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Rhode Island To Leave Christmas Out Of Tree Ceremony

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OutHouse said:
im sorry but you are wrong on that. i know it goes against your atheistic programing but the US is a christian country.
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lol, my programming was in a strong protestant background. it's not an easy skin to shed. The US contains people that believe in Christ, it is not a Christian nation.
 
CallMeJoe said:
The Founding Fathers disagreed, and put it in writing:
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A sad period in our history when we were weak and thought to gain peace with the Muslims through paying tribute and denying our Christian heritage. It didn't work, of course. But it allows us time to whip the British again before finally standing up to the Muslim slavers once and for all.
 
werepossum said:
A sad period in our history when we were weak and thought to gain peace with the Muslims through paying tribute and denying our Christian heritage. It didn't work, of course. But it allows us time to whip the British again before finally standing up to the Muslim slavers once and for all.
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Looks like we showed them!! oh...wait....
 
CrackRabbit said:
You guys should know the drill by now.
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Seriously... how are there this many replies to someones ALT parody troll account...
 
Incorruptible said:
Because it is NOT a holiday tree, the tree is used for Christmas not the other holidays

Because this is not right, it has been called a Christmas tree and thats what it should be called
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What part of this don't you understand... YOU CAN CALL IT A CHRISTMAS TREE. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO CALL IT A HOLIDAY TREE.

The same mechanism that you think allows you to force them to call it a Christmas tree is the same mechanism that allows others to think they can force it to be called something else.
 
Incorruptible said:
Because the US is a Christian country not an Islamic one. As well radical Muslims are demanding special privileges so I would be worried

Why do we have to be inclusive, if people come to the US then they should adopt American values and understand the traditions and values of this country. If they get offended then that is there problem not ours.

Most minorities aren't offended by Christmas but its the secular progressives and many white liberals who are behind this nonsense
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Holy shit (pun intended) are you stupid.
 
zsdersw said:
What part of this don't you understand... YOU CAN CALL IT A CHRISTMAS TREE. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO CALL IT A HOLIDAY TREE.

The same mechanism that you think allows you to force them to call it a Christmas tree is the same mechanism that allows others to think they can force it to be called something else.
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No one is forcing anyone to call it a 'holiday tree' BUT these politicians shouldn't be calling it a holiday tree, WTF does that even mean when the tree is for Christmas not other holidays?
 
Holiday tree is the correct terminology. My atheist family calls ours a winter solstice tree. Several Jewish friends and their families have adopted the tree tradition, too; some call it a Chanukah tree, some keep Chanukah traditional and call it a holiday or solstice tree. Good on RI for going with holiday tree; it's inclusive of everyone.
 
incorruptible said:
no one is forcing anyone to call it a 'holiday tree' but these politicians shouldn't be calling it a holiday tree, wtf does that even mean when the tree is for christmas not other holidays?
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Why? Why does it matter? "Because I think it's wrong" isn't a good enough answer.
 
werepossum said:
It's Christian in the sense that the overwhelming majority of citizens are Christian, which obviously is not the same as having an official state religion. Europe having just escaped a couple centuries of sectarian violence and America being settled by (among others) religious dissidents of a couple dozen sects from a dozen nations, one can see why the Founding Fathers had the good sense to make us aggressively non-sectarian, with no possible state religion. But that doesn't change the fact that the USA was formed by Christians. In fact, the earliest federal literacy programs were the distribution of free Bibles. With the rise of the progressives and humanists, unfortunately freedom OF religion has been morphed into freedom FROM religion.
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It's relatively known fact that a good number of our founding fathers were Deist. So to say it was formed by Christians is false, some of the formers were Christian. The second largest "religious" group in the US is that of Agnostic/Atheist/no religion. In order for freedom of religion to truly exist, the government cannot support one specific religion, thus freedom of religion can only exist if it is freedom FROM religion.
 
thraashman said:
It's relatively known fact that a good number of our founding fathers were Deist. So to say it was formed by Christians is false, some of the formers were Christian. The second largest "religious" group in the US is that of Agnostic/Atheist/no religion. In order for freedom of religion to truly exist, the government cannot support one specific religion, thus freedom of religion can only exist if it is freedom FROM religion.
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Deist and Christian are not mutually exclusive. A Deist believes in a Creator but not necessarily that everything that happens is controlled by that Creator, as opposed to a Theist who believes that everything that happens happens because that Creator makes it so. If a tree falls on your house and you believe it is G-d's will that it did so, you are a Theist. If you instead believe that shit happens and that G-d does not necessarily have a master plan that requires that tree fall on your house, and you believe in G-d, then you are a Deist. Someone gets cancer, a Theist believes G-d willed it and a Deist believes it just happened. I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of American Christians today are Deists rather than Theists.

The second part of your argument is rather nonsensical, sort of "we had to burn down the village to save it." Freedom from religion necessarily requires infringing on someone's right to freely practice religion. If you are to be protected from the horrors of seeing a creche on public property, I must be restricted from putting a creche on public property while you remain free to put there your Santa Clause display. If one man is to be protected from the horrors of seeing a cross or Star of David within a national cemetery, another man must be restricted from being buried in that national cemetery within the tenants of his faith. A right to freedom from religion necessarily infringes on the very freedom that is supposedly protected.

There is and should be no right to not be offended, but for some classes and causes that right now seems well on the way to being enshrined.
 
zsdersw said:
What part of this don't you understand... YOU CAN CALL IT A CHRISTMAS TREE. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO CALL IT A HOLIDAY TREE.

The same mechanism that you think allows you to force them to call it a Christmas tree is the same mechanism that allows others to think they can force it to be called something else.
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I think it's serious insecurity. He can't just call something what he wants, everyone else has to call it that too to reinforce him.

Incorruptible said:
It is very simple, I am not an alt or parody account. This is my only account on the forum
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Of all the possible explanations for your account, this would be the saddest one.
 
werepossum said:
The second part of your argument is rather nonsensical, sort of "we had to burn down the village to save it." Freedom from religion necessarily requires infringing on someone's right to freely practice religion. If you are to be protected from the horrors of seeing a creche on public property, I must be restricted from putting a creche on public property while you remain free to put there your Santa Clause display. If one man is to be protected from the horrors of seeing a cross or Star of David within a national cemetery, another man must be restricted from being buried in that national cemetery within the tenants of his faith. A right to freedom from religion necessarily infringes on the very freedom that is supposedly protected.

There is and should be no right to not be offended, but for some classes and causes that right now seems well on the way to being enshrined.
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I think you're taking the whole freedom from religion thing a bit to far, yes there are most certainly the people out there that want every single religious symbol removed from public view.
I think of them the same way I think of people that want to teach religion as science in schools or demand that everyone dress in some sort of religiously defined "modest" manner. All of them are assholes, and those assholes tend to ruin things for everyone else.
 
Incorruptible said:
No one is forcing anyone to call it a 'holiday tree' BUT these politicians shouldn't be calling it a holiday tree, WTF does that even mean when the tree is for Christmas not other holidays?
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We pagans had our tree stolen by the thieving and murdering Christians, and were stealing it back!

When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide...
 
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