Rick Perry shaken up by Obama’s disturbing threat to governors in meeting

[thraashman]

No, because your post feeds the stereotype that evolutionary scientists don't believe in anything, and from the way it sounds, if you don't "believe", then you have complete and absolute knowledge.

There are certainly things that evolutionary biologists "believe". But until they can prove them, those things don't become part of the theory of evolution. You don't put beliefs into theory. Theory contains and explains facts, it has nothing to do with belief. And any good scientist will not let what they believe change how they look at evidence, and if the evidence points to something different than what they believe a good scientist will stop believing that which the evidence does not support.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

<snip> And any good scientist will not let what they believe change how they look at evidence, and if the evidence points to something different than what they believe a good scientist will stop believing that which the evidence does not support.

And thusly the difference between science and belief is explained succinctly. :thumbsup:

 

[Ventanni]

Evolution needs to be taught in schools at all levels. It is the underlying foundation of biology, chemistry, and genetics, and without it science is incomplete. True scientists in the field are have to be reasonably open-minded, because the entire scientific process relies on reproducing results with said theories, and refining, improving, or even scrapping said theories to fit the results. This is why we have automobiles, advanced pharmaceuticals, computers, smartphones, etc, and if you're against teaching evolution in school, then what you're really doing is dismissing the scientific gains we've made over the last 200 years.

Whether you choose to believe evolution is a personal choice, but it must be taught, because it's necessary for the understanding of all sciences.

 

[werepossum]

I can haz education?

LOL Funny, but probably had more impact before Obama misspelled "respect."

 

[Texashiker]

And any good scientist will not let what they believe change how they look at evidence, and if the evidence points to something different than what they believe a good scientist will stop believing that which the evidence does not support.

I guess that is why it took the scientific community 50+ years to accept javaman was a new species?

The truth is, even when the evidence is right there, it will be rejected if it goes against accepted theory.

Now that the real science of DNA has entered the scene it is getting difficult for scientist to dismiss new evidence. But even when new evidence is presented it is still sometimes dismissed.

 

[Jhhnn]

Theory contains and explains facts, it has nothing to do with belief. And any good scientist will not let what they believe change how they look at evidence, and if the evidence points to something different than what they believe a good scientist will stop believing that which the evidence does not support.

Well, yeh, but True Believers just want to castigate the blasphemers, push their beliefs into realms where they don't belong, like science & public policy.

The ones playing Chicken Little about Sharia law are usually doing the most pushing, of course, with old testament fire & brimstone "Christianity", as if such a thing isn't an oxymoron.

 

[kage69]

I'm having a hard time sympathizing with the likes of Perry regarding education, but on top of that I simply don't accept, at face value, what these anti-science republican idiots offer as stories and personal experiences. They always end up being complete bullshit.

I don't blame Obama for this at all actually. He's been remarkably tolerant with the GOTP crowd given the lack of respect they show him, and their jobs. Can't blame a guy for wanting less idiots in this country. I suppose I can't blame the likes of Perry for being worried. Greater, more widespread education is a threat to republicans. See Karl Rove and his feelings on "too much education," circa 2004.

I really don't care which party is in power: anyone trying to taint a science classroom with creationist tripe has no business making decisions for anyone else regarding education, and I really couldn't care less if idiots with persecution complexes like Perry feel threatened by it.

Hey Perry, you think any Texans felt shaken when they heard you like to spend time hunting at your camp ******head? I'll bet some wished you were raised differently, perhaps even more educated! Damn, someone should do something about that!

 

[Pens1566]

Considering Texas has some of the best engineering universities in the nation,,,.

Which has zero to do with state policy.

 

[norseamd]

I wouldn't trust Rick Perry to make decisions about education or transportation infrastructure either.

same here

 

[werepossum]

Really! That's very interesting. Where did you come by this information about progressives?

Ahem.

Perry might be a slow learner, but he knows when to grandstand for the mouth breathers, secessionists, tenthers, truthers, birthers, creationists & other unfortunates in his base. He also has to pander to the uber-wealthy conservatives who own & run Texas, as well.

They might rank near the bottom for spending on education, but they're right at the top for spending on executions, and that's all that really matters, right?

Never takes long, even when forewarned.

I know exactly what you're referring to--it's your understanding that is off.

Today, there is no great challenge in extracting "ancient dinosaur DNA" from birds--birds are dinosaurs. Their DNA is dinosaur DNA.

What they would be doing is expressing and overexpressing certain regions of the genome that they think might develop a more reptilian dinosaur creature, and of course they need to grow that fetus in some other type of egg...a gator, maybe? I'm not sure, really.

Either, way, no idea what this has to do with what you think needs to be in primary education. This stuff can be discussed and is discussed in a good science course. But of course it is only relevant when you understand that the planet is 4.5 billion years old, dinosaurs evolved into birds, Jesus never rode one, and creationism has no place in that classroom.

If you are arguing that high school science courses need access to Solexa sequencing machines, IACUC access, protocols, animal facilities, BG1 and 2 access to perform recombinant experiments, then well....that's kinda cool, really, but extremely naive and quite simply--the expertise and knowledge for 98% of teenagers simply won't be there.

If you are further arguing, as you often do, that that type of access is the only "true science," whatever you mean by that, then you are just being daft again.

If these scientists expressing and overexpressing certain regions of the genome suddenly grew a velociraptor that would be pretty cool - although I'm sure someone would proclaim it just like the one Jesus rode when he chased the Jews out of Egypt. As far as sequencing machines in high school, we couldn't even have a fish tank without some idiot spitting tobacco juice in it. I shudder to imagine what body parts and, um, fluids would wind up in a sequencing machine.

 

[DrPizza]

The state is not responsible for you.

If that was the fact we would not have poverty or homeless.




You dont even understand what happened in this thread. This is a classic bait and switch.

First I baited the evolutionary zealots, then presented my real debate.

I never said in this thread I did not believe in evolution. The zealots "assumed" I did not. then when they realized they were baited they got pissed off.

Suckers.




Let the butt hurt flow through you.

Dinner's almost done, so I don't have time to search for the proper post to ding with the trolling infraction. But, if you're going to admit to trolling, then so be it. -Admin DrPizza

Edit: Oh crud, this was supposed to be a mod edit, not a quote. Ooops.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Dinner's almost done, so I don't have time to search for the proper post to ding with the trolling infraction. But, if you're going to admit to trolling, then so be it. -Admin DrPizza

Edit: Oh crud, this was supposed to be a mod edit, not a quote. Ooops.

What's for dinner?

 

[Jhhnn]

Never takes long, even when forewarned.

You betcha-

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...o-bottom-among-states-in-student-spending.ece

49th in spending on education. You were saying?

 

[ch33zw1z]

ouch, 49th? That's more than "close to"...

 

[DrPizza]

What's for dinner?

Golumpki (I'm half Polish - cabbage stuffed with beef and rice, with crushed tomatoes and tomato sauce over them. Cooked them for a few hours yesterday.) Tomorrow's dinner is stuffed chicken breast. Wednesday's dinner is 24oz porterhouse steaks with a lobster tail, baked potato, and broccoli. Maybe later, I'll try to digest the OP a little better - Obama says that it's sad that he feels he doesn't trust the state governors with education and transportation infrastructure. And, I'm sure we can list dozens of examples of why (including, (I'm late to the thread) something to do with evolution/creationism, certain bridges in NJ, bridges to nowhere in Alaska, etc.) - I'm not sure how that "threat" relates to the EPA, but the OP isn't known to quote the relevant parts of articles sometimes.

 

[DrPizza]

But evolution IS absolute truth.

I don't believe there's anything in science that a scientist would say is the "absolute truth." However, in response to his "it's not absolute" - science is about a certain in evolution as they are gravity.

 

[norseamd]

Golumpki (I'm half Polish - cabbage stuffed with beef and rice, with crushed tomatoes and tomato sauce over them. Cooked them for a few hours yesterday.) Tomorrow's dinner is stuffed chicken breast. Wednesday's dinner is 24oz porterhouse steaks with a lobster tail, baked potato, and broccoli. Maybe later, I'll try to digest the OP a little better - Obama says that it's sad that he feels he doesn't trust the state governors with education and transportation infrastructure. And, I'm sure we can list dozens of examples of why (including, (I'm late to the thread) something to do with evolution/creationism, certain bridges in NJ, bridges to nowhere in Alaska, etc.) - I'm not sure how that "threat" relates to the EPA, but the OP isn't known to quote the relevant parts of articles sometimes.

you plan out every meal of the week in advance?

 

[norseamd]

ouch, 49th? That's more than "close to"...

what is 50th?

 

[Moonbeam]

What's for dinner?

From the post I thought maybe crow.

 

[norseamd]

I don't believe there's anything in science that a scientist would say is the "absolute truth." However, in response to his "it's not absolute" - science is about a certain in evolution as they are gravity.

the reason he would be fussing over the word absolute is because it is what the church uses to promote dogma. if something is not absolute then it most certainly not true. but the bible (and make sure to remember the church) always has truth on everything. the word relativism is actually vilified by the church. true story. like heretic class vilified

 

[norseamd]

From the post I thought maybe crow.

the crows in my area are much to smart to be made as food

(know what eat crow means)

 

[Retro Rob]

I don't believe there's anything in science that a scientist would say is the "absolute truth." However, in response to his "it's not absolute" - science is about a certain in evolution as they are gravity.

I said "it's not absolute truth" so that I won't be taken out of context as if I was denying evolution in that post.

I'm not saying you're doing that, but I just wanted to make sure that I am properly understood.

 

[werepossum]

You betcha-

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...o-bottom-among-states-in-student-spending.ece

49th in spending on education. You were saying?

Thank you for making my point. As always, unwittingly, but still, thanks.

 

[werepossum]

I said "it's not absolute truth" so that I won't be taken out of context as if I was denying evolution in that post.

I'm not saying you're doing that, but I just wanted to make sure that I am properly understood.

Granted, it's always possible that G-d created the Earth 6,000 years ago and made it look a few billion years old just to mess with us, but that would make G-d a real dick. Please don't call G-d a dick. Might as well insist there is no such thing as gravity, it's just G-d putting things back where He wants them. At that level of uncertainty, science becomes useless to us, whereas if we accept evolution and gravity as absolute truth, then we can extrapolate useful things.

 

[Corn]

My IQ has dropped a few points after, like, reading this thread. A moron on one side says something moronic and a bunch of other morons waste time engaged in debate with the first moron. Durrrrrrr.......