If an underaged person is sharing a massive amount of music, then the parents will be held accountable.
If everyone would just boycott the RIAA/music industry, then maybe they would listen to reason.
RE:"If everyone would just boycott the RIAA/music industry, then maybe they would listen to reason."
That would work but people won't and the RIAA will not listen to reason. What ultimately will happen is that the RIAA type companies must come up with a new paradigm or die. Not the first time in history this has happened on a broader scope.
These elitists have some laws on their side because while everyone was playing their game they managed to get some laws passed, bought and paid for.
That would work but people won't and the RIAA will not listen to reason. What ultimately will happen is that the RIAA type companies must come up with a new paradigm or die. Not the first time in history this has happened on a broader scope.
These elitists have some laws on their side because while everyone was playing their game they managed to get some laws passed, bought and paid for.
Somebody needs to reference the "fighting on the internet is like the special olympics" picture with the RIAA. 
well they can still soak the college kids for there 25 dollars of beer money collected from returning cans.
I thought about actually doing this...
It wouldn't be hard, just have a couple of computers connected to one main server... just charge so many cents for each song... It'd be one hell of a popular place haha
Originally posted by: Paulson
I thought about actually doing this...
It wouldn't be hard, just have a couple of computers connected to one main server... just charge so many cents for each song... It'd be one hell of a popular place haha
but then you'd be damaging the "artistic integrity" of the album
there's probably some equivalent organization here, they might have to use the tank to bulldoze over people's homes and steal their computers.
Matt Oppenheim from the Recording Industry Association of America responds:
Question: [If I own a music CD, is it legal for me to download the digitally compressed music for that CD (exact same version) via a peer-to-peer music service?]
Answer: As a technical matter, it is illegal to download a recording from another that is not yours. As a practical matter, there is no reason to do it. It is easier these days to rip a recording from a CD than to download it. And, when you rip the CD, you do not open up your computer to all of the spyware and other viruses that are part and parcel of most illegal P2P services.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/june03/copyright9a.html#ob
I wonder if the 'spyware' he mentions is stuff Senator Hatch uploaded hehe
i understand the frustration with p2p music swapping, but its ridiculous to go after single persons. After all, its like takin a crap, everyone is doing it.....
i understand the frustration with p2p music swapping, but it's ridiculous to go after single person. After all its like taking a crap, everyone is doing it...
UglyCasanova
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Cheval
Matt Oppenheim from the Recording Industry Association of America responds:
Question: [If I own a music CD, is it legal for me to download the digitally compressed music for that CD (exact same version) via a peer-to-peer music service?]
Answer: As a technical matter, it is illegal to download a recording from another that is not yours. As a practical matter, there is no reason to do it. It is easier these days to rip a recording from a CD than to download it. And, when you rip the CD, you do not open up your computer to all of the spyware and other viruses that are part and parcel of most illegal P2P services.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/june03/copyright9a.html#ob
I wonder if the 'spyware' he mentions is stuff Senator Hatch uploaded hehe
The only reason I would download something is if my CD is scratched up and I can't rip it.
Direct Connect rocks. Not that I'm immune to it, but it'll take a little bit longer for them to get us!
I will be joining th AT Waste group very soon tho.
KeyserSoze
I will be joining th AT Waste group very soon tho.
KeyserSoze
A few thoughts about the whole thing...
My mom is freaking out about the whole thing. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal had a story about the announcement on the front page this morning. Of course she read it and immediately paired up with the RIAA. I keep telling her that they can't possibly prosecute the 6 million users Kazza alone, much less the millions of users of other software programs.
Secondly, what's in it for them? The millions of dollars that the user has? The feeling of triumph while beating Joe User into the ground? Seriously, like my two thousand dollars I have to my name will help the starving artists of the major record labels. A quick look at the RIAA's website lists such artists as Missy Elliott, Shakira, and Brooks and Dunn and their complaints about piracy. But *ahem* excuse me, I doubt these artists are STARVING. More like multi-millionaire cats to me. The real question is why are they fighting us, and why aren't they working with us?
My mom is freaking out about the whole thing. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal had a story about the announcement on the front page this morning. Of course she read it and immediately paired up with the RIAA. I keep telling her that they can't possibly prosecute the 6 million users Kazza alone, much less the millions of users of other software programs.
Secondly, what's in it for them? The millions of dollars that the user has? The feeling of triumph while beating Joe User into the ground? Seriously, like my two thousand dollars I have to my name will help the starving artists of the major record labels. A quick look at the RIAA's website lists such artists as Missy Elliott, Shakira, and Brooks and Dunn and their complaints about piracy. But *ahem* excuse me, I doubt these artists are STARVING. More like multi-millionaire cats to me. The real question is why are they fighting us, and why aren't they working with us?
alkemyst
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No one will be safe. The RIAA has a ton of cash and backing. They already have moles that have more than likely built cases against most of the biggest distributors already....they are probably going to see if those distributors stand down.
Anything that goes back and forth will have some sort of identifier, they track the identifer to the 'last stop' if it's an IP addy then they contact the provider with the time and address and subpoena the user info, they raid that user's home (a la hacking during the early 90's) at like daybreak maybe even with a freaking SWAT team (hackers were considered the most dangerous of criminals, they still may be) and capture all the PC's in the home and dismantle them. If they find MP3's and you cannot provide proof of ownership and the users you allowed to download cannot you are called to court.
If you are totally legal you will get your PC back in pieces often with many parts missing.
The defense may end with you getting back all court costs, however, you will have to go the distance which I can assure most of america will not have the resources to do....the usual settlement in these 'make an example' trials are whatever savings/assets are liquid...they have no problem bankrupting someone.
The FBI/AT&T showed up at my house once and it really sucked even though I was 'clean'.
Anything that goes back and forth will have some sort of identifier, they track the identifer to the 'last stop' if it's an IP addy then they contact the provider with the time and address and subpoena the user info, they raid that user's home (a la hacking during the early 90's) at like daybreak maybe even with a freaking SWAT team (hackers were considered the most dangerous of criminals, they still may be) and capture all the PC's in the home and dismantle them. If they find MP3's and you cannot provide proof of ownership and the users you allowed to download cannot you are called to court.
If you are totally legal you will get your PC back in pieces often with many parts missing.
The defense may end with you getting back all court costs, however, you will have to go the distance which I can assure most of america will not have the resources to do....the usual settlement in these 'make an example' trials are whatever savings/assets are liquid...they have no problem bankrupting someone.
The FBI/AT&T showed up at my house once and it really sucked even though I was 'clean'.
Search the forums for "Waste", and there's an ATOT group set up here. Follow the links inside the thread to join.
KeyserSoze
I'm surprised we haven't seen a hack of the RIAA site yet.
I get the feeling this is going to get real nasty. Perhaps a legal defense fund.
I'm lucky I guess, I could care less about music today and there is no reason for me to DL any.
Having paid tons for lousy CDs over the years I do have a certain amount of distaste for the recording industry. I don't think all these copyright laws are as concrete as the RIAA would have you believe...basically they were pushed in big elitist companies, with high priced lawyers and connected lobby money in order to protect their cash cows...
I get the feeling this is going to get real nasty. Perhaps a legal defense fund.
I'm lucky I guess, I could care less about music today and there is no reason for me to DL any.
Having paid tons for lousy CDs over the years I do have a certain amount of distaste for the recording industry. I don't think all these copyright laws are as concrete as the RIAA would have you believe...basically they were pushed in big elitist companies, with high priced lawyers and connected lobby money in order to protect their cash cows...
why is everyone scared of this RIAA. Do you really think they can catch MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people around the world trading large amounts of mp3 and file suit to them???
They are just trying to scare the public by releasing this gibbish. And apparently it always is working from some peoples action on this board. Someone already said they are gonna stop usin kazaa etc...which is makin the RIAA win and they will keep winnin with some of the attitudes on this board.
FVCK the RIAA...if they want us to pay for the CD's start makin them 5 bucks like they supposed to be..not$20+!!!
side note===blank cds are < .50 cents
They are just trying to scare the public by releasing this gibbish. And apparently it always is working from some peoples action on this board. Someone already said they are gonna stop usin kazaa etc...which is makin the RIAA win and they will keep winnin with some of the attitudes on this board.
FVCK the RIAA...if they want us to pay for the CD's start makin them 5 bucks like they supposed to be..not$20+!!!
side note===blank cds are < .50 cents
Don't artists rake in all their money from concerts, anyway? My parents paid near $100 each for Steely Dan tickets the other day.
dont worry about it, get Waste.
and as for the iTunes hurts artists integrity argument. BS. 99% of the crap thats out has 1 or 2 good songs on a CD. If they want us to keep it in CD format. Release the friggin album with its 2 songs on it, and charge $2. Otherwise when MS releases their version of Itunes next year, the RIAA will die a horrible expensive death, because artists will be able to distribute themselves online, at any time.
and as for the iTunes hurts artists integrity argument. BS. 99% of the crap thats out has 1 or 2 good songs on a CD. If they want us to keep it in CD format. Release the friggin album with its 2 songs on it, and charge $2. Otherwise when MS releases their version of Itunes next year, the RIAA will die a horrible expensive death, because artists will be able to distribute themselves online, at any time.
This is ironic in that people that use Kazaa for getting music are generally people who only want singles, not entire albums. The whole idea of engineering singles to sell garbage records was pioneered by these fuckheads in the first place. I mean, when I download music through an FTP or USENET I go for the full album because I want to know if it is worth buying or not. Then again, I don't listen to Missy Elliot, Eve, or any of those dipshits either.
Oh... once the consumer is able to get access to music without going through the standard RIAA controlled channels, it is completely over for those bloated, dumbass, corrupt, and greedy record execs.
Heck, I'm sure the MPAA would get on the bandwagon if people stopped going to the movies and buying DVDs. But when a special edition DVD costs the same or sometimes LESS than a friggin CD?? WTF, someone understands their consumers a TINY bit better.
Heck, I'm sure the MPAA would get on the bandwagon if people stopped going to the movies and buying DVDs. But when a special edition DVD costs the same or sometimes LESS than a friggin CD?? WTF, someone understands their consumers a TINY bit better.
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