Republicans, do you realize your party is obsoleting itself?

[buckshot24]

Look at his convention. It was almost all white people!

You mean in the audience or the speakers?

 

[RabidMongoose]

It isn't impossible. You can pander to Hispanics and Blacks at the same time. Media outlets do the filtering for you. If you want to reach Hispanics you advertise on Telemundo or Univision for instance. You can shape two different messages.

No, you cannot effectively racially pander to each group individually and win because they're all so different. The only way that you can have a diverse coalition is by having a universal platform.

So what? If you flip the turnout numbers and give Whites 13% and Blacks 72% you'd get a large percentage of Obama's voters being Black. 81.5% to be precise. In that sort of electorate Obama would have won 100 million votes to just under 20 million for Romney, just as an FYI.

What a weird way to look at it. First of all Obama won all the racial groups by larger percentages than Romney won the White vote. If there is anything resembling racial pandering you'd have to look at the 93% of one race who voted one way. There was a 20 point advantage for Romney among Whites but there was an 87 point margin in favor of Obama among Black voters and you think the GOP pandered to Whites but Obama didn't to Blacks?

You're looking at it incorrectly. You need to look at the breakdown of the electorates for each candidate. Obama: Whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, native-americans. Romney: Just white people.

So we have one group of Obama voters that is very diverse. The only way to connect with all of these different groups is through a universal message of inclusion. On the other hand, we have a group of Romney voters that is monolithic, overwhelmingly white. How did that get done? Racial identity politics. White people who only vote based on race for another white person who were duped by the GOP using racial tactics to lure in more white people.

Whites make up around 75 to 80% of the population. So if you think having the majority of the largest racial group is something to not go for then you're nuts. If Obama could have gotten 59% then that would have just been on the merits of his policies but since Romney got them then that was based on racial considerations?

Obama basically conceded the White working class voters, is it any surprise that he lost them?

Racial identity politics is not going to win for the GOP anymore. And white non-hispanic makes up 63.7% of the population. And that's why the GOP continuing with racial identity politics to win the white non-hispanic vote with free gifts and other government stuff at the expense of everyone else is a losing proposition.

Integrate or be left behind.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You mean in the audience or the speakers?

Audience, it was so unlike American society outside of maybe Maine.

 

[buckshot24]

No, you cannot effectively racially pander to each group individually and win because they're all so different. The only way that you can have a diverse coalition is by having a universal platform.

I just told you how you can do it. Stating your assertion again doesn't make it true.

You're looking at it incorrectly. You need to look at the breakdown of the electorates for each candidate. Obama: Whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, native-americans. Romney: Just white people.

I looked it it that way and 90% of Romney voters were white, I agree. But the problem with that is they also make up close to 80% of the population. It isn't as ridiculous as you're making it out to be.

So we have one group of Obama voters that is very diverse. The only way to connect with all of these different groups is through a universal message of inclusion.

No that is not the only way to connect to them. Obama pandered to single women with the "war on women" bullshit. People vote for all sorts of different causes. Those who voted for Obama because of gay marriage may not agree with him on taxes or foreign policy. Those who voted for him because of foreign policy may not agree with him on gay marriage. 21% of voters thought abortion should be illegal but still voted for Obama, obviously with those people abortion wasn't the main criteria for voting for the man. So you can obviously pander to more than one group at a time.

On the other hand, we have a group of Romney voters that is monolithic, overwhelmingly white.

And the voting population is overwhelmingly white. 72% Romney won them by 20 points and that is why 90% of his voters were white. That's it.

How did that get done? Racial identity politics. White people who only vote based on race for another white person who were duped by the GOP using racial tactics to lure in more white people.

Yet every racial group voted for Obama with larger margins than Whites did for Romney.

Racial identity politics is not going to win for the GOP anymore. And white non-hispanic makes up 63.7% of the population. And that's why the GOP continuing with racial identity politics to win the white non-hispanic vote with free gifts and other government stuff at the expense of everyone else is a losing proposition.

Now I know you're trolling. I thought you may be earlier but this just confirmed it.

 

[buckshot24]

Audience, it was so unlike American society outside of maybe Maine.

The speakers were more diverse. It may be interesting to do a racial count of both convention's speakers.

If 93-6 margins among blacks isn't racial identity politics then nothing is.

 

[Matt1970]

How am I bashing gays?

If you call someone gay as an insult, that is gay bashing.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I just told you how you can do it. Stating your assertion again doesn't make it true.I looked it it that way and 90% of Romney voters were white, I agree. But the problem with that is they also make up close to 80% of the population. It isn't as ridiculous as you're making it out to be.

It is impossible to pander to each group individually because many of these groups have different issues, sometimes maybe even competing issues. Instead, if you have a diverse electorate, then you have a universal policy.

However, if your entire electorate is monolithic, like in the case of almost all of Romney's base being white people, then that is clearly the most obvious case of racial identity politics.

Yet every racial group voted for Obama with larger margins than Whites did for Romney.

Obviously, because Romney went with racial politics and Obama did not. Romney's racial identity politics is a turn off to non-whites. Also, you need to look at the breakdown of the constituents.

Obama: Over 50% of his base was white, and then he also had tons of blacks, hispanics, asians, and native americans.
Romney: Almost all white.

That is a serious problem. Why do white people, and especially white men, succumb so easily to racial identity politics from the GOP? And do they know that this is no longer going to work? It's time for white men to abandon racial identity politics and re-integrate with a diverse american population.

 

[RabidMongoose]

The speakers were more diverse. It may be interesting to do a racial count of both convention's speakers.

If 93-6 margins among blacks isn't racial identity politics then nothing is.

But Obama's base wasn't 93% black. If it were, then that would be strange. But his base was white, black, hispanic, asian, native-american, etc.

But Romney's base was basically like a KKK rally. Almost entirely white. That is racial identity politics and white men got tricked into it.

 

[RabidMongoose]

The speakers were more diverse. It may be interesting to do a racial count of both convention's speakers.

If 93-6 margins among blacks isn't racial identity politics then nothing is.

But the audience was so unrepresentative of America. Why is that? Obviously the racial identity politics of the GOP is no longer working. They need to stop it and work with trying to get their white men base re-integrated with other americans. It's really their only hope.

 

[Matt1970]

But Obama's base wasn't 93% black. If it were, then that would be strange. But his base was white, black, hispanic, asian, native-american, etc.

But Romney's base was basically like a KKK rally. Almost entirely white. That is racial identity politics and white men got tricked into it.

A large majotity of the US is white. Does that mean the whole US is KKK?

 

[nehalem256]

But Obama's base wasn't 93% black. If it were, then that would be strange. But his base was white, black, hispanic, asian, native-american, etc.

Because if it was Romney would have won in the biggest landslide in history.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

A large majotity of the US is white. Does that mean the whole US is KKK?

You're missing the point.

Racial identity politics, aka the Southern Strategy, enabled the GOP to be wildly successful in the last 3-4 decades when whites were the overwhelming dominant voting block (even more so than now). Now that our white population is not keeping pace with the minority populations, this strategy simply doesn't work. You can't appeal to just white people and win a national election anymore, if you need proof go look at Romney and McCain. They kicked major ass with the white vote yet still lost.

If you're smart and a Republican, this is incredibly scary. How does a party essentially reintegrate itself into a multicultural/ethnic society without alienating their existing white base?

 

[nehalem256]

You're missing the point.

Racial identity politics, aka the Southern Strategy, enabled the GOP to be wildly successful in the last 3-4 decades when whites were the overwhelming dominant voting block (even more so than now). Now that our white population is not keeping pace with the minority populations, this strategy simply doesn't work. You can't appeal to just white people and win a national election anymore, if you need proof go look at Romney and McCain. They kicked major ass with the white vote yet still lost.

If you're smart and a Republican, this is incredibly scary. How does a party essentially reintegrate itself into a multicultural/ethnic society without alienating their existing white base?

I am still looking for evidence of racial politicing from Romney.

 

[nehalem256]

http://www.barackobama.com/groups/

Guess who isn't a group of people who Barack Obama cares about?

 

[DominionSeraph]

If 93-6 margins among blacks isn't racial identity politics then nothing is.

Republicans used racial identity politics and ran on a platform of white privilege and black oppression. Blacks noticed. Blacks voted Democrat in response.

Democrats do not have to pander to blacks in the least. As long as the GOP is the party of the Klan, and as long as blacks can't muster the power base to rule on their own, blacks are going to vote for enlightened liberals. You would too in their situation.

 

[nehalem256]

Republicans used racial identity politics and ran on a platform of white privilege and black oppression. Blacks noticed. Blacks voted Democrat in response.

Please point out where in the Republican platform the black oppression is?

 

[RabidMongoose]

A large majotity of the US is white. Does that mean the whole US is KKK?

About 64% of the US is white non-hispanic. But the GOP is 90% white non-hispanic. That's almost like the KKK, mainly because that 90% is stuck together due to racial identity politics.

It's time to fix the social problems with white men in this country. Years of GOP policies have destroyed white male attitudes and their views towards American culture and society.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Please point out where in the Republican platform the black oppression is?

It's not only about the GOP oppressing blacks or anyone else. It's about the GOP running on race politics towards whites and giving white people more than anyone else.

 

[nehalem256]

It's not only about the GOP oppressing blacks or anyone else. It's about the GOP running on race politics towards whites and giving white people more than anyone else.

I am still waiting on an example of this.

 

[Matt1970]

You're missing the point.

Racial identity politics, aka the Southern Strategy, enabled the GOP to be wildly successful in the last 3-4 decades when whites were the overwhelming dominant voting block (even more so than now). Now that our white population is not keeping pace with the minority populations, this strategy simply doesn't work. You can't appeal to just white people and win a national election anymore, if you need proof go look at Romney and McCain. They kicked major ass with the white vote yet still lost.

If you're smart and a Republican, this is incredibly scary. How does a party essentially reintegrate itself into a multicultural/ethnic society without alienating their existing white base?

No you are missing the point. You see a bunch of whites supporting the GOP but you fail to realize over 70% of the population is white. The only reason Democrats are trying to bring all this to light is you finally weeded yourselves of your own KKK members. You have no real proof of rampant racism in the Republican party so you are forced to try and bring up “southern strategy” which is from the 60’s and before and even more pathetic is dogwhistle racism. You are race baiting and doing a piss poor job of it.

 

[Matt1970]

It's not only about the GOP oppressing blacks or anyone else. It's about the GOP running on race politics towards whites and giving white people more than anyone else.

Ya... do you have even one shred of evidence of this?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I am still waiting on an example of this.

That's what the GOP was founded on...the southern strategy. The modern GOP is based off of racial identity politics and they continued it today to trick white men into voting purely basd on racial identity.

How else do you think it's possible that today an entire electorate would be almost entirely white?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Ya... do you have even one shred of evidence of this?

Ya. The foundation of the modern GOP. And then look at their convention audience (almost all white with racist incident that was reported) and the GOP electorate being almost entirely white.

 

[Matt1970]

Ya. The foundation of the modern GOP. And then look at their convention audience (almost all white with racist incident that was reported) and the GOP electorate being almost entirely white.

Then you could use the same evidence to say Obama only catered to the minority vote. Neither is true. Show me proof the the GOP is opressing black people.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Then you could use the same evidence to say Obama only catered to the minority vote. Neither is true. Show me proof the the GOP is opressing black people.

No that is not true because the facts show us that a vast coalition of different groups voted for Obama.

This is not true for Romney. His coalition was simply white. The RNC convention was simply white. These things are quite evident and not worthy of debating.