Ron Paul pulls into second in Iowa

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cybrsage

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You cannot listen to a preacher for 20 years, have him marry you, and have him baptise your children without either agreeing with his views or lying about your religion being important to you.

Obama says his religion is important to him, so that leaves us with either him lying about that or with him agreeing with the views of Wright.

For those that can stand it, here are some more disgraceful things uttered by the man our President worshiped with for twenty years (h/t Weasel Zippers):


"You are not now, nor have you ever been, nor will you ever be a brother to white folk," he said. "And if you do not realize that, you are in serious trouble."

He cited the writings of Bill Jones -- author of the book "Is God a White Racist?" -- as proof that white people cannot be trusted. "Bill said, 'They just killed four of their own at Kent State. They'll step on you like a cockroach and keep on movin', cause you not a brother to them.' "

Wright referred to Italians as "Mamma Luigi" and "pizzeria." He said the educational system in America is designed by whites to miseducate blacks "not by benign neglect but by malignant intent."

He said Ethiopian Jews are despised by white Jews: "And now the Knesset [Israeli parliament] is meeting with European Jews, voting on whether or not these African Jews can get into [Israel]."

The civil-rights movement, Wright said, was never about racial equality: "It was always about becoming white . . . to master what [they] do." Martin Luther King, he said, was misguided for advocating nonviolence among his people, "born in the oven of America."

"We probably have more African-Americans who've been brainwashed than we have South Africans who've been brainwashed," he said, and seemed to allude to President Obama twice: "Unfortunately, I got in trouble with a fella for saying this . . . All your commentaries are written by oppressors." At the mention of Nation of Islam head Louis Farrakhan -- whom Obama disavowed during the campaign -- black leaders "go cuttin' and duckin'," he said.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...shing-whites-and-jews-media-mum#ixzz1h0mOhH6U

As a note, the Knesset did not with anyone in Europe about this...they did not need to do so for any reason...they simply needed to verify they were actually Jews. After doing the proper due diligence, they found they ARE Jews and can Aliyah. Of course, this was determined back in 1983/84...
 

fskimospy

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You cannot listen to a preacher for 20 years, have him marry you, and have him baptise your children without either agreeing with his views or lying about your religion being important to you.

Obama says his religion is important to him, so that leaves us with either him lying about that or with him agreeing with the views of Wright.


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...shing-whites-and-jews-media-mum#ixzz1h0mOhH6U

As a note, the Knesset did not with anyone in Europe about this...they did not need to do so for any reason...they simply needed to verify they were actually Jews. After doing the proper due diligence, they found they ARE Jews and can Aliyah. Of course, this was determined back in 1983/84...

Or maybe you agree with many of his views but hold some that he has to be bad. You know, like a normal human being.
 

fskimospy

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Summary of this thread:

Ron Paul haters on full display
Very weak race card continuously played
Cyclical thinking by a few special people (not to be named)

I don't know how defending racist articles written under your name for years is a 'very weak race card'. He was a huge racist, just admit it. You can still support him even if he is, you know.
 
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Yes, people can still support a racist. Look at George Wallace, he had a lot of supporters. Ron Paul can be the same, but there's no point in denying Paul's racist connections.
 

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They're only "repeated" by idiots like you that are still clinging to "stories" that have been shown false long ago.

You have to be pretty fucking stupid to deny evidence that is easily verifiable and unassailable.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/01/the_rockwell_files.cfm
http://tomgpalmer.com/2005/01/21/racism-and-bigotry-delivered-courtesy-of-lew-rockwell/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6rxts0-f9w - Paul will not reveal the name of the person in question (based on all available evidence it's very likely Lew Rockwell)

Snip from Economist:

WOLF BLITZER today, speaking in gerund phrases, examining the Ron Paul newsletter controversy, interviewing the Republican presidential candidate, who claims not only that he had no hand in writing numerous racist and homophobic items that appeared under his name over a period of years, but that he does not know—or care—who did write them.

Mr Paul is probably not himself a racist, and many of the sentiments he expresses in his CNN interview are admirable. It is equally plausible that the hateful items published in his newsletter, so different in style from the congressman's own speech and writing, are not his handiwork. But his protestations of ignorance, both about what was being disseminated on his behalf and who was responsible, are much harder to credit.

While his statements sometimes leave the impression that Mr Paul simply licensed his name to people with whom he had little contact, there is much evidence to the contrary. The newsletters that appeared under his name were published by M&M Graphics and Advertising, a company run by Mr Paul's longtime congressional campaign manager Mark Elam—which Mr Elam himself confirms. And according to numerous veterans of the libertarian movement, it was an open secret during the late-80s and early-90s who was ghostwriting the portions of Mr Paul's newsletters not penned by the congressman himself: Lew Rockwell, founder of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, and members of his staff, among them Jeffrey Tucker, now editorial vice president of the Institute.

Mr Rockwell denied authorship to Jamie Kirchick, the reporter whose New Republic article published earlier this week reignited controversy over the newsletters. But both Mr Rockwell (who attacked the New Republic article on his site) and Mr Tucker refused to discuss the matter with Democracy in America. ("Look at Mises.org," Mr Tucker told me, "I'm willing to take any responsibility for anything up there, OK?") According to Wirkman Virkkala, formerly the managing editor of the libertarian monthly Liberty, the racist and survivalist elements that appeared in the newsletter were part of a deliberate "paleolibertarian" strategy, "a last gasp effort to try class hatred after the miserable showing of Ron Paul’s 1988 presidential effort." It is impossible now to prove individual authorship of any particular item in the newsletter, but it is equally impossible to believe that Mr Rockwell did not know of and approve what was going into the newsletter.

This matters because, while Mr Paul may disavow the sentiments that were expressed under his name over the years, he has scarcely disavowed Mr Rockwell, who remains a friend and adviser. Mr Rockwell is one of the congressman's most vigorous online boosters, accompanied him to an appearance on The Tonight Show, and often publishes Mr Paul's writings on his Web site. Mr Paul now says the identity of his ghostwriter is of no importance. But if the person responsible for spreading venom under his name for many years remains a close associate, it suggests that Mr Paul is at least prepared to countenance pandering to racists, however respectable his own views. The candidate owes his supporters a far more complete explanation than he has thus far provided.

Snip from 2nd article:

I posted a note below on the zany Dr. Dobson’s outrage over SpongeBob SquarePants and on the fulminations of the religious right, in the person of Christopher Manion, lewrockwell.com columnist. One of the acolytes over there posted a note indicating shock that I would suggest that Manion is a bigot. Of course not! No animus to gay people at all. No way. (Read through his columns — to which I link in my response — and make up your own mind.)

So when I got in to Texas (I’m in Dallas at the moment) and checked my email and site, I figured I’d go over to lewrockwell.com to see what else they’re up to. Yep, citations of anti-immigration material (of course!) and enthusiastic links to the columns of one Sam Francis, one of the creepiest and most stomach-churning figures on the American political scene. He’s not “racially insensitive”; he’s a proud and outspoken racist. Check out his website and then follow the link to the “Council of Conservative Citizens,” for which he is the newsletter editor. There you’ll find this “Special Photo Essay” (don’t click through unless you have a strong stomach), which is full of photos of murdered white South Africans, accompanied by this:

Terrorism In South Africa

The photos on this page are gruesome and hideous. However, these pictures reveal the terror that looms over White South Africans. Since the African National Conference took power in South Africa, crime and violence have run rampant. Cannibalism is on the rise. White Afrikaan farmers are the prefered targets of black gangs, black political militants, and black bandits. According to well informed sources, the death of Nelson Mandela will trigger a massacre of the White population. Looking at these images, do you believe a slaughter of Whites is not in the future?

Some died in bed, though not peacefully. Unaware of their ghastly fate, these White South Africans no doubt believed they were safe in their homes. But they are not safe anywhere in the country their noble ancestors raised from brute wilderness. The brutes have returned…with a vengeance.

Today South Africa is less than 10% White. Someday, American Whites will be a minority. IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!

There’s more, of course. Francis also offers a prominent link to the openly racist group that calls itself “American Renaissance,” where you can check out guides to “Building White Communities.” (His other links are to: “Middle American News,” which greets you with a warning that “White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America.”; and to “VDare,” which specializes in bashing immigrants and non-whites and features….Sam Francis!)

Hats off to Lew Rockwell and his friends, for doing their best to debase libertarian ideas by associating them so closely with some of the the worst and scariest people ever to scuttle under a rock. (There’s more under the archives labeled “The Fever Swamp.”)

Now I’m going to go and wash my hands. The experience of sorting through all the dirt that Lew Rockwell churns out has that effect on me.

Get over it, you're wrong.
 

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Ah, yes, the 'I have black friends so I don't hate black people, but...insert racist Ron Paul rant here" argument.

Ron Paul is a racist. Plain and simple and his followers either approve of his racism or have just deluded themselves into thinking that he isn't a vile old troll-like racist man. Or, you know, they could just say that people make racist statements when they're frustrated, like you did. What an excuse. Were you subscribed to Ron Paul's racist newsletters?

Stop throwing out label you moron ... know the individual and his works before branding ... (I hate people like you)
 

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One thing this shows is the absolute importance of a politician guarding his good name. Had Paul immediately and loudly refuted these things, regardless of who actually wrote them and his actual involvement, this would be just another shrill Birther-style attack. Instead, it's something that will dog him in every election, in spite of his admirable adherence to his principles otherwise. Indeed, his admirable adherence to his principles may even make the smear that much more believable.

A politician has to trade a certain amount of freedom in exchange for his power, and a white Republican in particular simply cannot afford ties with racists. A white Democrat gets a little more leeway, and minority Democrat politicians largely get a pass, because of their presumed friendliness to minorities, but a white Republican simply cannot get away with protecting people like the author of these statements without paying a political price.
 
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One thing this shows is the absolute importance of a politician guarding his good name. Had Paul immediately and loudly refuted these things, regardless of who actually wrote them and his actual involvement, this would be just another shrill Birther-style attack. Instead, it's something that will dog him in every election, in spite of his admirable adherence to his principles otherwise. Indeed, his admirable adherence to his principles may even make the smear that much more believable.

A politician has to trade a certain amount of freedom in exchange for his power, and a white Republican in particular simply cannot afford ties with racists. A white Democrat gets a little more leeway, and minority Democrat politicians largely get a pass, because of their presumed friendliness to minorities, but a white Republican simply cannot get away with protecting people like the author of these statements without paying a political price.

I doubt that a white Democrat would get a little more leeway with such incredibly blatant racist statements, but to add to the problem is that Ron Paul's entire domestic platform is basically a platform that is a dog whistle for racist politics. It's just too much.
 

DucatiMonster696

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I doubt that a white Democrat would get a little more leeway with such incredibly blatant racist statements, but to add to the problem is that Ron Paul's entire domestic platform is basically a platform that is a dog whistle for racist politics. It's just too much.

Basically what you are saying is that anyone against the welfare system or who is for scaling back the size and scope of government or would like to lower taxes, etc is a "racist". So in the end there is no point in even discussing anything with you due to your obsessive lunatic style accusations, insinuations and generalizations. You are a foaming at the mouth loon and there is no reasonable discourse to be had at all with you in this thread period because all you are doing right now is thread crapping.
 
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guyver01

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good argument.

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guyver01

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And before you racist apologists spout the standard "he didn't write the newsletter.. someone else did" crap...

Show me the legal CEASE & DECIST document he sent to the newsletter telling them to stop using his name.

Show me the document where he denounces everything said in the newsletter, because it doesn't represent him.


you can't ... because he never did any of those things.
 
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Basically what you are saying is that anyone against the welfare system or who is for scaling back the size and scope of government or would like to lower taxes, etc is a "racist". So in the end there is no point in even discussing anything with you due to your obsessive lunatic style accusations, insinuations and generalizations. You are a foaming at the mouth loon and there is no reasonable discourse to be had at all with you in this thread period because all you are doing right now is thread crapping.

No. When someone writes or releases under his name vile racist newsletters for years, then defends those vile and racist newsletters, and then makes other racist statements, then that person is a vile racist.

If you feel that there is no reasonable discourse to be had with me, then please ignore me. Obviously we have very different ideologies. I hate racism and you seem to relish it.
 
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Show me conclusive evidence he DID NOT write those things. They appeared in HIS NEWSLETTER.

You need to remember that these Ron Paul fans pretend that the newsletter doesn't exist, despite the fact that Ron Paul himself has defended the newsletters.

This makes sense when you realize that the economic school that Ron Paul subscribes to doesn't believe in the real world and as such the use of empirical data. Thus, some of his followers have gone a step farther and now deny the existence of events that even Ron Paul has acknowledged do exist and in fact defended.
 

sportage

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Ron Paul pulls into second in Iowa

And...?

He's going to win?...No!
He can beat Obama?....No!
Your mom and dad will vote for him?....No!
He matters?.....No!
iOwa matters?....No!
He gets another 15 minutes of fame?...Ok. Sure.
 

DucatiMonster696

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Show me conclusive evidence he DID NOT write those things.

You are asking for negative to be proven which does not work out unless there is evidence that he did actually write those letters.

They appeared in HIS NEWSLETTER.

Yet there is no indication that these letters which appeared in these newsletters were ever written based upon his on personal beliefs or that he even had any involvement in its management of the newsletter itself.

Please try harder.
 
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DucatiMonster696

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And before you racist apologists spout the standard "he didn't write the newsletter.. someone else did" crap...

Show me the legal CEASE & DECIST document he sent to the newsletter telling them to stop using his name.

Why would he issue a CEASE & DECIST for a newsletter that halted its publication in 2001 and for which he had no clue of its content?

Show me the document where he denounces everything said in the newsletter, because it doesn't represent him.

He has already come out on the record as stating that he did not write those letters and that he did not have any knowledge of their content.


you can't ... because he never did any of those things.

So how do you like your crow? Baked or Grilled???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gT3I_W0kKM

Don't let this video stop your dumb little witch hunt though.
 
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Now we're hearing that apparently these were fraudulent newsletters, even though Ron Paul personally profited off of them and has acknowledged that his own organization is responsible for it and they were even titled after him. But, no, that must mean that Ron Paul was not involved in any way.

Paulbots are so desperate.