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'Republicans turn their back on teachers'

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Ferocious

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<< Teacher pay in the United States lags shamefully behind other countries, even though American teachers work nearly 33 percent more hours than the international average. The salary per hour of actual teaching by an American teacher is $35, less than the international average of $41. The American per-hour salary is only 70 percent of the pay in Germany, Denmark, and Spain, and less than half of the $77 per-hour teaching pay in South Korea. >>



Damn...$77 per-hour (of actual teaching) in South Korea?? That seems high.

Anyhow, a friend of mine who just got her Masters last year began teaching last fall and makes almost $30k a year in a public school. She has no major complaints other than the poor attitudes of some of the 5th graders she teaches....poor parenting of course.

Overall I think public teachers get paid fairly. What do you think?

from this editorial
 
Maybe if they did a better job they would make more. I might of had 3 good teachers out of 30 growing up. 🙁
 
I'm pissed at the fact that any technology/business related course i've ever taken, I was the one who taught the class. My teacher (who barely knew how to check her e-mail) &quot;taught&quot; these classes. In reality she'd hand the load to me and say, teach the class.

:|
 
supply and demand, teachers are paid exactly what the economy will bear. no more, no less.

plus they get 3 months of summer vacation, a ton of benefits, and there's a TON of jobs out there that are longer hours, more stressful, more demanding.

teachers are paid plenty.
 
Actually, I teach a course in a private school and am compensated quite nicely!😉 I think that's part of the problem though.......a lot of the best teachers are in Church Run and private Schools these days......the pay is MUCH better!🙂🙂
 


<< Republicans turn their back on teachers >>



Yeah, sure.

Damn, $35 an hour. Starvation wages. How do they survive?

Russ, NCNE
 
I think the gov't hands the Education dept more than enough money...(does it go where it's needed? no.)

The problem? It never makes it to the teachers, some of it gets &quot;lost&quot;, stolen, or just plain wasted. Another pitiful fact is there are almost as many administrators in schools now, then there are teachers. Talk about bleeding off money to waste it...

Simple fact: Over the last 10 years, education funding has increased by approx 118%
What did the teachers get for pay increases over this time period? About 15-25%

Personally i think good teachers should get at least $40-45,000yr-(9 months full time, part time summers), but why keep throwing money into education, when it gets diverted to other things...

Why can't the money that's intended for teachers get there? Sounds pitiful to me...
 


<< Damn, $35 an hour. Starvation wages. How do they survive? >>

You'd have to pay me a lot more than that to teach todays little rat bastards.
 
Same problem here in Iceland. Totaly sucks, no one wants this job because of the wages so now they are putting more people in each class and hiring non profesionals to teach.
 


<< supply and demand, teachers are paid exactly what the economy will bear. no more, no less.
 >>



Actually that's not true. As i stated before the teachers don't get the money we have intended to give them for years now. It has been bled off into other projects.

 
wow, go to college, take an easy education major, get all c's. Graduate, get a teaching job, make 35 bucks an hour.

that ain't bad
 
Pretender,

Actually, the average teacher contract calls for 180 days a year, so it's more like 50K.

Russ, NCNE
 
Teachers should be paid 2X what they make. Why? Because they are the ones who have the most influence in some children?s lives, and they have a tough job. The rest of the world knows that our education system sucks, particularly in the math and science world. There are too many people who'd be great teachers and who would love to do it, but who don't, because they make more money doing other things. As a result, the pool of potential teachers is way too small. The only types left are the rare gem who would do it for free, and are therefore already teaching, or else they're incompetent, and would take any $30K job just to collect a check.

Education is an investment. More people need to see it that way.
 
Didn't EVERYONE here learn everything they know about computers on their own or in a privet class?
Why didn't public school do a better job?
 


<< Education is an investment. More people need to see it that way. >>


I could not agree with you more.
However, if you think I want the government doing my investing...you are smokin something.
 
If the pay and the job was so terrible, then there would be shortages of teachers. There isn't, even in the recent job boom, there were more teachers than jobs available. I have two teachers in my family (both on my wife's side). Both whine about how hard they have it and how underpaid they are. For a job with little to no stress, 3 months off in the summer, vacation and break time during the school year, and a very good benefit program with little chance of being laid-off, I think they're overpaid.

Since teacher pay is a local matter and since the pay is &quot;low&quot; over the whole country, I would say that both Democrats and Republican politicians are representing the public and paying the teachers what they deserve.

Michael

ps - Garfang - My parents had a vastly higher effect on my life then all my teachers combined. As a mattrer of fact, my teachers had little to no effect on my life. I bet that's the case for most people as well.
 


<< get a teaching job, make 35 bucks an hour. >>

and have all the ignorant wankers blame you because the kids aren't learning anything because their parents don't make them do their homework. You also have to teach the little snots manners because their parents have neglected to do that.

In my opinion, a Teacher is a far more important and demanding job than any in Hi Tech and are worth more than any of those Yuppie Scumbags. Raise the Pay and the requirements and you will get better teachers. Keep the same kind of attitude as AaronP and you will continue to have little dumb asses coming out of our education system.

You ever wonder why countries like South Korea have a better educational system? Because they put the resources in it and the parents take the duty or parenting and helping educate their little darlings seriously, unlike here in the States.
 
Red is exactly right. Most people who want to teach have the ability and the knowledge to go to law school, med school, etc., so why would they teach and make less money. Only a few devoted teachers actually do it because they want to, the others (I feel) do it because it was an easy degree and job.
 
Not all teachers make poor wages.. In my district the average for 12 to 15 years is in the mid 70,000 a year.. (we can pick any teacher to work since there are so many applicants). 40 students graduated with a regents diploma out of a class of roughly 500.. Recently I asked a student what she felt the problem was.. she told me the teachers don't care, and neither do the parents.. In the city though a caring parent was stopped at every turn.. read below... so who knows..

SCHOOL EXPELS PESTERING DAD

By CARL CAMPANILE
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CLASS STRUGGLE:
Sid Blauner, holding hands with son Ethan, has support from PS 165 parents after officials barred him from the Manhattan school.
Rick Dembow

June 15, 2001 -- A persistent parent has been booted from his kid's school and threatened with jail for demanding that officials make it safer and better, parent leaders said yesterday.
Unlike other parents, Sid Blauner is barred from entering PS 165 in Manhattan Valley without prior authorization.

&quot;If you fail to comply, school officials will summon the police and you may be subject to arrest,&quot; School District 3 Superintendent Patricia Romandetto said in a scathing, letter to Blauner.

His offense?

Blauner cares too much about the school, said other leaders of the parent association.

His ban comes as Schools Chancellor Harold Levy and the Board of Education are urging more parental involvement.

But Romandetto charges Blauner is a pest who disrupts community school-board meetings and intrudes into school affairs.

Blauner, ex-secretary of the parents association whose son, Ethan, is in kindergarten at PS 165, doesn't take no for an answer.

When principal Irma Marzan dismissed his and other parents' concerns about safety problems and low test scores, Blauner says, he started writing the superintendent.

Believing he got an inadequate response, Blauner started sending copies of letters to the chancellor.

&quot;It's a personal vendetta against me for raising issues that they'd rather not have uncovered,&quot; said Blauner, who has criticized the principal and superintendent for safety problems and instructional shortcomings.

Parent association president Aurelia Rodriguez praised Blauner for helping many of the Spanish-speaking parents resolve their kids' problems.

&quot;Sid used to come to the school one to two hours every day to volunteer,&quot; Rodriguez said.

&quot;Sid is very persistent. That's what I like about him. The school officials don't want people like him around teaching other parents how to know things. That's wrong.&quot;

But Romandetto offered a litany of complaints about Blauner - including sending letters to the chancellor, posting parent-association notices in the school and arranging for students to get their eyesight checked.

Blauner has also demanded the principal meet with parents, entered a classroom to enroll students in a pep squad, and sent the principal a list of &quot;instructions&quot; to help reverse the school's decline.

Outside the school yesterday, parents said it's the principal and superintendent who are out of line.

One parent after another complained about their kids getting beaten and bullied, and said school officials did nothing.

And although many students are failing standardized exams, parents complained the school has only one day of after-school programs to help many Spanish-speaking students learn English.
 


<< Keep the same kind of attitude as AaronP and you will continue to have little dumb asses coming out of our education system. >>



Fine, but he has a point, and if you have had an &quot;Education&quot; class anywhere in the US, you would know that the classes are absurdly mindless and tend to drive away many bright people who would otherwise be interested in teaching.
 




<< that's $72,800 a year (before taxes). And they're complaining? WTF?

And

Damn, $35 an hour. Starvation wages. How do they survive? >>



Please?figures lie and liars figure. This comparison is unfair on its face. It would be the equivalent of saying that a mechanic, for instance, get 100/hour, because he only has a tool in his hand for one hour a day. Oh, he is using a lot of different tools, and he is working all day, but the tools are actually in his hand only an hour a day. You would then conclude that mechanics make 4,000 a week!

At my gf?s school, she teaches class from 8:30 to 4:00. Taking breaks between periods means she is only ?working? about 6 and a half hours a day (she gets a half hour lunch). She has been in the Broward County School system for 7 years, and makes 31,500/year.

She gets up at 6 am, and works on her teaching plan between 6:30 and 7:30. Then she goes into school, gets there by 8. From 8 to 8:30, she does prep for the day. She then teaches her classes, and spends the time between classes giving extra help or discipline to her students. Her last class lets out at 4, but her day does not end there; she tutors the slower students who need extra help and goes to meetings that are held for the faculty. Generally she does not get back to her place before 5:30. At this time, she starts grading papers. Since she teaches English, this is not just checking multiple guesses, and can take as long as 2 hours a night. She will usually finish up between 7 and 7:30.

If you use the ?normal? method of tracking her work, you could say she puts in a work day of somewhere between 11 and 13 hours, less an hour for lunch and travel combined.

Even setting aside the bullsh!t she has to take from the executives, the school board, the students, and (usually worst of all) the parents, this is a damn long day for 31,500/year. And she does not get three months off; she has to prepare her class before the year starts and clean it after the school year is over; this procedure can take a week at each end of the summer. So, she really gets about 2months off in the summer. Does she sit by the pool? Hell no! It is very hard to survive in a decent neighborhood on what they pay teachers down here. If she is lucky, she can tutor kids over the summer; otherwise she has to find work wherever she can.

When you see those salary figures, remember how they are calculated?most teachers make a lot less than the median salary. IMO, seeing what the gf has to deal with, they are vastly underpaid.
 


<< if you have had an &quot;Education&quot; class anywhere in the US, you would know that the classes are absurdly mindless and tend to drive away many bright people who would otherwise be interested in teaching. >>

I would huh? Says who, you? Well I guess I can take that to the bank and cash it.
 
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