Rip america

[Wreckem]

This isnt the first time a shutdown has happened & it wont be the last. Put your big boy/girl pants on, youll survive.

Its a WHOLLY unnecessary shutdown that is a WHOLLY unnecessary hit to the economy.

 

[mmntech]

Meh, typically these don't last very long. Think the longest was under a month IIRC, usually they only last a couple of days. Plus a few useless civil servants staying home not getting paid is hardly a big hit to the economy. Essential services will still be there. I'm sure everyone at the NSA will still be there with their $50 billion to creep on your Facebook page.

 

[MarkXIX]

We, as Americans, have failed here. Bottom line. These elected assholes are there BECAUSE WE PUT THEM THERE!!! Because ignorant fucks who can't see beyond themselves or stupid ass campaign ads step into the voting booth and keep voting for the same, crooked retards over and over and over again.

I'm done. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A SINGLE INCUMBENT in the next election, period.

 

[xanis]

We, as Americans, have failed here. Bottom line. These elected assholes are there BECAUSE WE PUT THEM THERE!!! Because ignorant fucks who can't see beyond themselves or stupid ass campaign ads step into the voting booth and keep voting for the same, crooked retards over and over and over again.

I'm done. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A SINGLE INCUMBENT in the next election, period.

This is pretty much how I feel. With the masses blindly voting for one of the usual Democrat or Republican options, I don't see anything changing if I vote for a lesser-known but more qualified incumbent. It's probably a bad mentality to have, but why should I even bother? At this point I'm just along for the ride and crossing my fingers that my rights don't get trampled too badly or that the country doesn't get messed up much worse.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I like how google is showing the 123rd anniversary of Yosemite.

Now's the best time to go! It's not like there's going to be a lot of crowds

 

[rudder]

800,000 people put on unpaid leave? Huge increase in deficit? Military not getting paid?

And the Tea Party is gloating?

No way Obama and the Dems can do anything but what they are doing. If they give in then they are changing the entire nature of US government. Literally as few as 26 percent of voters are then running the US government because they threaten to bring down the country.

And I hope voters remember the huge hit the economy is taking from FUD over this and the debt ceiling. Throw in the sequester and its as if the Republicans are intentionally screwing the US economy. Well, its not "as if". They are screwing the US economy intentionally.

This.

I mean the ACA passed without having to pull any reconciliation vote trickery because the 2/3s majority wasn't there.. Why can't the Republicans act like adults.

And forget the fact that obama has illegally delayed implementation or changed legislation on certain parts of the ACA law.

I mean it is all good. The government should only be run by a super minority anyway.

 

[MarkXIX]

Meh, typically these don't last very long. Think the longest was under a month IIRC, usually they only last a couple of days. Plus a few useless civil servants staying home not getting paid is hardly a big hit to the economy. Essential services will still be there. I'm sure everyone at the NSA will still be there with their $50 billion to creep on your Facebook page.

Maybe I'm missing your sarcasm here, but I am someone who is NOT getting paid as of noon today, as it stands right now. I have three kids, a mortgage, etc.

Granted, I have planned my finances and I can manage my situation, many can't.

Attitudes like yours are where the other disconnect is in our country. Most people worry only about the cell phone in front of their face and the people that they can send their little messages to. Most people have NO SENSE of the world outside of their own. It's sad that my 2nd grader has more sense of this situation than the average American and I'm being completely serious.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We, as Americans, have failed here. Bottom line. These elected assholes are there BECAUSE WE PUT THEM THERE!!! Because ignorant fucks who can't see beyond themselves or stupid ass campaign ads step into the voting booth and keep voting for the same, crooked retards over and over and over again.

I'm done. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A SINGLE INCUMBENT in the next election, period.

So let's see how that works. The boss (either the Republican or Democratic party) effectively chooses who can participate for office at the national (and mostly state levels) then you get to pick from their couple of options. Then you go to pick either the selected Republican or Democrat or the "I don't stand a chance in hell, but I'm ticked so I'm running" candidate. Pick the latter and you might as well have stayed home. So choose who the Bit Two say you can have. If it's an incumbent then OK. If it's not then the new guy was picked because he's part of the party machine so the new boss will pretty much be the same as the old. May look and sound different, but when the Devil owns all souls there's not much to choose from. Then you could stay home and save gas money. You and I are irrelevant anymore.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This.

I mean the ACA passed without having to pull any reconciliation vote trickery because the 2/3s majority wasn't there.. Why can't the Republicans act like adults.

And forget the fact that obama has illegally delayed implementation or changed legislation on certain parts of the ACA law.

I mean it is all good. The government should only be run by a super minority anyway.

It's what everyone asked for, at least Democrats and Republicans. This is how things get done these days.

Maybe things ought to get shut down for 6 months or a year and we post the current whereabouts of politicians on the internet.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Maybe I'm missing your sarcasm here, but I am someone who is NOT getting paid as of noon today, as it stands right now. I have three kids, a mortgage, etc.

Granted, I have planned my finances and I can manage my situation, many can't.

Attitudes like yours are where the other disconnect is in our country. Most people worry only about the cell phone in front of their face and the people that they can send their little messages to. Most people have NO SENSE of the world outside of their own. It's sad that my 2nd grader has more sense of this situation than the average American and I'm being completely serious.

That sucks. Seriously. Too bad your bosses will still be paid. I'd love to see what would happen if all DC politicians got their pay and expense accounts frozen.

 

[z1ggy]

So let's see how that works. The boss (either the Republican or Democratic party) effectively chooses who can participate for office at the national (and mostly state levels) then you get to pick from their couple of options. Then you go to pick either the selected Republican or Democrat or the "I don't stand a chance in hell, but I'm ticked so I'm running" candidate. Pick the latter and you might as well have stayed home. So choose who the Bit Two say you can have. If it's an incumbent then OK. If it's not then the new guy was picked because he's part of the party machine so the new boss will pretty much be the same as the old. May look and sound different, but when the Devil owns all souls there's not much to choose from. Then you could stay home and save gas money. You and I are irrelevant anymore.

This. When my options to pick a rep are compiled of Idiot, Fool and no-chance-in-hell-he-can-win... I think I might as well just stay at home.

 

[MarkXIX]

So let's see how that works. The boss (either the Republican or Democratic party) effectively chooses who can participate for office at the national (and mostly state levels) then you get to pick from their couple of options. Then you go to pick either the selected Republican or Democrat or the "I don't stand a chance in hell, but I'm ticked so I'm running" candidate. Pick the latter and you might as well have stayed home. So choose who the Bit Two say you can have. If it's an incumbent then OK. If it's not then the new guy was picked because he's part of the party machine so the new boss will pretty much be the same as the old. May look and sound different, but when the Devil owns all souls there's not much to choose from. Then you could stay home and save gas money. You and I are irrelevant anymore.

I agree, we've lost our ability to truly choose our government. BUT, if more citizens (note I didn't say people) were invested in the process, and actually paid attention, I do believe things would improve. We've divested ourselves from responsibility, from activism, from knowledge, and we've accepted mediocrity and the status quo as "the way things are."

 

[Jeffg010]

Maybe I'm missing your sarcasm here, but I am someone who is NOT getting paid as of noon today, as it stands right now. I have three kids, a mortgage, etc.

Granted, I have planned my finances and I can manage my situation, many can't.

Attitudes like yours are where the other disconnect is in our country. Most people worry only about the cell phone in front of their face and the people that they can send their little messages to. Most people have NO SENSE of the world outside of their own. It's sad that my 2nd grader has more sense of this situation than the average American and I'm being completely serious.

Like this never happen to someone not working out side the government. There has been plenty of people good people who lose jobs everyday. Just because you work for the government does not mean you are any more special. You can thank your bosses for all the over spending that has happen. At some point it got be addressed but the people running the show are to stupid to do anything about it.

 

[AmdEmAll]

800,000 people put on unpaid leave? Huge increase in deficit? Military not getting paid?

And the Tea Party is gloating?

No way Obama and the Dems can do anything but what they are doing. If they give in then they are changing the entire nature of US government. Literally as few as 26 percent of voters are then running the US government because they threaten to bring down the country.

And I hope voters remember the huge hit the economy is taking from FUD over this and the debt ceiling. Throw in the sequester and its as if the Republicans are intentionally screwing the US economy. Well, its not "as if". They are screwing the US economy intentionally.

Obama passed a bill that Active Duty military is getting paid.

 

[MarkXIX]

Like this never happen to someone not working out side the government. There has been plenty of people good people who lose jobs everyday. Just because you work for the government does not mean you are any more special. You can thank your bosses for all the over spending that has happen. At some point it got be addressed but the people running the show are to stupid to do anything about it.

I agree completely, I'm not somehow holding myself higher than any corporate employee anywhere else. Hell, I am strongly considering leaving federal service after 10+ years and going back in the corporate sector.

Again, to address your statement "the people running the show are to (sic) stupid to do anything about it," WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RUNNING THE SHOW. Our elected officials are supposed to be doing what WE need/want of our federal government.

 

[boomerang]

Did I miss it? What exactly is involved in "the Purge"?

 

[Vdubchaos]

Voting is worthless. Sooner American's realize this and accept it the sooner this country will get back on track.

When it comes to voting, it's pretty simple. VOTE WITH YOUR MONEY.

Corps are the ones that pay politicians REAL money. Let's face it, we don't pay them SHIT.

So where you go to shop/buy is who you are essentially supporting.

Don't support the corps, and they won't have the power to influence the politicians to align their business plan.

Now, how do you change our society so that they give up their malls/shopping sprees on BS....is beyond me.

This entire country needs a big reset button and it will take MANY years of living "by world standards and struggle" for this country to get back on the right page.

NO American wants to sacrifice their comfort or convenience for the good of the country.

 

[skimple]

two party is not the same thing is bipartisan.

Bipartisan is two parties working together on issues where they oppose eachother. The last time there was real bipartisan governing was under Clinton(and the presidents before him). Bipartisan went the way of the dodo when the GOP had control of everything under Bush. They got a taste total control/power of doing what ever they wanted when ever they wanted and now want to do that even though they do not have the votes. Well not all of them as most the the GOP Senators are sane(it was what 76-24 to invoke cloture to stop Cruz from filibustering) as are a good deal of Reps. The moderate Reps were just 17 GOP votes shy over overthrowing the tea bagging nutbaggery yesterday.

Um, no.

Not sure how old you are, but I think you are mis-remembering. The reason that Clinton and the GOP-controlled congress cooperated is because both won mandates. Clinton defeated an incumbent president, which is a rare event. At the same time, the GOP took control of a congress that had been firmly under Democratic control for over 30 years. The Democrats were mostly happy because they loved Bill, and the GOP was happy because they finally had some power. As a result, they both had to acknowledge the popular support that the other had, which resulted in a negotiated balanced budget.

Prior to that, you have to go back to Carter before you find a time when both the Presidency and the congress were controlled by the same party. And it wasn't all sunshine and roses in the late 70s.

When the Democrats took control of everything under Obama, they went just as power crazy as the GOP had. The only difference is that if you are a supporter of the left, you thought their actions were all reasonable.

The fact is that neither party can be trusted with full control.

 

[rh71]

big corporations ($$$) run the politicians... watch Park Avenue on Netflix.

If that weren't infuriating enough, just look at these guys' salaries.

We're screwed any way we look at it.

 

[feralkid]

Obama passed a bill that Active Duty military is getting paid.

He signed it.

The President can't "pass" bills; that's the job of Congress.

 

[Aharami]

Meh, typically these don't last very long. Think the longest was under a month IIRC, usually they only last a couple of days. Plus a few useless civil servants staying home not getting paid is hardly a big hit to the economy. Essential services will still be there. I'm sure everyone at the NSA will still be there with their $50 billion to creep on your Facebook page.

I understand that you're most likely half-kidding, but I had a trip planned to Acadia National Park in Maine this weekend. I now have to cancel because there is no point driving up 9 hrs if the main attraction is closed. All those hotels, restaurants, businesses, in and around Bar Harbor will be losing out on HUGE sums of money. This will happen across all the national parks around the country. Since I won't be driving up there anymore, I will not be stopping at rest stops and buying food. I will not be spending the $1.5K I had budgeted for this trip. That is just one household.

IIRC this will be a $1billion a month hit to the economy. So it's not just a "few useless civil servants staying home not getting paid" as you put it!

 

[Vdubchaos]

big corporations ($$$) run the politicians... watch Park Avenue on Netflix.

If that weren't infuriating enough, just look at these guys' salaries.

We're screwed any way we look at it.

If people decide to NOT support these big corps, their business will tank and they will not be an influence.

But it would take a coordinated effort.

 

[MarkXIX]

He signed it.

The President can't "pass" bills; that's the job of Congress.

Even then, he didn't "sign" it. The Speaker of the House and the Vice President did.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113hr3210enr/pdf/BILLS-113hr3210enr.pdf

 

[foghorn67]

800,000 people put on unpaid leave? Huge increase in deficit? Military not getting paid?

And the Tea Party is gloating?

No way Obama and the Dems can do anything but what they are doing. If they give in then they are changing the entire nature of US government. Literally as few as 26 percent of voters are then running the US government because they threaten to bring down the country.

And I hope voters remember the huge hit the economy is taking from FUD over this and the debt ceiling. Throw in the sequester and its as if the Republicans are intentionally screwing the US economy. Well, its not "as if". They are screwing the US economy intentionally.

You are just as guilty to pin this on one side.

Kids, this is why America will fail. They will not believe their "side" failed.
This personal pride, on their ideals, who they voted for. Total denial.

 

[BoomerD]

So let's see how that works. The boss (either the Republican or Democratic party) effectively chooses who can participate for office at the national (and mostly state levels) then you get to pick from their couple of options. Then you go to pick either the selected Republican or Democrat or the "I don't stand a chance in hell, but I'm ticked so I'm running" candidate. Pick the latter and you might as well have stayed home. So choose who the Bit Two say you can have. If it's an incumbent then OK. If it's not then the new guy was picked because he's part of the party machine so the new boss will pretty much be the same as the old. May look and sound different, but when the Devil owns all souls there's not much to choose from. Then you could stay home and save gas money. You and I are irrelevant anymore.

I've said this for years.

"We the People" have been sold out. We no longer matter...it's all about "We the Corporations." THEY have the money that the political machines want. We are given the "right to vote" for candidates that were pre-picked by the machine to continue "business as usual." Our "right to vote" is merely an illusion to placate the sheep...
Unfortunately, the system is so corrupted by "Big Money" that you could elect the most honest man in the world...and he'd quickly become just as corrupt as the rest...or he'd "have an accident" and be replaced by someone who would "play ball."

WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT...and we don't seem to care!

Hey look...American Idol is on tonight!