Republican Representative Justin Amash backs impeachment of Trump

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woolfe9998

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No it doesn't... it's possible that the people who voted him into office are idiots who voted for an idiot. Either way, when it comes to the conservatives of today it's safe to say that there are a lot of idiots involved. Oh, and money. In his case it's probably money.

Not buying what the right is selling here. Calling for Trump's impeachment isn't going to end Trump's tariffs against China. Amash knows full well there is no chance Trump gets thrown out of office. But it may well result in Amash being thrown out of Congress. It makes no sense whatsoever as a financial motive because it won't achieve his purpose. All it does is put him in political jeopardy.
 

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Not buying what the right is selling here. Calling for Trump's impeachment isn't going to end Trump's tariffs against China. Amash knows full well there is no chance Trump gets thrown out of office. But it may well result in Amash being thrown out of Congress. It makes no sense whatsoever as a financial motive because it won't achieve his purpose. All it does is put him in political jeopardy.

Who says that he will do something that makes sense? ;) Hell, he could have a plan that makes sense but the way he plans to get there makes absolutely no sense. remember, he's a conservative...lol!

All we can do is sit back and watch it all happen but in the meantime the theorycrafting is kinda fun. :D
 

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I think he knows that history will ultimately not look kindly on trump and is trying to cement a positive legacy as being the one guy in red who did the honorable thing.
 

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Who says that he will do something that makes sense? ;) Hell, he could have a plan that makes sense but the way he plans to get there makes absolutely no sense. remember, he's a conservative...lol!

All we can do is sit back and watch it all happen but in the meantime the theorycrafting is kinda fun. :D

Perhaps, but I'm going to assume he behaves rationally in regard to his own self-interest unless there is compelling reason in his case to assume otherwise. And in this case, since he has literally zero chance of ousting Trump and ending his China trade policies, there can literally be no financial upside here. If he's acting in self-interest, it's more likely to be in the manner of protecting his legacy, because he can see the handwriting on the wall.
 

ivwshane

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I saw some tweets by the guy, he was countering talking points by the right and he broke down the argument piece by piece. Seems like we have a Republican who is capable of thinking for himself.
 
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What? A conscientious Republican? I seriously doubted such a person existed. I have to wonder if he won't jump ship and disown his party. It's certainly been done before.
 

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I’m enjoying all the criticism of this guy from conservatives who otherwise love to complain about how criticism of their statements is oppressing their freedom of speech.
 
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I’m enjoying all the criticism of this guy from conservatives who otherwise love to complain about how criticism of their statements is oppressing their freedom of speech.
Well you know it's the liberals that get outraged when someone dares to oppose the party line.
 

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I’m enjoying all the criticism of this guy from conservatives who otherwise love to complain about how criticism of their statements is oppressing their freedom of speech.

Or how anyone else is a triggered snowflake stuck in a safe space bubble.
 

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The House Crazy Caucus has issued a statement condemning Amash for being honest and forthright with the American people about the fact that the President is a criminal and should be impeached. He's also been cut off from RNC funding for his reelection and has earned a primary opponent.

If Combover Caligula is impeached then Amash is going to smell like a rose and the traitors in the Crazy Caucus are going to smell like the bullshit that fertilized Amash's fragrance.
 

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I doubt he found morals and he appears to not be an idiot. Five Congressional terms proves that.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what his final objective is.

you sure about that? you might want to look up the fine rep from texas, louie gohmert, the guy who covets asparagus. he's been in office since '05 and they don't get much dumber than him.

you don't have to be smart to get elected, you just have to be electable, in this day and age intelligence does not enter the equation, just look at the idiots on the right that are in office.
 

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The House Crazy Caucus has issued a statement condemning Amash for being honest and forthright with the American people about the fact that the President is a criminal and should be impeached. He's also been cut off from RNC funding for his reelection and has earned a primary opponent.

If Combover Caligula is impeached then Amash is going to smell like a rose and the traitors in the Crazy Caucus are going to smell like the bullshit that fertilized Amash's fragrance.

This is really unprecedented. The country is in far worse shape than is recognized by the vast majority of people in it, and even seeing these things doesn't quite feel the way it ought to.

I wonder what it was like to be a regular German citizen during Hitler's prelude to WW2.
 

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This is really unprecedented. The country is in far worse shape than is recognized by the vast majority of people in it, and even seeing these things doesn't quite feel the way it ought to.

I wonder what it was like to be a regular German citizen during Hitler's prelude to WW2.

This part of “they thought they were free” is quoted a lot recently and seems to ring pretty true to our current situation.

”You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
 

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Someone over at Daily Kos put the tweets together:

Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented key aspects of Mueller’s report and decisions in the investigation, which has helped further the president’s false narrative about the investigation.
After receiving Mueller’s report, Barr wrote and released a letter on March 24 describing Barr’s own decision not to indict the president for obstruction of justice. That letter selectively quotes and summarizes points in Mueller’s report in misleading ways.

Mueller’s report says he chose not to decide whether Trump broke the law because there’s an official DoJ opinion that indicting a sitting president is unconstitutional, and because of concerns about impacting the president’s ability to govern and pre-empting possible impeachment.

Barr’s letter doesn’t mention those issues when explaining why Mueller chose not to make a prosecutorial decision. He instead selectively quotes Mueller in a way that makes it sound—falsely—as if Mueller’s decision stemmed from legal/factual issues specific to Trump’s actions.

But, in fact, Mueller finds considerable evidence that several of Trump’s actions detailed in the report meet the elements of obstruction, and Mueller’s constitutional and prudential issues with indicting a sitting president would preclude indictment regardless of what he found.

In noting why Barr thought the president’s intent in impeding the investigation was insufficient to establish obstruction, Barr selectively quotes Mueller to make it sound as if his analysis was much closer to Barr’s analysis than it actually was:

Barr quotes Mueller saying the evidence didn’t establish that Trump was personally involved in crimes related to Russian election interference, and Barr then claims that Mueller found that fact relevant to whether the president had the intent to obstruct justice.

But Mueller’s quote is taken from a section in which he describes other improper motives Trump could have had and notes: “The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.” None of that is in Barr’s letter.

As a result of Barr’s March 24 letter, the public and Congress were misled. Mueller himself notes this in a March 27 letter to Barr, saying that Barr’s letter “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions.”

Mueller: “There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.”

To “alleviate the misunderstandings that have arisen,” Mueller urged the release of the report’s introductions and executive summaries, which he had told Barr “accurately summarize [Mueller’s] Office’s work and conclusions.”

Barr declined; he allowed the confusion to fester and only released the materials three weeks later with the full redacted report. In the interim, Barr testified before a House committee and was misleading about his knowledge of Mueller’s concerns:

Barr was asked about reports “that members of [Mueller’s] team are frustrated…with the limited information included in your March 24th letter, that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report’s findings. Do you know what they’re referencing with that?”

Barr absurdly replied: “No, I don’t…I suspect that they probably wanted more put out.” Yet Mueller had directly raised those concerns to Barr, and Barr says he “suspect” they “probably” wanted more materials put out, as if Mueller hadn’t directly told him that.

In subsequent statements and testimony, Barr used further misrepresentations to help build the president’s false narrative that the investigation was unjustified.

Barr notes that Mueller did not “find any conspiracy to violate U.S. law involving Russia-linked persons and any persons associated with the Trump campaign.” He then declares that Mueller found “no collusion” and implies falsely that the investigation was baseless.

But whether there’s enough evidence for a conviction of a specific crime which Mueller thought was appropriate to charge is a different and much higher standard than whether the people whom Mueller investigated had done anything worthy of investigation.

In truth, Mueller’s report describes concerning contacts between members of Trump’s campaign and people in or connected to the Russian government.

For instance, Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Russian lawyer whom Trump Jr. had been told worked for the Russian government and would provide documents to “incriminate Hillary,” as part of the Russian government’s “support for Mr. Trump.”

It’s wrong to suggest that the fact that Mueller did not choose to indict anyone for this means there wasn’t a basis to investigate whether it amounted to a crime or “collusion,” or whether it was in fact part of Russia’s efforts to help Trump’s candidacy.

Barr says the White House “fully cooperated” with the investigation and that Mueller “never sought” or “pushed” to get more from the president, but the report says Mueller unsuccessfully sought an interview with the president for over a year.

The report says the president’s counsel was told that interviewing him was “vital” to Mueller’s investigation and that it would be in the interest of the public and the presidency. Still Trump refused.

The president instead gave written answers to questions submitted by the special counsel. Those answers are often incomplete or unresponsive. Mueller found them “inadequate” and again sought to interview the president.

Ultimately, the special counsel “recogniz[ed] that the President would not be interviewed voluntarily” and chose not to subpoena him because of concerns that the resulting “potentially lengthy constitutional litigation” would delay completion of the investigation.

Barr has so far successfully used his position to sell the president’s false narrative to the American people. This will continue if those who have read the report do not start pushing back on his misrepresentations and share the truth.

While Amash has voted for 90% of Hair Furor's way it's good to see him not let up on this. Of course I am rooting for injuries to both sides here with the rest of us being the eventual winners if Amash can convince his fellow white supremacists in the House to join him.
 
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His town hall meeting and listening to the Trump humpers...good lord. Something something constitution...Trump did nothing wrong...you have to respect the constitution. FFS it's this guys constitutional duty to hold the executive branch accountable. You morons need to be slapped with a constitution.
 

ivwshane

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His town hall meeting and listening to the Trump humpers...good lord. Something something constitution...Trump did nothing wrong...you have to respect the constitution. FFS it's this guys constitutional duty to hold the executive branch accountable. You morons need to be slapped with a constitution.

I'm pretty sure, other than the 2nd amendment, they would recognize a sign single quote from it.
 

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His town hall meeting and listening to the Trump humpers...good lord. Something something constitution...Trump did nothing wrong...you have to respect the constitution. FFS it's this guys constitutional duty to hold the executive branch accountable. You morons need to be slapped with a constitution.
Trump takes his morning constitutional and his fans lap it up.
 

woolfe9998

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