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Riots without responsibility - paying the price for the entitlement culture

CADsortaGUY

CADsortaGUY

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Riots without responsibility
We've failed to teach our kids that an entitlement culture is wrong. Now we are paying the price

In a way, we are all responsible for the riots, whether directly or indirectly. We watched the previous government talk up rights for young people but with no mention of responsibilities. We have allowed our welfare system to prop up immoral lifestyles. We have not taught all our young people that an entitlement culture is morally wrong. And we have paid the price for this liberalism. Now we need to collectively grow up and take responsibility for responsibility.
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Now granted this is about the UK riots but it also applies well to the whole flash mob issue we have here to an extent.
Can the liberal entitlement mentality really be to blame? I don't fully think so but it certainly plays a big part.
Solutions? I'm always an advocate for more personal responsibility and it seems like things have gotten so out of control that parenting responsibilities have increasingly been shifted to the gov't. I say we stop inviting the gov't into our houses to raise our kids. It'll take a while but it certainly needs to happen to have any long term hope of correcting this issue. Immediate solutions though is not having MORE gov't - but just utilizing the gov't we already have to actually enforce the law so it discourages future lawless behavior.
 
Where and when will you teach? Many were not born or when to school there schools weren't really teaching anything...

Countries like US and UK import poor people thinking that we have so much resources! we can support everyone. They forget that if these people stayed where they were, it could have been much cheaper to take care of them and they would have learned the value of hard work
 
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First, dont accuse liberalism as the blame. Conservative governing policies hace created an extremely abundant amount of laws affecting social issues children deal with, and they all involve shifting the blame onto someone else (teachers/government social programs)

The culture needs to change now with each vote and every candidate. We keep talking about less government but nobody says a word when the local legislature passes a new misd. or fel offense for something that is probably the parents fault.
 
All this talk of immoral lifestyles, criminality, etc. is so similar to how Assad, Gaddafi, and others have addressed the protests that they are also confronting. The backdrop is similar though. It is due to high unemployment, disenfranchisement, inequality (economic, racial, etc.), and other social factors. Refusing to acknowledge the truth won't solve anything, but make things worse.
 
Let's look at the situation empirically. There was civil unrest before the nanny state ever existed. I don't see a connection EXCEPT that when people are propped enough to have cell phones and other modern luxuries they have less of a moral argument for violence.
 
My teacher told me once that people are like lemmings, sometimes they do stupid things when in a large group, a mob mentality.
 
CanOWorms said:
All this talk of immoral lifestyles, criminality, etc. is so similar to how Assad, Gaddafi, and others have addressed the protests that they are also confronting. The backdrop is similar though. It is due to high unemployment, disenfranchisement, inequality (economic, racial, etc.), and other social factors. Refusing to acknowledge the truth won't solve anything, but make things worse.
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So what is "the truth"?
 
I always thought the entitlement mentality was more of an issue with day to day stuff, like government programs, consumerism, public school, and breaking traffic laws.
 
CanOWorms said:
It's in the second last sentence.
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So "it" is riots or is "it" protests. I'd hardly consider the UK situation a "protest" nor would I consider the mob riots here a "protest". I guess i'm a bit confused as to what your "truth" since it seems to be in a different context.
I'd agree that if there were mass protests like some of them going on that you point out but the American and UK riots seems a bit less directed than the protests you point out.
Breaking shit is fun but unless it's to achieve an end goal it's just gratuitous violence.

But regardless of the word choice issue I have I'm sure some of those factors you point out are relevant to this case and are quite similar to or encompassed by the entitlement mentality.
 
CADsortaGUY said:
So "it" is riots or is "it" protests. I'd hardly consider the UK situation a "protest" nor would I consider the mob riots here a "protest". I guess i'm a bit confused as to what your "truth" since it seems to be in a different context.
I'd agree that if there were mass protests like some of them going on that you point out but the American and UK riots seems a bit less directed than the protests you point out.
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There are protests and riots. It's difficult to characterize, which is a problem even the BBC has been facing.

Breaking shit is fun but unless it's to achieve an end goal it's just gratuitous violence.
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I think that there are some goals among the people. For example, among the most common grievances are police brutality, racism, etc. Wouldn't the burning down of police stations achieve an end goal of showing the police forces that they are not the only ones with power?

But regardless of the word choice issue I have I'm sure some of those factors you point out are relevant to this case and are quite similar to or encompassed by the entitlement mentality.
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I question the entitlement mentality when many of these people are denied entitlements that are provided to the rest of society.
 
I think that having a solid welfare state does create some "sponging" morons, but that's just a very small negative we have to put up with for such a great system.
 
it's not entitlement it's lack of identity. We've been able to get around the problems by having stuff, a job to define yourself by, etc...but no longer.
 
Catch a few people at these "flash mob" riots. Subpoena their facebook and cell phone records. Deprive them of their cell phones as evidence. Find the bastards who initiated the entire event, and throw everything you've got at them. We have plenty of laws to deal with this type of behavior, but the police and DAs seem to be too lazy to actually do any work to set an example and squash it in the beginning.
 
Considering the long history of various types of civil unrest, it seems silly to blame a modern political ideology...especially without demonstrating a link between the two.

And I'm not sure I accept the premise that we're increasingly falling into "an entitlement mentality" at all. We're increasingly being told that society is going to hell on a speedboat, which naturally takes the form of whatever defines our particular "hell", but I question the accuracy of that information. Or more accurately, I question the selectiveness of that information. There's big money in "reporting" what your audience already believes, and modern information makes the echo chamber effect that much stronger. Has anyone really done a good job scientifically PROVING that things are getting worse though, or is it just a good example of the plural of anecdote not being data?
 
One thing we did right by our younger generation is to teach them to recognize and reject abuse by those in postions of power and authority.

This is the real reason youth are rioting. You cannot deny that our government and corporate businesses are entirely corrupt. Just look at the financial crisis we are in now.

All of what you see now is because of those in power. So don't be so blase in assuming the youth are just ignorant and misguided.
 
Since reagan and the social regression that did follow not only in the US
but in the whole western world , never in history the rich did experience
such a growth of their wealth.

This wealth was increased thanks to corrupted governments that did
not set the taxes rates accordingly , choosing instead to heavily indebt
their countries, with the current result, as a mean to perform a genuine
richness transfert at the benefit of the richest part of the society,
and at the expenses of the necessary education spendings..
 
CanOfWorms just cant accept that these are just lazy, good for nothing youths who were given anything they wanted on a platter so they decided to do nothing with their lives. This is what happens when you remove the idea that you need to pay your own way.
 
These were not protests. They were riots. Plain and simple.

People don't protest by burning down city blocks and looting fine electronics and houseware stores.

It's not surprising people won't admit these were criminal riots, they can do no wrong and are never wrong to begin with, remember?
 
Vic Vega said:
These were not protests. They were riots. Plain and simple.

People don't protest by burning down city blocks and looting fine electronics and houseware stores.

It's not surprising people won't admit these were criminal riots, they can do no wrong and are never wrong to begin with, remember?
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Just ignore the trolls they talk a load of crap....They are riots,last protest London wise was the small one after the shooting lastweek,http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-peaceful-protest .

Unfortunately you get gangs/troublemakers that mix in with peaceful protesters and it turns into a riot....some people need to learn the difference between protest and riots.
 
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