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Matt1970

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Yeah, I miss those days too. Nowadays Nixon would be a hero to half the nation.

Ahh yes, Nixon, the good ole' days when all you had to do was eavesdrop on a hotel room and you had to resign in disgrace. Now you can eavesdrop on the whole world and it gets brushed off like a traffic ticket.
 

IGBT

Lifer
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busted web site or not..your obama care is retrograde to all existing insured. More then likely your premiums will go up precipitously for the same coverage or less coverage with higher deductibles and the freeloading parasites will be subsidized by all existing rate payers. Elections Have Consequences.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
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Ahh yes, Nixon, the good ole' days when all you had to do was eavesdrop on a hotel room and you had to resign in disgrace. Now you can eavesdrop on the whole world and it gets brushed off like a traffic ticket.

Not exactly. People are screaming bloody murder but absolutely nothing is happening. Its the opposite of a traffic ticket.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
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This is true. A lot of people attribute Bush Senior's loss to him saying read my lips, one promise broken. I miss those days when a lie cost you something. Now it's "He's a liar, but he's our liar"

I was born in 79, but even I remember Bush saying "NO NEW TAXES" and the first thing he did in office was raise taxes.

Yes, I watched the news.
We didnt have internet, and my video games were not as interesting.
 

Matt1970

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I was born in 79, but even I remember Bush saying "NO NEW TAXES" and the first thing he did in office was raise taxes.

Yes, I watched the news.
We didnt have internet, and my video games were not as interesting.

Ya, but Obama wasn't even in office a month before he broke his promise to have all bills online and available for public view for 5 days before signing them. Obama has clearly set the bar at a new level and unfortunately it's the bottom rung.
 

TreVader

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busted web site or not..your obama care is retrograde to all existing insured. More then likely your premiums will go up precipitously for the same coverage or less coverage with higher deductibles and the freeloading parasites will be subsidized by all existing rate payers. Elections Have Consequences.

What evidence do you have of this? Some Sean Hannity rant you heard while driving you 88 Ford Bronco to your small business where you employ exactly 50 workers who also happen to be korean war vets?
 

compuwiz1

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Oct 9, 1999
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busted web site or not..your obama care is retrograde to all existing insured. More then likely your premiums will go up precipitously for the same coverage or less coverage with higher deductibles and the freeloading parasites will be subsidized by all existing rate payers. Elections Have Consequences.


I've maintained this postition all along. The majority of working americans don't want Obamacare. The 35% or so that want it are either getting heavy subsidies or free. Anyone faced with having $500 - $600 more per month extracted from their budget is going to object. We have welfare without us having a hefty charge against our budget each month. There must be some other way to cover people, rather than have it on the backs of the people who work to produce what they have for them and their families. We could cut enough pork spending out of the government to provide healthcare for the truly needy. Government is just too damn big.
 

Zaap

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Ahh yes, Nixon, the good ole' days when all you had to do was eavesdrop on a hotel room and you had to resign in disgrace. Now you can eavesdrop on the whole world and it gets brushed off like a traffic ticket.
QFT.
 

shady28

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All that Obamacare has succeeded in doing is throwing hundreds of thousands - and probably millions - who were paying for their own healthcare, out of their plans. At the same time, it is putting hundreds of thousands on 100% state funded Medicaid. Then, it proceeds to penalize the working people thrown off their own plans along with the young and healthy who will not participate in funding this program.

This is the real tragedy of this program.

A stay of the individual mandate will not help millions who have lost their old plans. Frankly, some hard-working middle class people are going to die because of this.

85% of the people in the country had healthcare before Obamacare. All they really wanted to know was that they would not be affected. Obama made promises that they would not be affected, they believed him. Obama lied, and now they are being impacted on a very important matter which Obama and the Democratic Party stated in clear terms they would not be affected by.

The general public is only now beginning to realize what 'Obamacare' is and what it means for them personally.

As that reality settles, the consequences to the Democrats will be extreme.

The hate is going viral.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/crisis-time-obamacare-130406721.html

"Middle income consumers are starting to get hit with sticker shock as previously low-priced plans get canceled and replaced with higher-dollar coverage. Stories of consumers getting plans canceled directly contradict Obama's promise that people who like their plans could keep them under the new law. "
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"Even if the mandate is delayed, the millions of young, healthy and currently uninsured people the law depends on to make the economics work could ultimately decide paying the penalty is better than buying insurance. That could spark a "death spiral" for the law, an outcome that would be devastating for the Obama presidency and Democrats hopes in 2014 and beyond."


Note : 3320 comments on that article. Read them. They're Similar to comments on healthcare.gov Facebook page.




http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...aw-is-causing-thousands-to-lose-coverage.html


"Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people - about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent."

"Blue Shield of California sent roughly 119,000 cancellation notices out in mid-September, about 60 percent of its individual business. About two-thirds of those policyholders will see rate increases in their new policies, said spokesman Steve Shivinsky."



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/28/californian-i-was-all-obamacare-until-i-got-bill/

This one pretty much sums up the Democrats prospectus in 2014 :

“She said, ‘I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,’
 

KK

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This one pretty much sums up the Democrats prospectus in 2014 :

“She said, ‘I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,’

That pretty much sums up the fucking stupid mentality that most the democrats thrive off of.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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That pretty much sums up the fucking stupid mentality that most the democrats thrive off of.

They thrive on people who never took basic economics.

Nothing is "free". Anything of value has to come from somewhere. Usually its a combination of natural resources and a shitload of work.

Democrats dont wanna hear that. They wanna hear about free shit. Welfare for rent, food-stamps for meals, free phones, and now healthcare.

Ben Stein said it was ironic that the government which wants to do all this stuff for the citizens is also completely against proving your citizenship.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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I'm sure you did all the calculations yourself? Well it's settled then.

Actually its pretty much common sense.

Who has more motivation to sign up the sick/elderly or the young/healthy? By an absurdly high margin the answer is the sick/elderly. The young/healthy have virtually no motivation to sign up other than avoiding a penalty. Furthermore, for the majority of the young and healthy group the penalty is FAR cheaper than the insurance and thus will not offset the costs as if they were insured. $95 per individual or 1% of family income isn't a whole lot of money for the age group in question. Hell, even if they make really good money the penalty will be at most one or two months of what insurance would have cost them.

So what motivation do they have for signing up that even comes close to equaling the motivation the sick and elderly have?
 

michal1980

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I've maintained this postition all along. The majority of working americans don't want Obamacare. The 35% or so that want it are either getting heavy subsidies or free. Anyone faced with having $500 - $600 more per month extracted from their budget is going to object. We have welfare without us having a hefty charge against our budget each month. There must be some other way to cover people, rather than have it on the backs of the people who work to produce what they have for them and their families. We could cut enough pork spending out of the government to provide healthcare for the truly needy. Government is just too damn big.

The truth is that liberals consider any one making $80,000and up, the evil rich that need to pay more of their fair share.

In speeches they talk about ceo's raping the little people, yet they use the power of government to force the working middle class to spend hundreds of dollars a month.
 

Zstream

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Oct 24, 2005
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The truth is that liberals consider any one making $80,000and up, the evil rich that need to pay more of their fair share.

In speeches they talk about ceo's raping the little people, yet they use the power of government to force the working middle class to spend hundreds of dollars a month.

This is what I find most depressing. Apparently, everyone is evil and wants the poor to die if you're making a decent living. Don't consider the fact most people on the conservative side donate more to the poor and needy.... Whatever is all I can say.
 

michal1980

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Mar 7, 2003
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This is what I find most depressing. Apparently, everyone is evil and wants the poor to die if you're making a decent living. Don't consider the fact most people on the conservative side donate more to the poor and needy.... Whatever is all I can say.

Obamacare is a big FUCK YOU to the middle class. You went to school, you got a decent job... heres your bill.

You didn't go to school? You dropped out? Heres a check.
 

MagickMan

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Ahh yes, Nixon, the good ole' days when all you had to do was eavesdrop on a hotel room and you had to resign in disgrace. Now you can eavesdrop on the whole world and it gets brushed off like a traffic ticket.

I'm stealing this, FYI. :awe:
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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This is what I find most depressing. Apparently, everyone is evil and wants the poor to die if you're making a decent living. Don't consider the fact most people on the conservative side donate more to the poor and needy.... Whatever is all I can say.

Not just voluntary donations but all the taxes which they dont have a choice on.
 

OrByte

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Jul 21, 2000
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Healthcare.gov Has a Big EDI Problem

A look at one of the problems associated with the website.

Having worked with EDI and HIPAA I can tell you any data exchange, whether it is government or private big or small..is a massive undertaking with all sorts of barriers to implementation. Too many rules/control agencies/regulation/privacy issues..etc etc.

none of the .gov perils surprise me. I'm laughing about the media and political circus around it.

You guys all have short memories. Does anyone remember Recovery.gov?

and with that said....this too shall pass. And THEN what will the GOP echo chamber have to be "enraged" about?