Rick Perry shaken up by Obama’s disturbing threat to governors in meeting

[Ventanni]

It's more of an issue of being personally accountable to the state you govern. Obama has seen a lot of shenanigans happen in American states, and he's probably tired of hearing it.

Texas - Shenanigans regarding what's to be taught in science class.
New Jersey - Shenanigans regarding fabricated traffic blockages.
Florida - Shenanigans regarding corruption galore at the city level.

I think it's absolutely amazing to see the American president stand up and say, "We need to be making better decisions. We need to be holding ourselves personally accountable to those we govern," and be a true leader among leaders. I mean, let's be honest, the governor of your state has more impact on your personal life than the American president does. Ever since 9/11, politics has really broken down into giant pissing matches between the Democratic and Republican parties. We're all held accountable, and we're all to blame. Not one person in office, including the president, is blameless, but I still respect him for taking a stand stating, "I don't want to see this crap. This is unacceptable."

When the President of the United States tells you that he no longer trusts you to make certain decisions, it means you really messed up. Good for him to state that, and good for the governors to finally be held accountable to someone for once.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Yes, clearly Obama should control education, since only he has our RSPECT.

Not saying that by any means, but Rick Perry isn't one to be complaining about the feds wanting to keep a close eye on what the state he is governing when it comes to education and transportation.

 

[Texashiker]

This is a bizarre and simply false description of education in America. 100 years ago our illiteracy rate was about 8%. Now it is less than 1%.

Good job at ignoring the main point of my post.

Measuring illiteracy rate and saying education has improved is a fallacy. Yes, illiteracy rate has gone down, but how many kids finishing high school read at an 8th or 9th grade level?

High school science does not do crap when someone can not balance a check book, or fill out an application, or write a resume.

For that matter, high school science does not do crap to start with. The real science comes in college. High school in general does a terrible job of preparing students for real life.

Like I said, people like you do not care about education. All you want to do is push an agenda.

 

[werepossum]

On what basis do you say that?

12th in the US
http://www.edweek.org/ew/qc/2012/16src.h31.html?intc=EW-QC12-LFTNAV


14th in the US
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2...W1p2K2SFHTAx9&cmp=clp-edweek&intc=EW-QC13-EWH


49th in spending per student
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...o-bottom-among-states-in-student-spending.ece

To a proggie, spending per student is the ONLY metric.

It's more of an issue of being personally accountable to the state you govern. Obama has seen a lot of shenanigans happen in American states, and he's probably tired of hearing it.

Texas - Shenanigans regarding what's to be taught in science class.
New Jersey - Shenanigans regarding fabricated traffic blockages.
Florida - Shenanigans regarding corruption galore at the city level.

I think it's absolutely amazing to see the American president stand up and say, "We need to be making better decisions. We need to be holding ourselves personally accountable to those we govern," and be a true leader among leaders. I mean, let's be honest, the governor of your state has more impact on your personal life than the American president does. Ever since 9/11, politics has really broken down into giant pissing matches between the Democratic and Republican parties. We're all held accountable, and we're all to blame. Not one person in office, including the president, is blameless, but I still respect him for taking a stand stating, "I don't want to see this crap. This is unacceptable."

When the President of the United States tells you that he no longer trusts you to make certain decisions, it means you really messed up. Good for him to state that, and good for the governors to finally be held accountable to someone for once.

Sweet Lord, what a dumb ass.

When the President of the United States tells you that he no longer trusts you to make certain decisions, it means he is of a different party, period. None of these state shenanigans come anywhere near to the IRS scandal or to Fast and Furious - or the sheer ineptitude or malicious destruction (take your pick) of Obamacare.

 

[fskimospy]

Good job at ignoring the main point of my post.

Measuring illiteracy rate and saying education has improved is a fallacy. Yes, illiteracy rate has gone down, but how many kids finishing high school read at an 8th or 9th grade level?

High school science does not do crap when someone can not balance a check book, or fill out an application, or write a resume.

For that matter, high school science does not do crap to start with. The real science comes in college.

High school in general does a terrible job of preparing students for real life.

Considering that literacy is one of the main goals of education it is perfectly fine to say that improved literacy means improved education. Considering the fact that many children a century ago didn't even go to school past 8th grade, reading at an 8th or 9th grade level today also seems like an improvement to me.

Are you saying that Americans had a greater sense of financial literacy a century ago than they do today? That they were better resume writers? What could you possibly be basing this on?

High school science is perfectly fine. You are now twirling off into a tangent from what was a very simple statement: only teach science in science class.

 

[fskimospy]

To a proggie, spending per student is the ONLY metric.

Really! That's very interesting. Where did you come by this information about progressives?

 

[Texashiker]

only teach science in science class.

Considering evolution is not a true science, then lets not teach it either.

 

[fskimospy]

Considering evolution is not a true science, then lets not teach it either.

This is factually false.

 

[Ventanni]

Good job at ignoring the main point of my post.

Measuring illiteracy rate and saying education has improved is a fallacy. Yes, illiteracy rate has gone down, but how many kids finishing high school read at an 8th or 9th grade level?

High school science does not do crap when someone can not balance a check book, or fill out an application, or write a resume.

For that matter, high school science does not do crap to start with. The real science comes in college. High school in general does a terrible job of preparing students for real life.

Like I said, people like you do not care about education. All you want to do is push an agenda.

I respect your opinion, but I have to interject here. High school is critical for students for balancing a check book, filling out an application, and writing a resume. Even though high school doesn't teach those things specifically (even though I was taught in 5th grade how to balance a check book), grades 1-12 are all about teaching kids the critical thinking process so that they can take any problem and solve it on your own. College is a further stretching and molding of this process, and then you really begin to learn a specific trade using what you've learned.

The human brain is just like a muscle. It needs to be stressed, stretched, and relaxed in order to fully develop. That's what high school is all about; so when kids do finally reach adulthood, they have the necessary basic tools to figure it out on their own.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

On the basis already discussed in the thread, that Texas has recently attempted to start teaching creationism in their science classes.

Look at the bright side...at least they aren't teaching Common Core.

 

[fskimospy]

Look at the bright side...at least they aren't teaching Common Core.

I think there are some good elements to common core, but I'm glad a lot of states aren't implementing it in its current incarnation as well.

 

[CitizenKain]

Considering evolution is not a true science, then lets not teach it either.

I'd love to hear why you don't think evolution is a true science.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I think there are some good elements to common core, but I'm glad a lot of states aren't implementing it in its current incarnation as well.

It needs a lot of work...Common Core math barely covers basic geometry or intermediate algebra. The classics are all but ignored in English classes and the new way they teach math is insane imo. If I'm picking poisons, I'll take Texas.

Fourth Grade Math Worksheet

 

[alzan]

Considering evolution is not a true science, then lets not teach it either.

Evolution is a scientific theory; just like the Big Bang, Gravity, etc.

In exactly what way are those not true science?

 

[Texashiker]

In exactly what way are those not true science?

Real science is when you have a theory, then do experiments to prove / disprove that theory.

Do an experiment to prove / disprove evolution.

I want to see a scientist take an ape and turn that ape into a person.

 

[Moonbeam]

When a brain defective governor, and brain defective is so many more ways than the normal levels of brain defectiveness makes a statement straight out of his enlarged fear magnifying right amygdala you will see rational minds debunk it and your average brain defective rush in to defend him. Irrational fear magnetized the conservative brain causing a jerking of the knee and flapping of the mouth. One can find the sever cases in city centers walking around carrying signs warning of impending doom. This phenomena is the result of childhood anxiety connected to ego identity issues that ameliorated by strict conformity to group identity standards. Such folk do not grow up to fulfill their actual inner potential, but are poured into a mold.

 

[CitizenKain]

Real science is when you have a theory, then do experiments to prove / disprove that theory.

Do an experiment to prove / disprove evolution.

I want to see a scientist take an ape and turn that ape into a person.

Fruit flies. Done.

Also look up what a common ancestor is. Or don't, because people who don't believe in evolution don't understand how science works anyway, so explaining things to them is pointless.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I can haz education?

 

[Moonbeam]

Real science is when you have a theory, then do experiments to prove / disprove that theory.

Do an experiment to prove / disprove evolution.

I want to see a scientist take an ape and turn that ape into a person.

I can try but are you willing to give up bananas?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Real science is when you have a theory, then do experiments to prove / disprove that theory.

Do an experiment to prove / disprove evolution.

I want to see a scientist take an ape and turn that ape into a person.

By saying you want that you're just showing you don't understand science.

What burdens of proof would you place on an astronomer before you call what they do science? Have them create a star for you? Take you to another galaxy so you can see that it is in the scale that they claim?

 

[fskimospy]

It needs a lot of work...Common Core math barely covers basic geometry or intermediate algebra and the classics are all but ignored in English classes. If I'm picking poisons, I'll take Texas.

Common core standards don't mandate specific texts be read and in fact the texts given as examples are full of classic literature. Also, basic geometry is most certainly covered. One part I like about them in particular is their inclusion of statistics and probability, something I think is often left out of a high school curriculum.

Also, the feds don't mandate common core and in fact have an explicit endorsement of states writing their own standards if they don't like them. There really isn't a "adopt common core standards or be taught creationism" either/or there.

 

[fskimospy]

Real science is when you have a theory, then do experiments to prove / disprove that theory.

Do an experiment to prove / disprove evolution.

I want to see a scientist take an ape and turn that ape into a person.

Posts like this are the best argument available for why Texas needs to teach evolution in schools. (and stick to science in science class in general)

 

[Texashiker]

Posts like this are the best argument available for why Texas needs to teach evolution in schools. (and stick to science in science class in general)

So you would teach theory, rather than real science in school?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So you would teach theory, rather than real science in school?

How truly fucking daft are you?

 

[fskimospy]

So you would teach theory, rather than real science in school?

You clearly do not understand science.

Theories are a vital component of science, and just so you know, gravity is a theory. Should we stop teaching kids about it?