's home in Sheffield where this discussion doesn't even exist.

Are drugs and prostitution legal in Sheffield? Why not?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

The injustice is taking away the property of Americans via force and using it to kill people overseas. Whether that killing is done by economic sanctions via Clinton, or invasion via Bush, it is wrong, causes hatred toward us, and makes it more dangerous for us at home, as those who seek revenge come here to carry it out.

Call me biased and for injustice, I come from a country where American property was used to "kill" people in order to save my grandparents so that my parents and I could have a prosperous life.

OH CHEERIO I'M BRITISH! I HAVE AN ACCENT! I SOUND SO SMART! I AM ENLIGHTENED! I'M AN ATHEIST! OH YOU ARE ALL BLOODY IDIOTS!

yea good for you, go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

I really don't get all this jealousy you have towards us Britons, did your parents make you speak proper English as kids? Or did you have an English teacher who touched you in your naughty areas and you liked it so much that now you have to hate everything British just to be a good Mormon?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JS80
He sounds like he has good ideas until you hear his views on foreign and monetary policy. That's when you realize he's a nutjob.

That is because your ideas on foreign and monetary policies are insane.

Yea, because basing your money on a shiney yellow metal makes sense. And we should turn a blind eye when we see injustice in the world. OK, i'm insane.

The injustice is taking away the property of Americans via force and using it to kill people overseas. Whether that killing is done by economic sanctions via Clinton, or invasion via Bush, it is wrong, causes hatred toward us, and makes it more dangerous for us at home, as those who seek revenge come here to carry it out.

Call me biased and for injustice, I come from a country where American property was used to "kill" people in order to save my grandparents so that my parents and I could have a prosperous life.

OH CHEERIO I'M BRITISH! I HAVE AN ACCENT! I SOUND SO SMART! I AM ENLIGHTENED! I'M AN ATHEIST! OH YOU ARE ALL BLOODY IDIOTS!

yea good for you, go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

I really don't get all this jealousy you have towards us Britons, did your parents make you speak proper English as kids? Or did you have an English teacher who touched you in your naughty areas and you liked it so much that now you have to hate everything British just to be a good Mormon?

I feel sorry for your daughter. You should have just aborted her. I can't imagine living in Sheffield with someone like you.

Not too late mr enlightened solider! you can do a post birth abortion on her!




That's completely over the top. You're gone for a week.


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

 

[idiotekniQues]

ron pauls foreign policy commentary has always been great to me.

it is his domestic policy that is a bit frightening. while i do agree government can be more efficient for sure, his vision of a libertarian business world has been experienced already, and it was not and will not be pretty.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Sawyer
We will have to disagree, smoke a doobie to chill out

Well, disagreement in this area is strange since you want to have control over women and i don't want you to have that...

Mostly because i have an 18 year old daughter at home and i do believe she should have the right to her own body.

Fortunantly she's home in Sheffield where this discussion doesn't even exist.

Are drugs and prostitution legal in Sheffield? Why not?

Well no, they are not and there is a reason for it, prostitution involves someone other than yourself doing something to your body, unless it's Boberfett the dildo cam whore.

Drugs do affect you and as you interact with society, it will affect others.

That said, i don't think that drugs should be outlawed, but if you're going to do drugs, you the requirement should be that you stay inside your own house.

What this has to do with a womans right to her own body i do not know.

I am not saying that you should have a right to do whatever you want to your own body, i am saying that you have a right to your own body.

You see, this has nothing to do with drugs nor does it have anything to do with external measures, it's a woman who don't want something growing inside her body, and she has a right to remove that at any time before the cerebral cortex is activated which is usually in week 26 but i'm willing to go with the laws we already have so week 20 it is.