Ron Paul pulls into second in Iowa

[Chainspell]

I think that the problem appears to be that some people feel that Ron Paul is infallible, he's almost like some sort of a religious figure. It's really fascinating that people can worship such a racist piece of shit like that crazy old man Ron Paul.

Same thing can be said of the opposite. (E.g. you)

-Sent from my phone.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Same thing can be said of the opposite. (E.g. you)

-Sent from my phone.

Not really. I'm only speaking towards how Ron Paul is a horrible racist piece of shit and towards his domestic policy. I hate racists and I'm fine with that. However, obviously Ron Paul fans love his racism since they justify it in all sorts of strange ways.

However, I'm fine with a lot of his anti-war policy. So, no, I don't find him repugnant in all regards. I do view him as a repugnant sack of shit since he's a crazy racist old man.

 

[BansheeX]

'Frustrated friend'? You mean a horrible piece of shit racist friend who is also your political ally and one time chief of staff? And again, Racist Ron Paul DEFENDED the newsletters.

You seem pretty desperate to make excuses for racists. 'Frustrated' friend. Yeah, normal people become massive racists when they're frustrated. Good one. And, what was he, frustrated for years and years so that he published racist newsletters whenever he got frustrated?

I disagree vehemently. Libertarians have long been frustrated by welfare programs and it is statistically true that blacks are disproportionately receiving welfare and committing crimes. The reason comes down to insane monetary policy that has grown more and more debt-centric since the abandonment of the gold standard. After the Rodney King verdict, a comment like "the black rioters only stopped once they got their welfare checks" is mildly racist because it generalizes black people as being on welfare. At the time, it didn't create much of a stir because of what was happening:

A bunch of white cops brutalized a drunk black felon who led them on a high speed chase because he didn't want to get caught violating his parole. Then, when those officers got wrongfully acquitted, a bunch of black people decided on retaliation against whites. 1 billion dollars in property damage was done. A white truck driver by the name of Reginald Denny was pulled out of his truck and beaten to within an inch of his life.

That response by certain blacks deserved to be criticized. Paul's competitors who dig this stuff up don't care how out of context it is today, and apparently neither do you. Some of the other comments like "95% of blacks don't believe in sensible positions like a free market, etc" are true statistics but worded in a non-PC way. The comments about MLK being a closet socialist and womanizer are completely true. The guy was a great orator and champion of racial equality, but he had some big vices. He even plagiarized some of his academic papers.

 

[RabidMongoose]

At least you are openly admitting to being a racist and supporting a racist, unlike the other deluded Ron Paulbots.

The reality is that most of the comments in question are not acceptable under any context. Even you admit that one of Paul's comments are 'mildly racist.' I wonder how you would feel about the more racist ones, let alone a newsletter that is fixated on such racist statements for such a long period of time.

Ron Paul is a racist piece of shit. His entire platform makes sense when you realize that he's a huge racist and wants to implement a domestic policy that will allow him and his cohorts to do all sorts of horrible racist things and wants to trample on the Constitution and take a huge racist dump on it. George Wallace v2.0, except that George Wallace at least later admitted to some of his shitty racist behavior. Ron Paul is even less principled than a piece of shit like George Wallace.

 

[BansheeX]

I'm admitting to being a racist? Go fuck yourself troll, you can't just casually throw that word around when you lose arguments. The riots comment is not a white hood statement by any stretch. Those rioters had just done exactly what MLK wouldn't have: responded with violence. The policies you believe in are racist because they inadvertently keep minorities poor and more likely to turn to crime. How does that make you feel at night? Most of our forefathers were prejudiced against blacks, and yet were otherwise capable leaders. Maybe we should all just move out of the damn country, seeing as how it was founded by a bunch of bigots who liked to enslave blacks and exterminate indians. Abe Lincoln at one point wanted to ship all the slaves back to Africa.

And it's funny how you should invoke the constitution, a document which at its inception did nothing to stop slavery, let alone give voting rights to blacks. You are just a know-nothing troll trying to sound more righteous than everyone else. Good luck smearing Paul with a hundred comments about his newsletters, you obsessive moron.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I'm admitting to being a racist? Go fuck yourself troll, you can't just casually throw that word around when you lose arguments. The riots comment is not a white hood statement by any stretch. Those rioters had just done exactly what MLK wouldn't have: responded with violence. The policies you believe in are racist because they inadvertently keep minorities poor and more likely to turn to crime. How does that make you feel at night? Most of our forefathers were prejudiced against blacks, and yet were otherwise capable leaders. Maybe we should all just move out of the damn country, seeing as how it was founded by a bunch of bigots who liked to enslave blacks and exterminate indians. Abe Lincoln at one point wanted to ship all the slaves back to Africa.

I thought you did. Regardless, you admitted to Ron Paul making a racist statement. How do you feel about the other racist statements that Ron Paul made?

The policies of Ron Paul would make minorities even more poor and would oppress minorities. Ron Paul's economic school doesn't even believe in empirical data. That's how pathetic it is.

And it's funny how you should invoke the constitution, a document which at its inception did nothing to stop slavery, let alone give voting rights to blacks. You are just a know-nothing troll trying to sound more righteous than everyone else. Good luck smearing Paul with a hundred comments about his newsletters, you obsessive moron.

Of course the Constitution as originally written did nothing to stop slavery. In fact, it prevented the abolition of slavery. However, racist Ron Paul wants to eliminate the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which overrules that racist's favorite Dred Scott opinion. That's how messed up in the head Ron Paul is.

You are a know-nothing racist troll who supports a crazy old racist troll in Ron Paul who you have admitted makes racist statements. Hell, Ron Paul even looks like a troll so I suppose it's fitting that racist trolls support him.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

At least you are openly admitting to being a racist and supporting a racist, unlike the other deluded Ron Paulbots.

And everyone here would like to thank you for admitting to us just how much of a complete jackass you are to the rest of us reading these forums. If it were not for your irrational posts based on your own personal views and opinions rather then taking into context facts and reality we would all be under the impression that you might have something reasonable and logical to say on these forums rather then being a race baiting troll.

 

[RabidMongoose]

And everyone here would like to thank you for admitting to us just how much of a complete jackass you are to the rest of us reading these forums. If it were not for your irrational posts based on your own personal views and opinions rather then taking into context facts and reality we would all be under the impression that you might have something reasonable and logical to say on these forums rather then being a race baiting troll.

It's the Paul fans who say and Paul himself who said that his incredibly racist remarks need to be read in context. OK, what sort of context makes such horrible racist statements acceptable?

Ron Paul is a racist and he has a platform so that he can try to enable his racist agenda.

 

[Arkaign]

Meh, I find it kind of funny really. Ron Paul is clearly not a racist by any stretch. He also has pretty much zero chance of being elected POTUS.

Something that was written in some newsletter 15 years ago or more is pretty much irrelevant unless it was some quote like "I hate black people" or "WHITE POWER!!!".

There are plenty of observations that are basically true that sound racist when flat out stated out of context.

Truth : White people suck at running and jumping compared to black people. Evidence : world records, state high school record boards, etc.

Truth : White people commit far more major financial crimes. Evidence : basically the SEC's entire history of getting major offenders prosecuted.

Truth : Black people in America on average commit more violent crime and drug crime than White people. Evidence : arrest/conviction/recidivism rates. (note : this is somewhat exacerbated by more black people living in very poor financial and social situations, which is MUCH MUCH more an indication of the root cause than anything genetic whatsoever).

Now. If I just say "Hey Bob, Black people in America on average commit more violent crime!" that sure sounds like racism. And it *could* be, if it were my intent to disparage an entire race based on statistics.

There's a very foggy line in these issues. But it definitely hurts rational dialogue when people are so afraid to talk about racial issues. Even making observations in the area of race can sound racist, regardless of the truth, or the usefulness of the data. For example the large drug problems (not talking MJ, but harder stuff) .. that hit poorer populations of all races the most, it would make sense to analyze those statistics and work towards targeted solutions. How about instead of sending so many poor black (as well as white or hispanic) people to jail for non-violent drug crimes, spend some of that money on rehab centers and free/low cost job/skill training?

 

[Chainspell]

Not really. I'm only speaking towards how Ron Paul is a horrible racist piece of shit and towards his domestic policy. I hate racists and I'm fine with that. However, obviously Ron Paul fans love his racism since they justify it in all sorts of strange ways.

However, I'm fine with a lot of his anti-war policy. So, no, I don't find him repugnant in all regards. I do view him as a repugnant sack of shit since he's a crazy racist old man.

You keep proving my point. Thanks for that

-Sent from my phone.

 

[Howard]

It's all the fucking King of England's fault.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You keep proving my point. Thanks for that

-Sent from my phone.

Too bad your point is illogical. If anything, Ron Paul fans keep proving the point that Ron Paul is a huge racist.

 

[woodie1]

I'm beginning to think being a racist is a bad thing.

 

[DrPizza]

<Archie Bunker>
Edith, all I'm saying is that if a man owns his own restaurant, then he ought to get to say if he wants to serve them there blacks or not.
</Archie Bunker>

Except, Ron Paul calls it "private property rights." Never mind that Ron Paul has no problem with a health department making sure you're preparing the food in a safe manner. Never mind that Ron Paul doesn't voice specific opposition to most of the regulations imposed on restaurants. But, he DOES think that it should be the right of restaurant owners to keep out the blacks, Jews, Puerto Ricans, or whoever they want to keep out. He just defends this racism by a different name: "private property rights."

I'm amazed some of you have your heads so far up his ass that you can't see him for who he is.

 

[RabidMongoose]

<Archie Bunker>
Edith, all I'm saying is that if a man owns his own restaurant, then he ought to get to say if he wants to serve them there blacks or not.
</Archie Bunker>

Except, Ron Paul calls it "private property rights." Never mind that Ron Paul has no problem with a health department making sure you're preparing the food in a safe manner. Never mind that Ron Paul doesn't voice specific opposition to most of the regulations imposed on restaurants. But, he DOES think that it should be the right of restaurant owners to keep out the blacks, Jews, Puerto Ricans, or whoever they want to keep out. He just defends this racism by a different name: "private property rights."

I'm amazed some of you have your heads so far up his ass that you can't see him for who he is.

Yup. It's just a dog whistle for racism. He talks about civil liberties and the Constitution, but he wants to amend the hell out of it and remove the 14th Amendment, which overruled the racist Dred Scott decision. He doesn't even believe in the Bill of Rights applying against the states. George Wallace version 2.0.

There's a reason why Ron Paul is so popular among racist groups like Stormfront. It's because he and his racist cohorts benefit the most from this ridiculous and racist platform.

 

[werepossum]

Meh, I find it kind of funny really. Ron Paul is clearly not a racist by any stretch. He also has pretty much zero chance of being elected POTUS.

Something that was written in some newsletter 15 years ago or more is pretty much irrelevant unless it was some quote like "I hate black people" or "WHITE POWER!!!".

There are plenty of observations that are basically true that sound racist when flat out stated out of context.

Truth : White people suck at running and jumping compared to black people. Evidence : world records, state high school record boards, etc.

Truth : White people commit far more major financial crimes. Evidence : basically the SEC's entire history of getting major offenders prosecuted.

Truth : Black people in America on average commit more violent crime and drug crime than White people. Evidence : arrest/conviction/recidivism rates. (note : this is somewhat exacerbated by more black people living in very poor financial and social situations, which is MUCH MUCH more an indication of the root cause than anything genetic whatsoever).

Now. If I just say "Hey Bob, Black people in America on average commit more violent crime!" that sure sounds like racism. And it *could* be, if it were my intent to disparage an entire race based on statistics.

There's a very foggy line in these issues. But it definitely hurts rational dialogue when people are so afraid to talk about racial issues. Even making observations in the area of race can sound racist, regardless of the truth, or the usefulness of the data. For example the large drug problems (not talking MJ, but harder stuff) .. that hit poorer populations of all races the most, it would make sense to analyze those statistics and work towards targeted solutions. How about instead of sending so many poor black (as well as white or hispanic) people to jail for non-violent drug crimes, spend some of that money on rehab centers and free/low cost job/skill training?

Well said.

Fifteen pages on Ron Paul. Who'd 'a thunk it?

 

[SilthDraeth]

<Archie Bunker>
Edith, all I'm saying is that if a man owns his own restaurant, then he ought to get to say if he wants to serve them there blacks or not.
</Archie Bunker>

Except, Ron Paul calls it "private property rights." Never mind that Ron Paul has no problem with a health department making sure you're preparing the food in a safe manner. Never mind that Ron Paul doesn't voice specific opposition to most of the regulations imposed on restaurants. But, he DOES think that it should be the right of restaurant owners to keep out the blacks, Jews, Puerto Ricans, or whoever they want to keep out. He just defends this racism by a different name: "private property rights."

I'm amazed some of you have your heads so far up his ass that you can't see him for who he is.

So you mean that sign that says "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." is racist right?

I mean it is the same thing. The only problem is, that sign is meant to encompass the whole gamut. But someone could, under the guise of that sign refuse service to "anyone", but if they happened to refuse service to any minority, disabled, someone who smells bad, who smokes, who is dressed like a punk rocker, or goth, etc, etc, the list goes on and on, then they are being discriminatory.

Not saying that racism should be tolerated, but the hate crimes and lawsuits against discrimination have basically made it so you can't refuse service to anyone, despite technically having a legal right to do so, though one must make sure, they are not singling out a certain group of people when they refuse service.

 

[smokeyjoe]

We should repeal the 14th amendment as all it really did was create a new "citizen of the United States" subject to federal jurisdiction and usurp the states' power. Centralizing power into the federal government to make it more authoritarian was the goal all along.

I'm sure this will be misinterpreted as a "racist" comment.. but go ahead, have a field day.

 

[RabidMongoose]

We should repeal the 14th amendment as all it really did was create a new "citizen of the United States" subject to federal jurisdiction and usurp the states' power. Centralizing power into the federal government to make it more authoritarian was the goal all along.

I'm sure this will be misinterpreted as a "racist" comment.. but go ahead, have a field day.

Yeah, we should repeal the amendment that overrules the Dred Scott decision. Good one.

Ron Paul definitely is racist and his desire to repeal the 14th Amendment is certainly derived from his vile old man racism. Not sure if your desire to repeal the 14th Amendment is driven by racism, but I assume that you aren't closely associated with years and years of disgusting and vile newsletters.

This also shows his hatred of the Constitution. This vile racist old man wants to take our Constitution and take a giant racist shit on it. And he has the gall to declare himself as some sort of true constitutional defender? What a joke.

 

[smokeyjoe]

Yeah, we should repeal the amendment that overrules the Dred Scott decision. Good one.

Ron Paul definitely is racist and his desire to repeal the 14th Amendment is certainly derived from his vile old man racism. Not sure if your desire to repeal the 14th Amendment is driven by racism, but I assume that you aren't closely associated with years and years of disgusting and vile newsletters.

This also shows his hatred of the Constitution. This vile racist old man wants to take our Constitution and take a giant racist shit on it. And he has the gall to declare himself as some sort of true constitutional defender? What a joke.

Well, if that's all you believe it did.. then you prove your ignorance.

GG Honey Badger.

 

[BansheeX]

Fifteen pages on Ron Paul. Who'd 'a thunk it?

Half the posts are from the same guy repeating the word racist 100 times.

Maybe we should simplify the issue even more for RabidMongoose. If Ron Paul is racist, then he can't possibly have any black friends or supporters. Yet he does. And he certainly wouldn't plan to appoint anyone black to a position in his cabinet or as VP. Yet he does (Walter E. Williams).

In short, RabidMongoose is insane and the people who dug these comments up were competitors of his congress seat who couldn't find anything better to dig up. So that should tell you something.

Except, Ron Paul calls it "private property rights." Never mind that Ron Paul has no problem with a health department making sure you're preparing the food in a safe manner. Never mind that Ron Paul doesn't voice specific opposition to most of the regulations imposed on restaurants. But, he DOES think that it should be the right of restaurant owners to keep out the blacks, Jews, Puerto Ricans, or whoever they want to keep out. He just defends this racism by a different name: "private property rights."

I'm amazed some of you have your heads so far up his ass that you can't see him for who he is.

The argument is more along the lines of "if racist business owners can't expose themselves as racist by acting on their racism, then we are all unwittingly supporting racist business owners." I'm not saying I believe that system has the least costs, only that you think your solution is costless and obvious when it really isn't.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Well, if that's all you believe it did.. then you prove your ignorance.

GG Honey Badger.

No, it did more than that. Obviously the 14th Amendment has a lot of clauses.

But if you think that Ron Paul has targeted that amendment out of coincidence instead of his racist attitude, then you are ignorant.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Half the posts are from the same guy repeating the word racist 100 times.

Maybe we should simplify the issue even more for RabidMongoose. If Ron Paul is racist, then he can't possibly have any black friends or supporters. Yet he does. And he certainly wouldn't plan to appoint anyone black to a position in his cabinet or as VP. Yet he does (Walter E. Williams).

In short, RabidMongoose is insane and the people who dug these comments up were competitors of his senate seat who couldn't find anything better to dig up. So that should tell you something.

Ah, yes, the 'I have black friends so I don't hate black people, but...insert racist Ron Paul rant here" argument.

Ron Paul is a racist. Plain and simple and his followers either approve of his racism or have just deluded themselves into thinking that he isn't a vile old troll-like racist man. Or, you know, they could just say that people make racist statements when they're frustrated, like you did. What an excuse. Were you subscribed to Ron Paul's racist newsletters?

 

[Arkaign]

RM, you really do seem like a nutter with this completely obsessive spam session. If you don't like his political views, fine. But making up charges that he's some devout racist just makes you sound like an unbalanced weirdo. It's like the people who constantly called Bush hitler back in the day, and the opposite fringe now who call Obama Hitler as well (oh teh ironing).

There ARE plenty of actual living/breathing/speaking racists out there to rightfully condemn, by the way.

 

[smokeyjoe]

RM, you really do seem like a nutter with this completely obsessive spam session. If you don't like his political views, fine. But making up charges that he's some devout racist just makes you sound like an unbalanced weirdo. It's like the people who constantly called Bush hitler back in the day, and the opposite fringe now who call Obama Hitler as well (oh teh ironing).

There ARE plenty of actual living/breathing/speaking racists out there to rightfully condemn, by the way.

His tenacity is curious.