RIAA - Labels aim big guns at small file swappers.

[Vic]

Originally posted by: crumpet19
So what artists/labels are being represented by the RIAA? Any way to tell? I'd really like to start boycotting them even if this means just listening to local music.

The safest way to buy a lot of albums without supporting the RIAA is to buy used at your local record store (obviously not Tower or Best Buy). As I hate most new music anyway, this works quite well for me. The other option is what you mentioned, and just buy music produced by your local indie record companies.

 

[KeyserSoze]

This sucks.

Wonder how long before they attack Direct Connect




KeyserSoze

 

[Eli]

/methinks Waste groups will be the future.

I'd like to see them do it on self-organized private networks.

 

[KeyserSoze]

Originally posted by: Eli
/methinks Waste groups will be the future.

I'd like to see them do it on self-organized private networks.

Well I haven't used WASTE that much, but that's sort of how Direct Connect is setup.





KeyserSoze

 

[Instan00dles]

you know what they need to do in record stores? have a machine where you can select the song you want and it burns it to a cd and each song will cost you about 50-75 cents. If they did this I would go and buy that instead of going and buying a 20 dollar cd for one or two songs I want, F#@ them!

 

[0roo0roo]

interesting article for those of you who think the world would be better with single song sales. possible stiffling of innovation when you encourage only radio friendly hits to get any sales at all.

load the ads if u want to get in free.

sure its hip to rag on the riaa, but a great many people are simply freeloaders that don't use the file sharing to experience new music to buy, they just freeload.

music industries in asia and south america are decimated by rampant piracy. they don't have much of an evil riaa either. musical innovation and artistry don't bloom there, theres no incentive to take risks on artists when people just steal from you.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
<--desperately tries to find right to free music in the bill of rights.

<--desperately tries to find intellectual property in the bill of rights.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
<--desperately tries to find right to free music in the bill of rights.

<--desperately tries to find intellectual property in the bill of rights.

<--desperately tries to find womens suffrage and rights for minorities in the bill of rights.


oh wait, we kinda extrapolate from the original language eh?

 

[DrPizza]

Maybe beat them at their own game?? A few people could put up 20,000 mp3's, with legitimate sounding titles, but bogus files... then after they abuse the MCIA laws which allows them to circumvent the court system, they could be countersued?

I've gotten tired of Kazaa for mp3's anyway.... I hate getting mp3's that have the wrong artist, etc., or are of crappy quality, or missing the first 1 second or the last 1 second of a song... Just annoying. And, someone shoot me if I ever again say, "Heyyyy, I didn't know they did a version of Sitting by the Dock of the Bay! I'll have to download it!" Search yourself... there's only 1 song, but attributed to hundreds of artists... I'd much rather encode (and already have done so) my own MP3's from CD's I own, and then trade by the thousands with people I know who are doing the same and are creating quality mp3's from their own CD's. Seems like Waste will be wonderful for this.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: notfred
Someone should blow up the RIAA headquarters.

Yes, I'm serious.

omg, i actually agree with notfred

why is the RIAA full of such fvcktards? why not try to make money from stuff like iTunes, if it gets ported to windows? I'd much rather purchase a song for 99 cents, instead of spending 20 bucks for a cd with one good song and 13 other crappy ones. Until then I download music.

 

[Soybomb]

Its illegal and the RIAA has a right to do it. I wouldn't compare it to just a speeding ticket, they'll leave with every dime you have and who knows what else if thats not enough.

I can't believe they continue to be so short sighted in the matter though. They love for radio stations to play their music so people hear their artist and buy a cd, but if its a somewhat obscure artist I don't have another way to hear their music before I buy it. With the price of cds I won't go out and blow money on a cd on the off chance it might be good. If it is, I'll buy it though. And whats the big deal with college kids downloading and not buying the music? They're not going to buy it anyway because they don't have enough money. If you get them hooked on the music now though, 4 years later when they get their degree and have a job, its your music they'll remember, be into, and want to by. Such an economic opportunity going to waste.

 

[0roo0roo]

a few might not have any money, but the ones with 300 dollar video cards playing games certainly do

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Soybomb
...And whats the big deal with college kids downloading and not buying the music? They're not going to buy it anyway because they don't have enough money. If you get them hooked on the music now though, 4 years later when they get their degree and have a job, its your music they'll remember, be into, and want to by. Such an economic opportunity going to waste.

RIAA is run by retards, along with greedy retards who sponsor them. that is all.

 

[dman]

Even if you are innocent of the file trading, it's going to cost some money to defend it.

DirectTV is taking the same approach in suing people who bought smartcard readers. Even if they did NOT use them to steal satellite signal, hiring a lawyer and defending yourself in federal court is $$$.

Now, in the RIAA Case -- most likely the evidence (your IP, the list of files you had shared, and a few 'sample downloads' they gathered, would be enough for you to be found guilty in civil court where 51% of proof is all that is needed).

The will put a damper on filetrading, at least out of the US. That's my guess, ICBWrong.

Back to less obvious forms of trading.

 

[Freejack2]

Geez, do you think people are pissed because the cd's are overpriced?
You can often buy a movie for the same price as a music cd. The movie cost many more times what the cd cost to make.
Add in the fact than many cd's have songs people don't want and you have a formula for declining sales.

If the RIAA had one ounce of intelligence they would realize that they should be giving people an opportunity to legitametly buy music online or custom cd's in record stores.

Let's face it, if people could go to a website and download songs for 75 cents to a dollar a piece, or go into the record store and burn your choice of songs to a cd using a machine in the store; do you think the Riaa would have such a problem with file swapping?

 

[dman]

Originally posted by: Freejack2 music online or custom cd's in record stores.

Let's face it, if people could go to a website and download songs for 75 cents to a dollar a piece, or go into the record store and burn your choice of songs to a cd using a machine in the store; do you think the Riaa would have such a problem with file swapping?

See apple and their service, it's a success and basically what you said.

 

[Lithium381]

Originally posted by: Freejack2
Geez, do you think people are pissed because the cd's are overpriced?
You can often buy a movie for the same price as a music cd. The movie cost many more times what the cd cost to make.
Add in the fact than many cd's have songs people don't want and you have a formula for declining sales.

If the RIAA had one ounce of intelligence they would realize that they should be giving people an opportunity to legitametly buy music online or custom cd's in record stores.

Let's face it, if people could go to a website and download songs for 75 cents to a dollar a piece, or go into the record store and burn your choice of songs to a cd using a machine in the store; do you think the Riaa would have such a problem with file swapping?

i could 100% say that i would do that in a heart beat..........

 

Originally posted by: dman

Originally posted by: Freejack2 music online or custom cd's in record stores.

Let's face it, if people could go to a website and download songs for 75 cents to a dollar a piece, or go into the record store and burn your choice of songs to a cd using a machine in the store; do you think the Riaa would have such a problem with file swapping?

See apple and their service, it's a success and basically what you said.

but the quality is subpar.

 

[shootsfor3]

Doesn't AOL have a music downloading service where they charge a fee?? BTW I hate AOL and i never use it, And Fvck the RIAA

 

[LongCoolMother]

just in case, everyone should just turn on and start using proxies, block off ports, install and update peerguardian 1.97, and dont use p2p for now. if mp3 downloading is still desired, just try bittorrent, irc, or private FTPs.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
<--desperately tries to find right to free music in the bill of rights.

<--desperately tries to find intellectual property in the bill of rights.

<--desperately tries to find womens suffrage and rights for minorities in the bill of rights.


oh wait, we kinda extrapolate from the original language eh?

No, you make other amendments for them because the bill of rights is only the first 10.

See amendments 15 and 19.

Where is the amendment for intellectual property?

I'm not trying to say anything more than that bringing the bill of rights and the lack of free music in it is a ridiculous statement.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
just in case, everyone should just turn on and start using proxies, block off ports, install and update peerguardian 1.97, and dont use p2p for now. if mp3 downloading is still desired, just try bittorrent, irc, or private FTPs.

Paranoid much?

Just on Kazaa alone there are almost 4 million users. Based on that, you have a 1 in 4 million chance of getting picked by the RIAA. This is if your only source is Kazaa. If you use other methods and don't use them often, it only lessens your chances.

Then again, you could be sarcastic with that post and if so, disregard the above.

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
just in case, everyone should just turn on and start using proxies, block off ports, install and update peerguardian 1.97, and dont use p2p for now. if mp3 downloading is still desired, just try bittorrent, irc, or private FTPs.

Paranoid much?

Just on Kazaa alone there are almost 4 million users. Based on that, you have a 1 in 4 million chance of getting picked by the RIAA. This is if your only source is Kazaa. If you use other methods and don't use them often, it only lessens your chances.

Then again, you could be sarcastic with that post and if so, disregard the above.

couldnt hurt... right?

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
just in case, everyone should just turn on and start using proxies, block off ports, install and update peerguardian 1.97, and dont use p2p for now. if mp3 downloading is still desired, just try bittorrent, irc, or private FTPs.

Paranoid much?

Just on Kazaa alone there are almost 4 million users. Based on that, you have a 1 in 4 million chance of getting picked by the RIAA. This is if your only source is Kazaa. If you use other methods and don't use them often, it only lessens your chances.

Then again, you could be sarcastic with that post and if so, disregard the above.

wow, that some horrible logic. So they are only going to sue 1 person from Kazaa??

 

[TheVrolok]

I just CAN NOT believe that the RIAA is getting away with this. The VAST majority of my mp3's are 100% legit. I don't like having to use CDs to listen to music because it's a pain to switch 'em when I don't wanna listen to a certain group anymore. So I've taken the time to rip ALL my CDs to mp3's. That's nearly 250 CDs x average of say.. 13 songs + a few non-legit mp3's and my total is around 3500 mp3s, do they consider this substantial large-scale trading? (I know many people share quite a bit more) I think I'm just going to delete my non-legit songs since most of 'em are songs I liked for a whole week anyway, and keep ripping my CDs as I buy 'em (cheap/on sale wherever I can find 'em, I will pay 11 bucks for a CD). So say the RIAA takes me to court and I produce the 250 CDs that I've ripped.. then what? Counter suit? Which costs me money and I would HOPE that I win enough at least to cover my costs.. but then there are opportunity costs.. going to court takes time. So basically.. I just don't see how the RIAA can get away with this, there MUST be something unconstitutional with this. I guess since we're talking public P2P software it's not really an illegal search.. Either way, INSANE.