Richest of the rich ponder how to level the field

[Incorruptible]

We could send the wealthy out to the countryside to learn from the peasants.





Oh wait, we did that. They came back with a big bag of farm subsidies.

Thanks to big government and cronyism.

 

[IronWing]

Thanks to big government and cronyism.

Yep, that's because the wealthy use their wealth to game the system to get wealthier. A no-nonsense inheritance tax trims back the tumor once a generation.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Conservatives always throw around the phrase "wealth redistribution" as if it's forcibly taking money from hard working job creators and giving it to worthless bums, essentially how they view every social program really. The way the government redistributes wealth is to tax very high earners at high rates in order to fund programs and initiatives to benefit society as a whole, particularly the middle class. Building bridges, repairing infrastructure, funding higher education, etc. I have absolutely no problem with this. Wealth concentration is like a snowball running downhill right now, and it is reaching truly obscene levels.

 

[theeedude]

Free market works in healthcare. Those countries are run by people who believe the government knows best and only government can run healthcare.

You're an idiot if you actually believe the system before obamacare was free market.

And you conveniently ignore the problems those countries with socialized healthcare face such as the death panels and rationing. Even Howard Dean attacked obamacare for the rationing.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obamacare-includes-death-panels-according-to-democrat-howard-dean

If free market system works so well, why hasn't it emerged victorious in ANY country? Why has it disappeared in America in the first place? There is no example of long term workable free market health care system delivering good results. It's a dodo bird.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The single biggest thing the 1% could do to help out the rest is to invest in infrastructures. Yes, the return is much less than playing the market but, there is still a return.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Agreed,we need government programs run by government. Single payer.

Nonsense. What we need are ideas that are created based on facts determined for specific purpose, then put to a test and then implemented without partisan hackery. Expert programs run by experts, not some fool in the WH and his minions. Not some "free marketeer" who has no more idea of what is needed than the government. Government as a facilitator? Sure. Taking over because someone likes the idea? People die that way. Us vs. Them again, not what is best.

Conservative minds.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Employers on a global scale could start by giving raises to the current employees that aren't at an executive level(not raises to just executives), and stop cutting benefits..

 

[MagickMan]

So there's nothing to the story in the OP?

Our "poor" are like the middle class of the Great Depression era, the poor during that time were in a much more desperate situation. This is more about people not getting enough money to buy cool things they want, not suffering and dying due to exposure and hunger. Not to say that doesn't happen these days, but it's more to do with mental illness than lack of resources and opportunity. That's who I feel sorry for, especially the children who get caught in the middle, with a parent who is nuts and can't provide for them. We have too many situations where they fall between the cracks. Instead of worrying about how they can afford the new Xbox, maybe more "average" Americans can help to look out for them?

Even the poorest individual can get a cot in a shelter and $200 worth of food from EBT each month. Back then there were no such services, people simply died and their bodies were gathered up with the trash each morning. I came from a household that would be classified as working poor. We didn't have a lot of things we wanted, but didn't go without what we needed either.

Want money to buy more stuff? Want to actually be able to retire?

1) Stop wasting time complaining online.
2) Get some free common sense guidance WRT finances from Dave Ramsey, or someone similar. Sure, they also sell things, but the best info from them doesn't cost a cent.
3) Stick with it and be persistent.

 

[MagickMan]

He doesn't know anything or he would have given reasons to support his obviously worthless opinion. He's just a worthless word assassin.

Quit being a useless troll and do something important with your life.

 

[theeedude]

Nonsense. What we need are ideas that are created based on facts determined for specific purpose, then put to a test and then implemented without partisan hackery. Expert programs run by experts, not some fool in the WH and his minions. Not some "free marketeer" who has no more idea of what is needed than the government.

Done already. Every developed country is well ahead of us there, so no need to reinvent the bicycle.

Government as a facilitator? Sure. Taking over because someone likes the idea? People die that way. Us vs. Them again, not what is best.
Conservative minds.

Not taking over when there are better ideas. People die that way. Tens of thousands of people per year, preventably die from lack of health coverage, when we know that other countries cover everyone and spend much less. Waste of lives and money.

 

[Thebobo]

You're an idiot if you actually believe the system before obamacare was free market.

And you conveniently ignore the problems those countries with socialized healthcare face such as the death panels and rationing. Even Howard Dean attacked obamacare for the rationing.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obamacare-includes-death-panels-according-to-democrat-howard-dean

Single payer is not socialism. We already have it in medicare and the military.

ALSO that absurd statement where you say Howard dean says death panels is not correct. Follow the head line links to where he originally was quoted from.

Wall street Journal - The Affordable Care Act's Rate-Setting Won't Work
Experience tells me the Independent Payment Advisory Board will fail.
By HOWARD DEAN.

To this

Howard Dean Admits Obamacare Includes Death Panels, Wants Them Repealed

to your link~

Obamacare includes death panels according to Democrat Howard Dean

No where does Dean say death panels you just want him to say that and thats why you only read at sites that will tell you what you want to read. Expand your horizons dude!

 

[TheAdvocate]

Free market doesn't work in health care, and there needs to be a socialist health care system.

We need a single payer system.

 

[glenn1]

We need a single payer system.

And that payer should be the person receiving services.

 

[theeedude]

And that payer should be the person receiving services.

So you are for eliminating health insurance completely and having everyone pay out of pocket?

 

[glenn1]

So you are for eliminating health insurance completely and having everyone pay out of pocket?

They already are in the vast majority of cases. "Health insurance" in the U.S. is actually pre-paid healthcare, not insurance in any sensible use of the term.

 

[theeedude]

They already are in the vast majority of cases. "Health insurance" in the U.S. is actually pre-paid healthcare, not insurance in any sensible use of the term.

Are you self insured?

 

[Incorruptible]

We need a single payer system.

We need a free market system.

 

[TheAdvocate]

you cannot have free market in healthcare. It will not work. The fundamentals of competition do not exist. When you need healthcare it is not optional. You cannot shop. You cannot say "I'll pass". The providers are limited and continuing to become more limited. It is not compatible. Try thinking outside your ideology. Be practical.

 

[Matt1970]

The inheritance tax worked very well at breaking up concentrations of wealth.

Ahh yes, let the government have the revenue for the people have more of a right to your earnings than your offspring do. They have proven time and time again they really are acting in our best interest and the money will be evenly distributed to those who need it.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Agreed,we need government programs run by government. Single payer.

We need more govt about as much as we need hemroids....

 

[silverpig]

We need a free market system.

Nope. Because crap like this can (will) still happen in one:

My father transported Meth to pay for my life saving surgery and received 3 life sentences w/o parole - AMA

Hi, My name is Joseph Cole Jackson and my Dad is Dicky Joe Jackson, a non-violent drug offender serving 3 life sentences. I was born with Wiskott-Aldrich Syndrome and to pay for my life saving surgeries, my Dad transported Meth for a guy and was eventually busted. You can read his full story here:
http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/jackson-dj/jackson-dj.html

The month that we tried to use the insurance they said they were going to help pay. We had the insurance on an auto-draft from the family account and my mom and dad budgeted for this every month and we didn't have a lot of money left over. The policy my family had taken out had fine print saying that if they ever missed a payment, that the insurance company had the right to revoke the insurance. So the next month came around and the tripled the premium without notification and cancelled our insurance.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Well obviously the lazy workers just need to work harder? Duh!

Jokes.

Reminds me of that wealthy Australian woman who said something similar, when she just inherited all of her wealth.

 

[gotsmack]

Here is how you level the field.

You have a national scholarship starting in the 1st grade.

You have to have below X family income to qualify and then you have to have to take a national test for it.

If you are in the top X%, you get a small stipend.

At the college level you only get the stipend if you are in an in demand degree program.

If you go to vocational school instead of college, same rules apply.

And also dump more money into basic research.

 

[MagickMan]

Well obviously the lazy workers just need to work harder? Duh!

Jokes.

Reminds me of that wealthy Australian woman who said something similar, when she just inherited all of her wealth.

It's not about working harder, it's about budgeting smarter, and that includes time as well as money. I figure you can sit here and complain, or you can work smarter to improve your financial situation.

 

[Ancalagon44]

It's not about working harder, it's about budgeting smarter, and that includes time as well as money. I figure you can sit here and complain, or you can work smarter to improve your financial situation.

For the average American, no matter how smart they budget, they will not get into the top 1%.

Its the great irony of the USA - that the American dream that keeps you all going is unattainable my most.