There are some things in this country which I believe would be better off if they were more socialized (not necessarily 100% socialization) than others. However, I am not comfortable with this guy's tone. There is most certainly a state of too much socialism just as there is a state of too much capitalism. Neither are pure evil and they are not pure innocence either. They are two ends of a spectrum. Both come with strengths and weaknesses. They both have problems. The idea is to take each individual case one at a time and decide what end of the spectrum it should lean more towards, but at no time should we universally lean towards a single end of that spectrum.
Were factories, business, and land privately held in any meaningful fashion?
Anyways I think the point many of us are making is what you describe as a military dictatorship is what you get in the real world when a country adheres to socialism.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
None of those are pure socialism and each one of those is capitalistic which socialists think is unfair and concentrates weath and power.
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Please refrain from telling people what Socialists think, you obviously have no clue from your postings in this thread, and this is just another example.
What is "pure" anyhow? You are speaking of Anarchism, which is a whole other subject and not related to Democratic Socialism which is what this thread is about.
See I dont think it is capitalism as much as free unregulated anarchist markets.
Private ownership of property, wealth, and means of production can work within a totalitarian state as much as anarchy. Probably better due to the state having the ability to regulate the markets.
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CADsortaGUY
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Fascism failed as much as socialism did. Meaning parts of it are still alive today though it rarely dominates a nation like it did 70 years ago.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
lol, you post something slobbering all over socialism and you don't even know what socialists think? Buahahahahaha.... Try studying the subject so you don't look like even more of a fool.
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Socialist aspects of societies benefit workers and in the long run prosperity/education/health of the population, what has Fascism brought?
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Socialists are not against bettering yourself, it is against bettering yourself at the expense of your fellow man. You need a Marx refresher my friend.
I also believe that certain kinds of socialism can work in ways that are really beneficial in some countries such as Denmark, but those same practices wouldn't not fare very well here in the states.
CADsortaGUY
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It could, if and when we ever have a economy not based off exploitation of cheap labor which props up Capitalism (domestic -historically slaves) or foreign (sweatshops in China for example)
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Define your idea of "pure Socialism" then, without defining Communism/Leninism.
The problem here is your definition of Socialism is utterly flawed, and this is probably because your knowledge is light on Marx and heavy on Limbaugh.
That is debateable. You think the modern welfare state that put generations of people on the govt tit is beneficial to society? In what way? Govt interjecting itself into private markets, driving up the costs, and crowding out private industry is beneficial to whom? And govt creating industry that the markets dont want and forcing people to pay for it via taxation is great in what respect?
Socialism in mixed market countries has its place. I wont defend tenents of fascism because quite frankly I dont believe in either idelogies. I prefer open markets with govt oversight to keep those markets fair for everyone involved.
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Socialist markets were not open, nor fair. So sorry to burst your bubble if you think I was agreeing with you about socialism.
That is what I want to for the most part. There are cases where I believe more socialization would be better though. Health care is one of them, but even with that I don't think that socialized health care being the only option is the right way to do it.
The hardest part surrounding all of this stuff is proper use of enforcement and accurate checks and balances.
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The USSR has been gone for almost 2 decades, question is, when will you come to reality?
The cold war is over, what works best always wins, and Democratic Socialism is the defacto standard of the civilized world to varying degrees, regardless of what Limbaugh tells you Socialism means.
Welcome to the post-cold war era!
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And of the civilized world, how are the economies doing in those countries that are more socialist than the US?
Socialism is no progression, it's a very predicable and inevitable (assuming some extraneous force doesn't come in to unseat everything), over time, point a society will reach. You can see in any number of western countries government grow and grow and grow. There are increasing numbers that depend on government benefits and given how much sloth humans tend toward the results are always the same.
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