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Republican Representative Justin Amash backs impeachment of Trump

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Predictable...

"Never a fan of @justinamash, a total lightweight who opposes me and some of our great Republican ideas and policies just for the sake of getting his name out there through controversy. If he actually read the biased Mueller Report, “composed” by 18 Angry Dems who hated Trump,...
...he would see that it was nevertheless strong on NO COLLUSION and, ultimately, NO OBSTRUCTION...Anyway, how do you Obstruct when there is no crime and, in fact, the crimes were committed by the other side? Justin is a loser who sadly plays right into our opponents hands!"

Lol...what a complete tool - "The biased Mueller report"..I thought the report totaly exonerated him?
 
ch33zw1z said:
And Trump fires back with irony

The Hill: Trump fires back at 'loser' GOP lawmaker who said he'd engaged in
'impeachable conduct'.
https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject....oser-gop-lawmaker-who-said-hed-engaged-in?amp
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The spin is fantastic-

....he would see that it was nevertheless strong on NO COLLUSION and, ultimately, NO OBSTRUCTION...Anyway, how do you Obstruct when there is no crime and, in fact, the crimes were committed by the other side? Justin is a loser who sadly plays right into our opponents hands!
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I mean, it doesn't matter what Trump tried to accomplish. All that matters is that he was mostly unsuccessful, meaning he's innocent. Or something.
 
Jhhnn said:
Barr already defies the legitimate power of Congress & only an order from the SCOTUS will change that, if then. I seriously doubt that the SCOTUS will side with Barr regardless of whether the word impeachment is employed or not.
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Then go get Barr. In the meantime impeach. This is now the time before Bolton starts a war with Iran and then we may have two term Trump.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Then go get Barr. In the meantime impeach. This is now the time before Bolton starts a war with Iran and then we may have two term Trump.
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Formal impeachment won't stop Trump & Bolton from starting a war against Iran. Removing Trump from office wouldn't mean that Pence won't dance to the Neocon tune, either.
 
Jaskalas said:
One Republican Congressman does not, an impeachment, make.

Where are the #nevertrump chickenhawks like Romney and Bush? Why don't they stand and do something for their country instead of their party? That'd be the day.
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I know and your questions are good ones in my opinion. But my question was intended for the people who before me had posted in this thread. While I could make all kinds of assumptions about why this particular congressman deviated from the pack, I can't really know his motivation or whether it was self serving, morally genuine, or something else. But I do find that perhaps for some knowable reason we have sayings like 'once beaten twice shy' for a reason. I recall suddenly just now having trouble with a rented horse getting him to gallop across an alpine meadow but became instantly compliant when I got off and and back on after cutting a willow switch. Ah, Jesus, I wondered off in revelry.

Anyway, it seems to me that the immediate imputation of negative intent, in even actions that appear to be objectively favorable, should be carefully looked at least we fall into a habituated cynical attitude inculcating it as a permanent feature, something I would categorize as an unconscious assumption like an iron bar magnetized to always face in a certain direction.
 
Jhhnn said:
Formal impeachment won't stop Trump & Bolton from starting a war against Iran. Removing Trump from office wouldn't mean that Pence won't dance to the Neocon tune, either.
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No it won't but what it WILL do is eliminate the argument what will be made and has a good chance of selling. That would be "We are at war with a hostile power and Dems are putting politics above the country at such a time". The Dems do not want that and impeachment would be part of the equation of whether to attack or not.

If Trump starts a war first then Dems will not impeach. If impeachment starts first then Trump is getting people killed to protect himself and that is a disincentive and a real PIA for Reps.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
No it won't but what it WILL do is eliminate the argument what will be made and has a good chance of selling. That would be "We are at war with a hostile power and Dems are putting politics above the country at such a time". The Dems do not want that and impeachment would be part of the equation of whether to attack or not.

If Trump starts a war first then Dems will not impeach. If impeachment starts first then Trump is getting people killed to protect himself and that is a disincentive and a real PIA for Reps.
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Trumpist fear mongering isn't getting any traction in the media. After the recent bullshit over Venezuela skepticism is running very high. I don't think Iran will do anything stupid & I don't think Bolton will, either, given none of the other parties in the JCPOA will back his play.

War with Iran would block nearly all oil shipments from the Gulf with huge backlash from all our friends & allies.
 
UPDATE...
Justin Amash was just seen floating face down in the Potomac River.
Hmmm. I wonder how THAT could have happened? (hint: something orange)
 
Jhhnn said:
Trumpist fear mongering isn't getting any traction in the media. After the recent bullshit over Venezuela skepticism is running very high. I don't think Iran will do anything stupid & I don't think Bolton will, either, given none of the other parties in the JCPOA will back his play.

War with Iran would block nearly all oil shipments from the Gulf with huge backlash from all our friends & allies.
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You have more faith in Trump than I do it would seem.
 
So the Mueller report is totally biased but it totally exonerates Trump and everyone in his campaign? And, there was no crime, but the crime that wasn't committed was committed by the other side.

You'd think somebody who lies so much would be better at it.

Trump is so easy to bait.

He just can’t let ANYTHING slide. One Republican congressman said something against me? WHAR MY TWEET-PHONE!
 
I've seen others say that Rump could start a war with Iran to shield himself from the House Democrats starting impeachment proceedings. If that is the case then Nixon never would have left office because the Vietnam War would have shielded his ass. If any of the current House Democrats float this shit then they can stuff it up their collective asses as it would just be an excuse to do nothing.

Hell, breaking an agreement (JCPOA) and then egging on a war to deflect from the crimes he has committed can be added to the impeachment charges as far as I'm concerned.
 
DrDoug said:
I've seen others say that Rump could start a war with Iran to shield himself from the House Democrats starting impeachment proceedings. If that is the case then Nixon never would have left office because the Vietnam War would have shielded his ass. If any of the current House Democrats float this shit then they can stuff it up their collective asses as it would just be an excuse to do nothing.

Hell, breaking an agreement (JCPOA) and then egging on a war to deflect from the crimes he has committed can be added to the impeachment charges as far as I'm concerned.
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Viet Nam and Iran are completely different scenarios because Americans had been rioting to end a war that had gone on for years. With Trump think Bush. No one did anything while he was in office and when he was out the Dems and Obama swept everything under the rug.

Here's how things will go. If the Dems impeach first then Trump is starting a war to cover his ass. If Trump starts a war and then the Dems are faced with impeachment they won't do it because they won't be seen as the party who is bringing down a Commander in Chief while American lives are at stake.

Yeah it's bullshit but bullshit is what fuels DC.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Viet Nam and Iran are completely different scenarios because Americans had been rioting to end a war that had gone on for years. With Trump think Bush. No one did anything while he was in office and when he was out the Dems and Obama swept everything under the rug.

Here's how things will go. If the Dems impeach first then Trump is starting a war to cover his ass. If Trump starts a war and then the Dems are faced with impeachment they won't do it because they won't be seen as the party who is bringing down a Commander in Chief while American lives are at stake.

Yeah it's bullshit but bullshit is what fuels DC.
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Other than Bolton-Americans, do you really think that the rest of America is aching for a war with Iran? Do you think they are just going to accept what the Urine-splattered Incest Yam says, especially when most Americans believe that he has committed crimes? How about the parents and spouses who have someone serving and yet they are not on the Rump Train?

All of this is arguing about pure speculation and not really worth spit until things 'ripen' (good word for the shit that goes on in his administration). Especially if Pelosi decides that rather than impeachment, hearings and sternly worded letters will give them the win in 2020. Then we have been arguing over nothing...lol!

Shit is gonna happen and all we can do is watch because, like it or not, we are along for the ride.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Viet Nam and Iran are completely different scenarios because Americans had been rioting to end a war that had gone on for years. With Trump think Bush. No one did anything while he was in office and when he was out the Dems and Obama swept everything under the rug.

Here's how things will go. If the Dems impeach first then Trump is starting a war to cover his ass. If Trump starts a war and then the Dems are faced with impeachment they won't do it because they won't be seen as the party who is bringing down a Commander in Chief while American lives are at stake.

Yeah it's bullshit but bullshit is what fuels DC.
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Hayabusa Rider said:
Viet Nam and Iran are completely different scenarios because Americans had been rioting to end a war that had gone on for years. With Trump think Bush. No one did anything while he was in office and when he was out the Dems and Obama swept everything under the rug.

Here's how things will go. If the Dems impeach first then Trump is starting a war to cover his ass. If Trump starts a war and then the Dems are faced with impeachment they won't do it because they won't be seen as the party who is bringing down a Commander in Chief while American lives are at stake.

Yeah it's bullshit but bullshit is what fuels DC.
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Or Dems will make starting a totally unjustified & unpopular war part of the impeachment charges. It's not like the Iraqis, Qataris, Bahrainians, Kuwaitis or their customers want their oil shipments stopped, either.
 
A republican with actual ethical standards and morals, wow.

I'm so used to these shit sucking traitors putting party before country I really thought this kind of republican had gone extinct.

So we've got one republican doing his job - putting the Constitution ahead of the agenda of the Trump cult. Poor guy is probably the loneliest politicians on the hill, but don't worry Mr. Amash, this integrity won't be forgotten.
 
Jaskalas said:
Romney disagrees with GOP congressman's conclusion on Trump's 'impeachable conduct'
"I just don't think that there is the full element that you need to prove an obstruction of justice case," Romney said. "I don't think impeachment is the right way to go."​

Holy ambiguity batman. Romney doesn't say Trump is guilty, but he doesn't say he is innocent either.
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In Romneyspeak, Trump hasn't done enough bad shit for the Senate to convict. He didn't disagree with the Congressman's assertion Trump engaged in "impeachable conduct".
 
Cowards and traitors begin the predictable smear

"House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy appeared on Fox News to unleash a wild flurry of lies. “You’ve got to understand Justin Amash. He’s been in Congress quite some time. I think he’s asked one question in all the committees that he’s been in,” he said. “He votes more with Nancy Pelosi than he ever votes with me. It’s a question whether he’s even in our Republican conference as a whole. What he wants is attention in this process. He’s not a criminal attorney. He’s never met Mueller. He’s never met Barr.” The California congressman added, “It’s very disturbing … He never supported the president, and I think he’s just looking for attention.”

It's not about if you've actually read the report, nope, the real story is if you've met Mueller or Barr.

Very disturbing indeed.
 
kage69 said:
Cowards and traitors begin the predictable smear

"House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy appeared on Fox News to unleash a wild flurry of lies. “You’ve got to understand Justin Amash. He’s been in Congress quite some time. I think he’s asked one question in all the committees that he’s been in,” he said. “He votes more with Nancy Pelosi than he ever votes with me. It’s a question whether he’s even in our Republican conference as a whole. What he wants is attention in this process. He’s not a criminal attorney. He’s never met Mueller. He’s never met Barr.” The California congressman added, “It’s very disturbing … He never supported the president, and I think he’s just looking for attention.”

It's not about if you've actually read the report, nope, the real story is if you've met Mueller or Barr.

Very disturbing indeed.
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This paragraph from the article speaks exactly what repubs have become.

"In one sense this is true. If you define anybody who objects to Trump’s conduct as a political foe, then only his foes object to his conduct. Trump has used this logical circle to discredit everybody who has challenged him. This Trumpian alchemy has transformed lifelong Republicans like Robert Mueller, James Comey, John McCain, John Kasich, and many others into hardened Democratic partisans. To be a loyal Republican now is to support all of Trump’s misconduct, therefore, anybody who objects to Trump’s conduct is a partisan Democrat. "

Plus McCarthy lies. Everything he said was refuted as far as this guy voting and asking questions in committees. They all think its OK to pull
erroneous info out of their asses and put it up as fact. They're all taking cues from the orange orangutan.
 
esquared said:
This paragraph from the article speaks exactly what repubs have become.

"In one sense this is true. If you define anybody who objects to Trump’s conduct as a political foe, then only his foes object to his conduct. Trump has used this logical circle to discredit everybody who has challenged him. This Trumpian alchemy has transformed lifelong Republicans like Robert Mueller, James Comey, John McCain, John Kasich, and many others into hardened Democratic partisans. To be a loyal Republican now is to support all of Trump’s misconduct, therefore, anybody who objects to Trump’s conduct is a partisan Democrat. "

Plus McCarthy lies. Everything he said was refuted as far as this guy voting and asking questions in committees. They all think its OK to pull
erroneous info out of their asses and put it up as fact. They're all taking cues from the orange orangutan.
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Hopefully there are enough partisan democrats!
 
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