Republicans: Can you admit your party was wrong in attacks on Obama about Bill Ayers?

[Jhhnn]

You're not using "my logic" at all, Cybersage, but rather false equivalency. I'm confident that you're well aware of that, yet choose to do so anyway.

It follows from your previous fallacy of onus probandi, where you claim Ayers is a murderer, then produce no proof, but rather demand that others refute your claim.

That's not the way it works, other than in Wingnutlandia. If you claim Ayers is a murderer, prove it. I don't have to prove that he's not, at all.

 

[Stoneburner]

He was planting bombs on US soil !!!!!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with you people?

It's amazing that if he had targeted abortion clinics certain people would call him a hero.

 

[monovillage]

It's amazing that if he had targeted abortion clinics certain people would call him a hero.

Thank you for making the critical point for us. If Ayers had targeted abortion clinics and abortion doctors then Jhhnn, craig234 and the other liberals in this forum wouldn't be defending him. It's just that simple.

 

[Bowfinger]

You are right. A man who was a trial Lawyer for a noteable group like ACORN for 3 years is clearly a man who dedicated his life to community service. What was I thinking.

What were you thinking? Hmm. As best I can tell, it was something like, "Damn it. I pulled a stupid attack out of my ass and that damn Bowfinger called me on, proving I didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Ouch, that stings. Should I admit I erred? No, absolutely not. That would requires my integrity to be greater than my ego. I can't admit I was wrong. I shall instead puff up my chest, wave my hands, and try to change the subject. Maybe nobody will notice."

Anyway, that's my best guess at your thoughts. I'm sure I didn't get all the words exactly right, and I left out the "I hate Obama" that you likely added every sentence or two. Still, it's the explanation that matches your behavior.

 

[Bowfinger]

You're not using "my logic" at all, Cybersage, but rather false equivalency. I'm confident that you're well aware of that, yet choose to do so anyway.

It follows from your previous fallacy of onus probandi, where you claim Ayers is a murderer, then produce no proof, but rather demand that others refute your claim.

That's not the way it works, other than in Wingnutlandia. If you claim Ayers is a murderer, prove it. I don't have to prove that he's not, at all.

Meh, don't beat the poor boy up so much. Lying about others' comments is pretty much all he has.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thank you for making the critical point for us. If Ayers had targeted abortion clinics and abortion doctors then Jhhnn, craig234 and the other liberals in this forum wouldn't be defending him. It's just that simple.

I'm only defending him from scurrilous attacks not based on evidence, but rather on well indoctrinated faith.

He's done some good in his life, or tried to, and his influence on Obama has obviously been zilch, given the way Obama has comported himself as President.

Here's Ayers on the Afghan surge-

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...gainst_obamas_afghanistan_troop_decision.html

On classroom ethics-

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/classroom-ethics/

You won't find that in the NRO, just the usual invective.

 

[Matt1970]

I am completely unsurprised that you did not show even the modest level of integrity to acknowledge you were unquestionably wrong. It's so typical.

Dismissed. You have nothing worthwhile to offer.

Want to tell me exactly what I was wrong about again?

 

[Matt1970]

It's amazing that if he had targeted abortion clinics certain people would call him a hero.

Ya there probably would be but those are equally as bad.

 

[monovillage]

I'm only defending him from scurrilous attacks not based on evidence, but rather on well indoctrinated faith.

He's done some good in his life, or tried to, and his influence on Obama has obviously been zilch, given the way Obama has comported himself as President.

Here's Ayers on the Afghan surge-

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...gainst_obamas_afghanistan_troop_decision.html

On classroom ethics-

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/classroom-ethics/

You won't find that in the NRO, just the usual invective.

Was he good to his momma also?

 

[Matt1970]

Hey, pecker head, I know what my argument was. (Don't get upset; I know you can't help yourself) It was my damn argument and it was all to the point of character between a business and a community aim. Two Harvard degrees, two different life paths, one community oriented one business on Wall Street two different mind sets, two different aims. Obama didn't take the path of personal wealth but chose to work in the community. Two different personality skills, one of which creates skills that help others, the other to fatten ones wallet. Poor Mitt Romney isn't really focused at all on his fellow human beings and it shows in everything he does. Even conservatives hate him.

LOL, that's the nerve I was looking for. Nice to see you result to such maturity when completely schooled. And it's nice to see you think a man worth over $10,000,000 didn't take a path of personal wealth.

 

[Jhhnn]

Was he good to his momma also?

When you're been reduced to empty derision as the most meaningful thing you can say, you're beat.

 

[cybrsage]

You're not using "my logic" at all, Cybersage, but rather false equivalency.

I copied your logic. If you are unhappy with your logic, stop using it.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is no doubt about the fact that Ayers saw the enemy correctly, the war the rich wage against the other classes using the 'fuck themselves in the ass' brain defect of conservatives to deliver the blows and he doubtless knew that the tools of their power, those same brain defective Republicans would never figure it out and like most who can actually reason must have found himself in a quandary: How do you get any programs to change the fact that the wealth of a nation that is concentrating at the top because the folk who have it buy whatever it takes to keep that wealth flowing in that direction and use the brain defected, fuck themselves in the assers to insure it does not become more equitably distributed via billions in propaganda?

Well, as you can see you can't ever tell the 'fucked in the ass' they have a dick up their ass because, of the many things money has terrified them of, one is the fear of being homosexual, so all the blood in their stool must simply be an illusion, some kind of sign from God that they too will soon be rich.

So looking at the reality that truly exists the rich in total control and getting richer and the the dream world of the conservative brain defective, working overtime to keep them that way, and owing to the fact that the rich buy the laws that keep them in power, and the brain defective conservatives are going to stay totally defective, it becomes inevitable for the ignorant, and that is most of the human race, to turn to violence for the only answer, as that, of course, IS the only answer out there.

Yes, the rich will destroy themselves one day in revolution as they have done over and over again, because they have bought off the potential for a democratic cure. And the brain defective Republicans and the in the pocket Democrats will lead the way over that cliff. Utter hopelessness always turns to revolution unless the mind awakens, that everything that happens is the will of God, that there is nothing anybody needs to do about anything, that this moment, right now, is timeless and perfect.

You cannot change the brain dead and you can't stop the revolution.


A saying: The Sword of God is the empty bellies of the poor.

 

[cybrsage]

Meh, don't beat the poor boy up so much. Lying about others' comments is pretty much all he has.

Still mad about the other night?

 

[Conscript]

Its not like Obama has authorized the execution of US citizens withot trial or jury, if deemed an enemy combatant. That would be Ayers type extremism that you wouldn't want a president to endorse...oh wait...

 

[Matt1970]

There is no doubt about the fact that Ayers saw the enemy correctly, the war the rich wage against the other classes using the 'fuck themselves in the ass' brain defect of conservatives to deliver the blows and he doubtless knew that the tools of their power, those same brain defective Republicans would never figure it out and like most who can actually reason must have found himself in a quandary: How do you get any programs to change the fact that the wealth of a nation that is concentrating at the top because the folk who have it buy whatever it takes to keep that wealth flowing in that direction and use the brain defected, fuck themselves in the assers to insure it does not become more equitably distributed via billions in propaganda?

Well, as you can see you can't ever tell the 'fucked in the ass' they have a dick up their ass because, of the many things money has terrified them of, one is the fear of being homosexual, so all the blood in their stool must simply be an illusion, some kind of sign from God that they too will soon be rich.

So looking at the reality that truly exists the rich in total control and getting richer and the the dream world of the conservative brain defective, working overtime to keep them that way, and owing to the fact that the rich buy the laws that keep them in power, and the brain defective conservatives are going to stay totally defective, it becomes inevitable for the ignorant, and that is most of the human race, to turn to violence for the only answer, as that, of course, IS the only answer out there.

Yes, the rich will destroy themselves one day in revolution as they have done over and over again, because they have bought off the potential for a democratic cure. And the brain defective Republicans and the in the pocket Democrats will lead the way over that cliff. Utter hopelessness always turns to revolution unless the mind awakens, that everything that happens is the will of God, that there is nothing anybody needs to do about anything, that this moment, right now, is timeless and perfect.

You cannot change the brain dead and you can't stop the revolution.


A saying: The Sword of God is the empty bellies of the poor.

Someone's panties in a bunch? Your attitude has definitely took a turn for the worse after being schooled. Well, let’s school you once again. Ayers tirades were during the late 60's and early 70's when the upper income was taxed at 70% so associating Ayers with your concentration of wealth argument is debunked. Try again when you get another clue.

 

[Moonbeam]

LOL, that's the nerve I was looking for. Nice to see you result to such maturity when completely schooled. And it's nice to see you think a man worth over $10,000,000 didn't take a path of personal wealth.

You have a brain defect. YOU are right and you are RIGHT. You suffer from truthiness, certainty and arrogance combined the need to be right and gratified by shoving your truth down other's throats. These are the buttons anybody can push to set your defect in motion for all to see. If somebody argues with some imbecilic position you take you will fight them until you've completely buried your head and have your ass showing in the air in the hope of achieving some sense of personal significance. If by being abjectly ridiculous and stupid you win. You are defective, lacking is self respect, so you substitute the fact that you can upset sane people by being an idiot.

And you are exactly that. So all that needs for you to orgasm is for somebody to throw you some bones of feigned contempt. As I told you before, the only thing that people like you do to me is make me sad. You are a fuck yourself in the asser and you don't know it. Yes, you are hideous, yes you have a disease, yes you cause folk to vomit, but all that was what happened to you long ago when you were a child and real. You were completely destroyed and I know how sad you are inside. We are all the same.

 

[cybrsage]

Moonbeam, direct personal attacks are against the rules.

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It would be wise to stop doing them, else the mods will be inundated with reports about you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Someone's panties in a bunch? Your attitude has definitely took a turn for the worse after being schooled. Well, let’s school you once again. Ayers tirades were during the late 60's and early 70's when the upper income was taxed at 70% so associating Ayers with your concentration of wealth argument is debunked. Try again when you get another clue.

Ah, schooled! Hehehehehe Is that Southern?

 

[Matt1970]

You have a brain defect. YOU are right and you are RIGHT. You suffer from truthiness, certainty and arrogance combined the need to be right and gratified by shoving your truth down other's throats. These are the buttons anybody can push to set your defect in motion for all to see. If somebody argues with some imbecilic position you take you will fight them until you've completely buried your head and have your ass showing in the air in the hope of achieving some sense of personal significance. If by being abjectly ridiculous and stupid you win. You are defective, lacking is self respect, so you substitute the fact that you can upset sane people by being an idiot.

And you are exactly that. So all that needs for you to orgasm is for somebody to throw you some bones of feigned contempt. As I told you before, the only thing that people like you do to me is make me sad. You are a fuck yourself in the asser and you don't know it. Yes, you are hideous, yes you have a disease, yes you cause folk to vomit, but all that was what happened to you long ago when you were a child and real. You were completely destroyed and I know how sad you are inside. We are all the same.

It's not that I need to be right, it's just that it sooo easy picking out how many times you are wrong. You kinda make it real easy ya know.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam, direct personal attacks are against the rules.


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2227538

It would be wise to stop doing them.

I can't make personal attacks because we are all the same. I can only tell you who you are because I know me.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's not that I need to be right, it's just that it sooo easy picking out how many times you are wrong. You kinda make it real easy ya know.

You do need to be right. You can't even admit that you do. But what else is new. You are not able to reason so you will always be wrong.

 

[cybrsage]

I can't make personal attacks because we are all the same. I can only tell you who you are because I know me.

Not true and you know it. Just a friendly reminder that the rules apply to everyone.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not true and you know it. Just a friendly reminder that the rules apply to everyone.

You are most definitely wrong. I can't make personal attacks because I have nothing to gain by doing so. I have no ego. The truth just hurts your feelings because you're in denial, and wrong of course.

PS: You are a sweet child that got a brain defect is all.

 

[Bowfinger]

Want to tell me exactly what I was wrong about again?

Re. Obama as "Lecturer" for 12 years: "Getting Millions on the Lecture Circuit is a HUGE difference from community service."