Ron Paul pulls into second in Iowa

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RM is certainly very enthusiastic, but I do think the Paul newsletters speak for themselves, and they're enough to convince me that he is not a good guy. I would never have voted for him anyway, but the I think one has to be willfully ignorant to deny that the newsletters are creepy.
 

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Then I guess Ron Paul is about as racist as Obama with his church affiliation with a pastor who for 20 years went on verified and taped questionably racist rants.
 

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Then I guess Ron Paul is about as racist as Obama with his church affiliation with a pastor who for 20 years went on verified and taped questionably racist rants.

I defended Obama on that one too, it's kinda 'meh', meaningless in the big picture. Ron Paul's voting record and basically everything he has had to say hasn't indicated that he harbors any kind of racist attitudes. Same for Obama.

I really prefer people sticking to real substantive issues like tax rates, budgets, stances on free speech, foreign policy, etc. This distractionary b.s. is a big waste of everyone's time.
 
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RM, you really do seem like a nutter with this completely obsessive spam session. If you don't like his political views, fine. But making up charges that he's some devout racist just makes you sound like an unbalanced weirdo. It's like the people who constantly called Bush hitler back in the day, and the opposite fringe now who call Obama Hitler as well (oh teh ironing).

There ARE plenty of actual living/breathing/speaking racists out there to rightfully condemn, by the way.

I have a problem with racists and clearly Ron Paul is a racist. Really, the Ron Paul followers are the nutters, saying that when Ron Paul's friends get frustrated then they publish a racist newsletter for years, saying episodes of Ron Paul's life don't exist even when Ron Paul defended those things in the past, and so forth.

Ron Paul is connected to so many racist issues that when you even see his political platform, it's clearly a dog whistle for racism.
 
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Then I guess Ron Paul is about as racist as Obama with his church affiliation with a pastor who for 20 years went on verified and taped questionably racist rants.

Obama definitely has issues, but he didn't publish a racist newsletter for years, then defend those newsletters, then make racist comments about TSA employees, and then come up with a ridiculous platform that is clearly a dog-whistle for racists to further a racist agenda.

At the very least, people acknowledge that Obama went to that church. Ron Paul followers don't even acknowledge Ron Paul's very direct racist history.
 

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I defended Obama on that one too, it's kinda 'meh', meaningless in the big picture. Ron Paul's voting record and basically everything he has had to say hasn't indicated that he harbors any kind of racist attitudes. Same for Obama.

I really prefer people sticking to real substantive issues like tax rates, budgets, stances on free speech, foreign policy, etc. This distractionary b.s. is a big waste of everyone's time.

I agree as it has completely thrown this post off track from its topic which is Ron Paul's performance in Iowa and the likely hood of his nomination to the presidency by the GOP. Furthermore guys like RM love to use this type of accusation to push out more fallacy laden arguments on positions they disagree with in order to vilify anyone who disagrees and has an opposing view he/she/it cannot reasonably and soundly counter.
 
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I defended Obama on that one too, it's kinda 'meh', meaningless in the big picture. Ron Paul's voting record and basically everything he has had to say hasn't indicated that he harbors any kind of racist attitudes. Same for Obama.

I really prefer people sticking to real substantive issues like tax rates, budgets, stances on free speech, foreign policy, etc. This distractionary b.s. is a big waste of everyone's time.

Considering that Ron Paul doesn't believe that individuals have a right to free speech against states, I'd say that's a pretty substantive issue where Ron Paul is ridiculous.
 
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Then I guess Ron Paul is about as racist as Obama with his church affiliation with a pastor who for 20 years went on verified and taped questionably racist rants.

I don't agree.

First, despite all the hysteria about Jeremiah Wright, he was a pastor in the United Church of Christ (aka the Congregationalists), one of the most laid-back denominations out there. My (white, doctorate holding) parents both belong to a Congregationalist church, as did my father's parents, who were educated white people from Vermont. Moreover, Pastor Wright's comments, while controversial, were not racist - indeed they were anti-racist.

Second, and more critically, comments made by Pastor Wright were not made by President Obama himself, and he has not adopted any of Pastor Wright's controversial remarks. Dr. Paul's political newsletters, on the other hand, were published under his name, largely written in the first person, and contained no bylines, suggesting that he wrote them and, at best, making it unclear who wrote them. He personally made hundreds of thousands of dollars on them. When confronted about the newsletters, he initially defended them and merely asked that they be quoted in their entirety, and only later denied he had written them.
 

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Then I guess Ron Paul is about as racist as Obama with his church affiliation with a pastor who for 20 years went on verified and taped questionably racist rants.

Good ol' Rev. Wright. Still remember the first time I saw one of his damning of America sermons on the TV news in complete disbelief.
 
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America should be damned for the level of support racist Ron Paul is getting.

I don't believe that many people know about his racist tendencies, so a lot of his support may be fake. He's done a pretty good job about lying about civil liberties, so people then assume that he's a kind old man instead of a raving lunatic racist.

He's done a great deceiving campaign so far. He talks so much about civil liberties and rights that people assume he's good, but in reality he's far more oppressive and anti-civil liberties than any other candidate in quite some time.
 

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Thats why you CUT the spending.
Ok chief, tell me what meaningful cuts you want to make to SS, Medicaid/Care and DoD. Yes, those are your only options for meaniful cuts. Fix this country up Mr. Armchair Politician.
 

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We should repeal the 14th amendment as all it really did was create a new "citizen of the United States" subject to federal jurisdiction and usurp the states' power. Centralizing power into the federal government to make it more authoritarian was the goal all along.

I'm sure this will be misinterpreted as a "racist" comment.. but go ahead, have a field day.
It's not racist. I agree with you 100%. The 14th Amendment was never about protecting blacks, it was about protecting the Federal government and punishing the South. There are times when I think that the 14th Amendment actually sent the Republic into exile and replaced it with an Empire.

Yeah, we should repeal the amendment that overrules the Dred Scott decision. Good one.

Ron Paul definitely is racist and his desire to repeal the 14th Amendment is certainly derived from his vile old man racism. Not sure if your desire to repeal the 14th Amendment is driven by racism, but I assume that you aren't closely associated with years and years of disgusting and vile newsletters.

This also shows his hatred of the Constitution. This vile racist old man wants to take our Constitution and take a giant racist shit on it. And he has the gall to declare himself as some sort of true constitutional defender? What a joke.
Considering the fact that the 14th Amendment was never legally ratified, I think the people who do like it are the ones who are Anti-Constitutional.
You beat me to it:)
That poll doesn't surprise me because I'm not sure if Gingrich is even on the ballot in NH. He also doesn't have anywhere near as much campaign cash as Dr. Paul does and the former could never beat Obama because the incumbent has too much campaign cash for gingrich to stand a chance.

I really think Gingrich is just trying to cheat Dr. Paul out of the nomination since his campaign is such a joke. Then once Gingrich's campaign goes down in flames, the neocons are going to put Trump up as an independent to increase Obama's chances of winning.
 
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Half the posts are from the same guy repeating the word racist 100 times.

Maybe we should simplify the issue even more for RabidMongoose. If Ron Paul is racist, then he can't possibly have any black friends or supporters. Yet he does. And he certainly wouldn't plan to appoint anyone black to a position in his cabinet or as VP. Yet he does (Walter E. Williams).

In short, RabidMongoose is insane and the people who dug these comments up were competitors of his congress seat who couldn't find anything better to dig up. So that should tell you something.



The argument is more along the lines of "if racist business owners can't expose themselves as racist by acting on their racism, then we are all unwittingly supporting racist business owners." I'm not saying I believe that system has the least costs, only that you think your solution is costless and obvious when it really isn't.
Agreed, today no business could long survive with a whites only policy. Only place where Paul is wrong is that at the time that was not true in much of the South; businesses could have survived and even prospered adhering to the traditional discriminatory policies. At the time the 1964 Civil Rights Act passed, that was absolutely necessary even if arguably not within government's rights. (I'd argue the converse - that for any business which government may license or tax, government may also intervene in its rules for serving the public - but it is arguable.) Also, I've worked for two bosses whom I have heard ask "You didn't hire that ni**er did you?" Sometimes it takes government's iron fist to hammer out the overt racism from certain segments of society, and while in principle I support an employer's right to employ whomever he wishes, at that point in society (and even today, no doubt, in places) an accepted practice was to lock out a significant segment of our society from the possibility of success through honest hard work.

Sometimes one good principle (e.g. an employer's right to employ whomever he wishes or serve whom he wishes) has to be infringed to preserve another good principle (e.g. having a fair and equal society with opportunity for all.
 
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Doesn't matter. RP is not compatible with the big money interests that truly pull the strings of our political system. They simply will not allow a nomination win for him, regardless of the possible wishes of the voters.

Well there's also the fact that RP is not compatible with the interests of the American people who will not tolerate his racist antics.
 
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Considering the fact that the 14th Amendment was never legally ratified, I think the people who do like it are the ones who are Anti-Constitutional.

You're the one who is now saying that a part of the Constitution isn't legally part of the Constitution. It's clear that you hate the Constitution, just like Ron Paul hates it.

And the 14th Amendment is about a lot of issues, one of which was in response to what racist states were legislating against former slaves. Ron Paul wants to return to those times.
 
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Summary of this thread:

Ron Paul haters on full display
Very weak race card continuously played
Cyclical thinking by a few special people (not to be named)