And where have I said mixed market economies dont work? You under the impression the United States is a purely capitalist economy?
And where have I said mixed market economies dont work? You under the impression the United States is a purely capitalist economy?
HardcoreRobot
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The problem with the Right Wang Illumi-NOT-ees is not the desire for a competent, productive and efficient government at all levels - they don't want any government at all ...
"The people's power"? Wheren't you just saying in this thread that the people (specifically, black and Latino people) only voted for Prop 8 in Cali because they were misled by religious organizations and were (by your implication) unable to come to the proper, clear-minded conclusions you yourself easily reach, bespite these shadowy and overpowering corporate influences?
You self-proclaimed 'socialists' are such frauds - on the one hand, you spout on and on about "the people's power", suggesting they're intelligent enough to govern and decide major issues for themselves, but deep down, you don't really believe it, and attribute any sort of outcome with which you don't agree to some nefarious outside influence, thereby revealing what you really believe - that the people are like ignorant children, unable to think for themselves when faced with the influences of religion, corporations, etc. And of course, elites such as yourselves never fall into these same traps. What a bunch of hooey.
right on point. humans are greedy because of the environment they are raised in , rewards them with money/wealth. similar to how people are bigots due to their parents raising them that way.
The main flaw with the "free" market system is that it rewards scarcity and at the same time it punishes abundance. What if robots in the future were able to replace human labor like surgeons, and burger flippers? How could you sustain a middle class under a "free" market system where everyone is supposed to fend for themselves?
Somebody has to build, run, repair, and program the robots.
Rewarding abundance is silly, makes no sense, and is illogical. If one can get something easily why would they pay a higher price than something they want equally as much but is harder to find?
If that's true, how did the "environment" get to be that way? You theorists who assume most people are, at their core and from birth, inherently good, and only get corrupted by the evil of society, never explain very well how society can be corrupted if all its parts (individuals) are good.
Because it's been passed on for generations where society as a whole hasnt been able to look outside the box. If you were born in the middle east to an arabic family of the predominant religion of the region, chances are you'd be a be muslim instead of the predominant religion of say latin america.
Meh - other robots can do it. Even if that was impossible, people like me would do it just for something to do. If you can have anything you want for free why not just do what you love anyway?
Read the 'culture' novels by Iain M. Banks for a pretty detailed description of this kind of society. Also see Star Trek TNG, to a lesser extent...
a system that reward abundance is a system where a high standard can be sustained for all. Why don't we have battery powered cars? because the oil industry would take a big hit. The idea that rewarding abundance is silly just goes to show how this "free" market gets the best of individuals.
Humans compete with eachother instead of cooperating with each other, in the "Free" market, because of scarcity and the reward it comes with.
The robots can build and repair eachother, DUH
. But you havent answered my question. how could you sustain a middle class, where robots literally replace 90% of the occupation today (according to Zeitgeist addendum) in a "free" market MONETARY system???
Do Britain, France, and the Scandenavian countries count as socialist? If so I'd definately rather live in any of those places than America. The USA is nice to visit but you people are insane.
If technology really gets to the point where robots can replace most menial human labor, our living standards would skyrocket and we'd all probably be space explorers and artists within 2 generations.
Implant those country with poor people and illegals, let's see how socialism works.
Of course socialism will work in a place like beverly hills and you make immigration illegal. But if you include BH, compton, and all the suburbs in between, you get massive fail.
but how could living skyrocket if there weren't that many jobs (labor for money) for the people in this "free market system) ? How could commoners earn money where welfare is looked down upon?
BoberFett
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- Oct 9, 1999
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Britain is about to enter a major period of economic hurt.
France is seeing massive social unrest in their Muslim immigrant population.
If the world does at some point get off of oil Norway's socialist utopia will collapse as it is heavily dependent on oil exports.
StageLeft
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I use them as examples of countries that are more socialist than the US. And it's true that most countries have varying forms of socialism. It is, overall, growing in all countries, but most of Europe is ahead of North America. As to which one I'd rather live in, the choice is clear. I guess it is for you, too. Literally everything I see about England leads me to the conclusion that it's going downhill, and at quite a quick pace (while I'm at it, I think the US is going downhill, too, but at a slower pace. God willing, Obama will in fact reverse this, though who really knows), from its surveillance culture to its comparatively moribund economy. I think these are all intertwined with its closer adherence to socialist ideas.
you are a socialist when you value the well being of others instead of thriving on the misery of others (slave wage labor in china and vietnam)
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