Responsible gun ownership Republican style.

[imported_tajmahal]

It's quite entertaining seeing this much flail by taj, it's been a while.

I just picture some weirdo polishing his firearms hoping someone draws on him, while he's not grenading children of course.

Alabama becomes the 22nd state to allow people to carry concealed guns without permit

Alabama becomes the 22nd state to allow people to carry concealed guns without permit | CNN

People in Alabama will not be required to obtain a permit or undergo a background check to carry a concealed weapon beginning next year.

www.cnn.com

and counting. It will just get better as Republicans win the House and Senate and even more State houses in the next elections. Thanks Biden!

 

[DaaQ]

When violent crime sky rockets, there will be no guessing as to what policies are to blame.

Quoting to show what the next quote is replying to.

You mean like right now in blue controlled States and cities?

Here is your qualifier of the argument.

I am completely ignoring the analogy you tried using.

I'm in a blue state with good strict gun laws and the lowest gun deaths per Capita. Your feels though.

Quoting to show the qualifier imposed above, basically blue vs red, this is where deaths period enters the argument. Then we get the following straws, herrings and them pesky shifting goals.

You mean the State with the most lax gun laws (Vermont) so few gun deaths? Notice it's gun deaths and not murders?

So blue state/cities policies. Which is what I thought you were arguing at first. You reply with the most lax gun laws (policies) resulting in gun deaths. You then decide to pivot to murders qualifier.

You are counting justifiable self defense killings along with murders and suicides. They are not the same thing.

Deaths are deaths.
Wouldn't justifiable self defense killings constitute violent crime? Anyway you are adding more qualifiers here. Suicides and justified killing.

Like I said, those numbers don't differentiate between lawful and legal killings in self defense and defense of others and suicides. Let me know when you get an accurate list.

Adding more qualifiers, now we have lawful and legal killings, and defending others.
Suicides would fall under bad policies since it would require mental health spending.

Nope, facts are facts and legal shootings and suicides are included in those inaccurate numbers by the CDC. You are not entitled to your own (false facts).

You said blue states/cities.
I am really quoting all of this a writing any of this because I am trying to figure out what your whole argument is.
Gun deaths are deaths. Why are these false facts?

Yes, deliberately inaccurate numbers even though they could include legal self defense numbers and suicides, but they don't.


Kinda like dying of or dying with, facts matter.

Why are you trying to parse it down to categories?

Sorry i hurt your feelings. It's not an accurate representation, why would i bother? Red states will always have more legal self defense shootings. Try to get me an accurate graph.

I think you will find this is not accurate. Why are you even referring red?
Legal self defense (deaths not shootings) adding yet again another qualifier to your argument.
I think you will find that the VAST majority of legal self defense shootings would come from law enforcement not arms bearing citizens.

Haha, of course you won't do it.

It's a 100% accurate representation of gun deaths by state.

And since you can't rub your two brain cells together, I'll lay it out for you.

Suicides far out number any legally justified self defense shooting count. The disparity between those two is just gonna be enormous. And I would wager illegal gun activity out numbers self defense shootings by far as well.

And since self defense laws vary by state, that's a variable that you'll have to present as well, not just gun ownership laws

I'll wait for your data thats not the CDC's false data, 🤣

Just seemed appropriate to quote.
We all know this information will not arrive. It is not in his MO.

Bullshit, most deaths by firearm are suicides, a substantial portion are legal and justifiable deaths. The CDC deliberately doesn't differentiate the numbers even though they easily could. You want to use the CDC numbers even though they're demonstrably inaccurate and you even admit it. Get some real facts.

First word says it all, it is bullshit.
Most deaths by firearms, a substantial portion is legal and justifiable? This would definitely be violent though.

You tried to use the CDC report as a trump card in this thread. It didn't work since even yourself admitted that it doesn't include relevant material in the debate. People have a right to defend themselves, other people and property with a firearm. The CDC report deliberately omits this information. Deal with it.

I mean you are just shifting everything around.
Relevant material to the debate, you are so confusing it is hard to even know what you are trying to debate.

Supreme Court Will Review New York's Concealed Carry Gun Law - Patriot Gun News

[ad_1] For the first time in more than a decade, the United States Supreme Court will be reviewing a Second Amendment case that could change the landscape when it comes to gun right laws in this country. On Monday, the Supreme Court agreed to review a law in New York that sets extremely stringent

patriotgunnews.com

Supreme Court considers scope of gun rights in major Second Amendment case

The case involves a New York law that restricts who can carry a handgun in public for self-defense.

www.cbsnews.com

If you can't take your firearm out of your house it's pretty tough to use it to defend yourself and your family.

What are you so scared of?
It must be very difficult to be afraid of moving around in public without a firearm.

You really seem scared of population density.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

"deaths are deaths"
Bullshit, a huge difference between a suicide due to terminal health issues, street murders and justifiable self defense shootings. Your attempt to make them all equal shows what a jackass you are, but a nice sanctimonious attempt.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Supreme Court Will Review New York's Concealed Carry Gun Law - Patriot Gun News

[ad_1] For the first time in more than a decade, the United States Supreme Court will be reviewing a Second Amendment case that could change the landscape when it comes to gun right laws in this country. On Monday, the Supreme Court agreed to review a law in New York that sets extremely stringent

patriotgunnews.com

Supreme Court considers scope of gun rights in major Second Amendment case

The case involves a New York law that restricts who can carry a handgun in public for self-defense.

www.cbsnews.com

If you can't take your firearm out of your house it's pretty tough to use it to defend yourself and your family.

Are you implying that self defense can only happen outside the home? Are you confusing the right to carry outside the home, with using a gun for self defense? Because they are not the same thing.

One of the arguments that has been used to manipulate and expand 2nd amendment rights, beyond what the founding fathers envisioned, is you need a gun in your home to defend yourself, your family and your property, which your article talks about. Considering that only 0.9% of all self defense cases include the use of a gun, meaning that it's almost non existent, where do you think the majority of those happen? Before you answer, keep in mind that the majority of American's own a gun to specifically to protect their home and family from intruders, not to carry around town acting like it's the wild west.

 

[ch33zw1z]

"deaths are deaths"
Bullshit, a huge difference between a suicide due to terminal health issues, street murders and justifiable self defense shootings. Your attempt to make them all equal shows what a jackass you are, but a nice sanctimonious attempt.

They're all gun deaths. Cry moar

 

[ch33zw1z]

Alabama becomes the 22nd state to allow people to carry concealed guns without permit

Alabama becomes the 22nd state to allow people to carry concealed guns without permit | CNN

People in Alabama will not be required to obtain a permit or undergo a background check to carry a concealed weapon beginning next year.

www.cnn.com

and counting. It will just get better as Republicans win the House and Senate and even more State houses in the next elections. Thanks Biden!

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

lol, a real zinger you got there taj. Literally 6.8x the gun deaths of my state. good job! rack 'em up!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Taj knows where this is going, the availability of guns is directly related to the amount of gun deaths. His flailing is directly related to this.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Yes, but not required under the law. The same as every other Constitutional Right.

All the 2nd amendment does is protect your right to have a gun, which is a physical piece of hardware you must purchase or have given to you. The only right granted in the constitution that is directly connected to a physical piece of hardware or anything you have to purchase, by the way, and a deadly one at that. Training, if it became a requirement to purchase a gun, would be part of the purchasing process of that physical hardware that the 2nd amendment says you can have, which again must be purchased or given to you. The 2nd Amendment does not have any protection covering the purchasing rules of a gun, it only protects your right to have a gun. Next you are going to say it's unconstitutional to require you to pay for your guns and that they should be handed out for free.. you know, cuz money prevents you from having a gun.. so money would be considered unconstitutional when it comes to guns, even though a gun is a physical piece of hardware you have to purchase.

Basically you are confusing the purchasing process with your protected right to initiate and purchase that gun so you can have it.

An even shorter answer: You are an idiot!

 

[kage69]

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Always a good reference, gun death stats by state

Yeesh. Alabama at the top of the list already, hope my prediction is wrong. The Wyoming/Vermont comparison is very interesting too; similar population numbers but on opposite ends of the mortality spectrum. Yes very interesting.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yeesh. Alabama at the top of the list already, hope my prediction is wrong. The Wyoming/Vermont comparison is very interesting too; similar population numbers but on opposite ends of the mortality spectrum. Yes very interesting.

Skewed information since the CDC doesn't differentiate between justifiable self defense, suicide and murder.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

They're all gun deaths. Cry moar

The difference is that some are well deserved.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Skewed information since the CDC doesn't differentiate between justifiable self defense, suicide and murder.

So if it is self defense, does that mean the gun shot wasn't the cause of death or the death didn't' happen? Which is it, so we can understand how not specifying the distinction skews the number of deaths involving a gun.

 

[DaaQ]

"deaths are deaths"
Bullshit, a huge difference between a suicide due to terminal health issues, street murders and justifiable self defense shootings. Your attempt to make them all equal shows what a jackass you are, but a nice sanctimonious attempt.

Jackass duly noted Mr. suicide due to terminal health issues. That right there shows that your head is so far up your own ass that you have to open your mouth to see.

 

[MrSquished]

Gun violence is a big issue in this country, mostly because of the prevalence of guns, and also due to socio-economic factors. But guns make those things worse. To want guns to be able to be purchased willy nilly with no restrictions on what types and how and when you can carry them and make it a free for all is just insane. It's a cult of loons.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The difference is that some are well deserved.

That may matter to you, but they're still gun deaths. Your problem with the stats isn't that it's false, misleading, fake, or whatever Trump term you wanna toss at it. Your problem with it is how glaringly obvious very relaxed gun control will yield increased gun deaths, not that it's really surprising.

Skewed information since the CDC doesn't differentiate between justifiable self defense, suicide and murder.

Lying again? See, it's not skewed, it's just the total gun death count per capita in each state. You want it to be skewed, but it's not, it's just the data dude.

 

[Paratus]

1. How do you know "hers is unloaded" ?
2. Alec Baldwin knew it too.

Well if that was today it doesn’t matter if there’s a round chambered or not does it?

As for Baldwin Constitutional carry + no training makes it a civil matter unless there was intent to injure.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So if it is self defense, does that mean the gun shot wasn't the cause of death or the death didn't' happen? Which is it, so we can understand how not specifying the distinction skews the number of deaths involving a gun.

Even you are not this stupid. Try again.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

That may matter to you, but they're still gun deaths. Your problem with the stats isn't that it's false, misleading, fake, or whatever Trump term you wanna toss at it. Your problem with it is how glaringly obvious very relaxed gun control will yield increased gun deaths, not that it's really surprising.



Lying again? See, it's not skewed, it's just the total gun death count per capita in each state. You want it to be skewed, but it's not, it's just the data dude.

I thought the whole Kyle thing had been settled.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Well if that was today it doesn’t matter if there’s a round chambered or not does it?

As for Baldwin Constitutional carry + no training makes it a civil matter unless there was intent to injure.

Are you still opposed to using a drivers license to vote, or have you joined the vast majority of Americans and consider it fine now? Just curious, i haven't seen your happy tap dance in months.

 

[Pohemi]

I started quoting imported_idiot on pg 1 to reply...kept quoting his bullshit through 5 pages. When I entered quotes, there were 16 in total.

Instead of taking the time to pick each of his posts apart and show why/how he was wrong, lying, etc...another appropriate response to ALL of them would be:

Taj is a dishonest piece of shit, as per usual.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I thought the whole Kyle thing had been settled.

Whatever this is supposed to mean.

Yes, the deaths in that situation are still gun deaths.

 

[HomerJS]

Can anyone site any situation where more guns were proven better? Especially mass shootings.

Just asking

 

[NWRMidnight]

Even you are not this stupid. Try again.

The very question was to demonstrate how stupid and false, your claim of the numbers being skewed was. So in stating that "Even you are not this stupid" to me, you just destroyed your own bullshit argument by unknowingly admitted your claim of the numbers being skewed, is stupid and false. Your response to me, indicates you knew this. As the only way your claim of the numbers being skewed could be factual, is if what I asked you was true, possible, or explainable. You are obviously aware that it's not true, possible, or explainable, which is why you recognized that it was a stupid question.

So you are right, I am not that stupid. In fact, I am not stupid at all. You on the other hand, are so stupid and ignorant, you failed to realize, you just got played into admitting, that you knew your own argument of the numbers being skewed, was bullshit and a big fat lie.

short answer: You just outed yourself as a manipulative liar.

 

[Paratus]

Are you still opposed to using a drivers license to vote, or have you joined the vast majority of Americans and consider it fine now? Just curious, i haven't seen your happy tap dance in months.

I was never opposed to using drivers licenses to vote. I was against requiring IDs that disenfranchise citizens from voting. EVERY US citizen has a right to vote otherwise the government is our master instead of We The People being masters of the government.

I’m surprised you don’t understand this.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I was never opposed to using drivers licenses to vote. I was against requiring IDs that disenfranchise citizens from voting. EVERY US citizen has a right to vote otherwise the government is our master instead of We The People being masters of the government.

I’m surprised you don’t understand this.

Nice performance, i'd been missing it.