News Roe v. Wade overturned

[fskimospy]

I mean that was literally the argument for overturning RvW, 'it isn't a law and SC shouldn't be setting law-like precedents so fuck RvW, get the senate to do their job'. Ironically i don't disagree with that assessment but I vehemently disagree with the way it's being done, because it's throwing the US citizenry to the wolves while we spend like 30 fucking years fighting in congress to get these things actually addressed.

You are assuming they won’t Calvinball their way to a different justification if that one is closed off.

Remember, Republican justices argued days apart that the voting rights act must be gitted because congress could not be trusted to legislate correctly and then said gay marriage bans must be upheld because it’s wrong to overturn the wisdom of congress.

 

[nOOky]

If you're still wondering how evangelicals and other supposedly moral persons could have tolerated Trump, now you know. He said during his campaign that he would end RvW if he got the supreme court picks, and he did. The GOP dredges up issues like abortion and the southern border because they bring out that innate fear old white religious people have.

Those issues "OMFG THHEY ARE KILLING INNOCENT BABIES! and ILLEGALS ARE STEALING OUR KIDS JOBS! trigger an inherent response in their brain that overrides any reason or sympathy for other issues. Affordable health care means nothing if women are allowed to kill their unborn kids out of convenience. Even the subconscious thought of a woman having to bear a rapist's baby is still acceptable because hopefully it will still another white baby. I bet if a black man raped a white woman conservatives would look the other way if she was seeking an abortion.

 

[K1052]

The only play is for the Democrats to delegitimize this court, which really only involves brining its actions and the implications of those actions to the attention of the broader public.

Republicans are petrified Americans might see the court as the political body that it is and start acting accordingly.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You are assuming they won’t Calvinball their way to a different justification if that one is closed off.

Remember, Republican justices argued days apart that the voting rights act must be gitted because congress could not be trusted to legislate correctly and then said gay marriage bans must be upheld because it’s wrong to overturn the wisdom of congress.

Very true. All things considered, I don't disagree with dumping the filibuster and throwing the SC to 101 members.

 

[eelw]

Congresswoman need to restart that push to force all males to have vasectomies unless the government decides when they can have kids. Let's see the fake moral outage then

 

[K1052]

When you also criminalize IVF and Plan B along with abortion:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522045853934002179

 

[ivwshane]

Also, it's the only state/region/principality/country/whatever that I know of that was founded and dedicated explicitly on the foundations of white supremacy, to create a pure, Christian, white utopia, free from the machinations of those Eastern Devils.

Really?

 

[Brainonska511]

This is correct. Without court reform everything else is meaningless or worse a waste of precious time/political capital.

Yep - they'll do what they want. In extremely recent memory, this court has had a justice in back-to-back rulings argue that 1) congress didn't know what they were doing with voting rights renewal, so we need to overturn that; followed by 2) it's not the court's place to second guess the laws enacted by Congress on marriage equality. And now there are even more to play these ridiculous games.

 

[Pens1566]

Yep - they'll do what they want. In extremely recent memory, this court has had a justice in back-to-back rulings argue that 1) congress didn't know what they were doing with voting rights renewal, so we need to overturn that; followed by 2) it's not the court's place to second guess the laws enacted by Congress on marriage equality. And now there are even more to play these ridiculous games.

If I'm not mistaken, they've also had shadow docket rulings where one state had to keep districts because it was too close to election and another had to change because reasons.

 

[Roger Wilco]

I wonder how many in the GOP are now shitting bricks about midterms.

 

[K1052]

I wonder how many in the GOP are now shitting bricks about midterms.

National Rs are worried because every GOP state is going to rush a whole bunch of extremely unpopular legislation through quite loudly and candidates everywhere will be force marched through a minefield of talking which is going to present challenges.

 

[fskimospy]

If I'm not mistaken, they've also had shadow docket rulings where one state had to keep districts because it was too close to election and another had to change because reasons.

Yes, in February they ruled that a Democratic challenge to Alabama's districts could not go forward as it was too close to the election and then in March decided a Republican challenge could go forward despite as far as I can tell March being closer to the election than February.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

When you also criminalize IVF and Plan B along with abortion:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522045853934002179

Awesome. Let's take it all the way, any unsuccessful pregnancy is to be considered child abuse/murder (on both parties), all unaccounted for ejaculations are to be considered child abandonment, and any/all activities which could damage either sperm or egg is to be considered premeditated homicide.

 

[Greenman]

I think you’re underestimating SCOTUS. If the senate passed a law to protect abortion rights it’s entirely possible SCOTUS would strike it down saying it intrudes on state sovereignty or whatever.

This is why we should expand the court. It’s time to reign in a lawless branch of government.

That's a short sited solution. When the republican's are in charge again the court will be further packed, decisions will be reversed. That's not stable government.
The legislative branch is where the issue should be settled. Tossing it back to the states is an understandable ruling, but it's going to be a shit storm.

 

[pauldun170]

Privacy matters:

From 2006
https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1600&context=sjsj

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

That's a short sited solution. When the republican's are in charge again the court will be further packed, decisions will be reversed. That's not stable government.
The legislative branch is where the issue should be settled. Tossing it back to the states is an understandable ruling, but it's going to be a shit storm.

Unfortunately as stated above, once the SC got politicized it doesn't strictly matter what Congress does, if SC can just overturn it arbitrarily. We (collectively) broke our own govt through politicization (ironic I know).

I motion we migrate our entire govt structure to an AI, asap.

 

[fskimospy]

That's a short sited solution. When the republican's are in charge again the court will be further packed, decisions will be reversed. That's not stable government.

No, this is the solution for people thinking long term about how to really solve the problem.

First, what you are complaining about is literally already happening - see the topic of the thread.

Second, it doesn't matter if Republicans expand it again - the main point is to rein in the judiciary, which is entirely out of control and is usurping the power of the elected branches of government.

If you really want the courts to start working well again expanding the court is the ONLY option.

The legislative branch is where the issue should be settled. Tossing it back to the states is an understandable ruling, but it's going to be a shit storm.

This is the part of Alito's decision that I find particularly dishonest. If we had a system of government where if the most people vote for you, you generally are in charge then this would be a valid decision. Unfortunately, in large part due to Alito's other decisions gutting the voting rights act, enabling partisan gerrymanders, etc., we don't have that.

 

[Pohemi]

That's a short sited solution. When the republican's are in charge again the court will be further packed, decisions will be reversed. That's not stable government.

'Democrats shouldn't take this action because then Republicans will turn around and....do this thing that they're likely to do anyway no matter what the Dems do.'

Republicans are reliably the underhanded actions party.
I think Dems need to just do what they feel is right and necessary for governing the American people as they were voted in to do; 'Repubs response' be damned. Dems trying to play nice or reserve their options of governing for fear of tit-for-tat has gone on for far too long. They need to grow some fucking balls for once.

 

[gothuevos]

Unfortunately as stated above, once the SC got politicized it doesn't strictly matter what Congress does, if SC can just overturn it arbitrarily. We (collectively) broke our own govt through politicization (ironic I know).

I motion we migrate our entire govt structure to an AI, asap.

The SkyNet memes are finally coming true!

 

[fskimospy]

'Democrats shouldn't take this action because then Republicans will turn around and....do this thing that they're likely to do anyway no matter what the Dems do.'

Republicans are reliably the underhanded actions party.
I think Dems need to just do what they feel is right and necessary for governing the American people as they were voted in to do; 'Repubs response' be damned. Dems trying to play nice or reserve their options of governing for fear of tit-for-tat has gone on for far too long. They need to grow some fucking balls for once.

Right - Democrats can't shy away from doing the right thing out of fear that Republicans will do the wrong thing.

And if people think the judiciary's power grab is done they are looking to revisit Chevron, they are looking to expand the entirely made up 'major questions doctrine', etc. Together this would enable them to essentially rewrite any regulation they don't like. Judges will be the new Congress.

 

[Lanyap]

Look at here Mr. Fancy Pants Endurance Man lasting 2 minutes!

And all Mandelay products need to be banned. You got to take care of business and get out.

 

[darkswordsman17]

If you're still wondering how evangelicals and other supposedly moral persons could have tolerated Trump, now you know. He said during his campaign that he would end RvW if he got the supreme court picks, and he did. The GOP dredges up issues like abortion and the southern border because they bring out that innate fear old white religious people have.

Those issues "OMFG THHEY ARE KILLING INNOCENT BABIES! and ILLEGALS ARE STEALING OUR KIDS JOBS! trigger an inherent response in their brain that overrides any reason or sympathy for other issues. Affordable health care means nothing if women are allowed to kill their unborn kids out of convenience. Even the subconscious thought of a woman having to bear a rapist's baby is still acceptable because hopefully it will still another white baby. I bet if a black man raped a white woman conservatives would look the other way if she was seeking an abortion.

Sorry but if you think they justified it that way you're just delusional. They didn't need to, they loved everything about Turmp. He is the living embodiment of the festuring pestule that is modern American Christians' souls.

 

[ElFenix]

That's a short sited solution. When the republican's are in charge again the court will be further packed, decisions will be reversed. That's not stable government.
The legislative branch is where the issue should be settled. Tossing it back to the states is an understandable ruling, but it's going to be a shit storm.

Unfortunately as stated above, once the SC got politicized it doesn't strictly matter what Congress does, if SC can just overturn it arbitrarily. We (collectively) broke our own govt through politicization (ironic I know).

I motion we migrate our entire govt structure to an AI, asap.

What's it like living in a world where the midnight judges act and judicial circuits act don't exist?

 

[ondma]

Very true. All things considered, I don't disagree with dumping the filibuster and throwing the SC to 101 members.

I agree it would be nice to have the filibuster removed now, but the show would be on the other foot if the republicans take both houses in the midterms (which IMO is a foregone conclusion).

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What's it like living in a world where the midnight judges act and judicial circuits act don't exist?

Hopefully one where judges retire at a fast enough rate that you cannot lock in any specific ideology for decades as we can now.