Republican government shutdown 2025 v2.0

[soulcougher73]

Republicans don't have a majority of their caucus onboard to pass anything in the Senate regarding an appropriation to keep the government open. If they did, they wouldn't have to shut down the government and be trying to pressure Democrats on passing a bill.

They want Democratic party help because they need political cover or votes that won't come from their own caucus.

Each house of Congress decides how it will operate and votes on their own rules. Rule changes require simple majorities. The filibuster is merely a rule that has been changed many times over the years, usually when the majority started to find it annoying.

But don't they only need these Dems vote because of the filibuster? They have the votes on simple majority otherwise it seems. Why don't they just vote to eliminate the filibuster, and then pass the budget as they want? Since they seem to find it annoying at the moment.

 

[Brainonska511]

I wouldn't mind Singleplayer Trumpcare to replace ACA..

Question is does Trump wanna leave a positive legacy rather than a dumb one.

Trump and Republicans will never put forward a single payer policy, so I don't know why anyone would ever entertain such a fantasy.

And even if they did, who's going to be in charge of it? Oh right, RFK Jr. and his cadre of whackadoodles.

 

[Brainonska511]

But don't they only need these Dems vote because of the filibuster? They have the votes on simple majority otherwise it seems. Why don't they just vote to eliminate the filibuster, and then pass the budget as they want? Since they seem to find it annoying at the moment.

Yes. They only need Dems for the cloture vote to get past the filibuster.

They don't vote to get rid of the filibuster because they find it useful for sinking things they don't really want to do (even when they claim they are for something). It's pure theater.

 

[K1052]

Yes. They only need Dems for the cloture vote to get past the filibuster.

They don't vote to get rid of the filibuster because they find it useful for sinking things they don't really want to do (even when they claim they are for something). It's pure theater.

Yes and since R policy goals are accomplished largely through judicial capture. They absolutely do not want to vote on real policy sent over by the house.

 

[Indus]

Trump and Republicans will never put forward a single payer policy, so I don't know why anyone would ever entertain such a fantasy.

And even if they did, who's going to be in charge of it? Oh right, RFK Jr. and his cadre of whackadoodles.

You don't know how much in deep shit they're likely to be in once the tariffs and these medicare/ medicaid cuts start hitting. It's going to be a lot easier/ cheaper for them to do a blanket single payer than something massive that they can't even get their head around.

But yeah chances are you're right.

However I look at the Luigi thing.. and even amongst MAGA voters.. there's no sympathy for the CEO's.

 

[soulcougher73]

Yes. They only need Dems for the cloture vote to get past the filibuster.

They don't vote to get rid of the filibuster because they find it useful for sinking things they don't really want to do (even when they claim they are for something). It's pure theater.

In theory could the GOP vote to remove the filibuster. Pass this item. Then vote to put the filibuster back in place until the next time they don't like it?

 

[Brainonska511]

In theory could the GOP vote to remove the filibuster. Pass this item. Then vote to put the filibuster back in place until the next time they don't like it?

Yes, they could do that. But there is an element of theater to it all.

If they do that, then their voters will demand they do it for other stuff, and the illusion is lost.

 

[Brainonska511]

You don't know how much in deep shit they're likely to be in once the tariffs and these medicare/ medicaid cuts start hitting. It's going to be a lot easier/ cheaper for them to do a blanket single payer than something massive that they can't even get their head around.

But yeah chances are you're right.

However I look at the Luigi thing.. and even amongst MAGA voters.. there's no sympathy for the CEO's.

Anyone that thinks it will be cheap and easy to implement a single payer system in the US should check out the ocean front property I'm selling in Arizona. And anyone that thinks the GOP could turn to it after they make a huge cluster fuck of things. L O fucking L.

There is no easy solution to fixing healthcare costs in the US. We are bounded by decisions made 1-3 generations ago, and the disparate interests of various stakeholder groups and the public today. If a single payer system came down from heaven tomorrow, a lot of people across the board would have to get real cool, real fast with making less money, having even longer wait times, and potentially facing even more (but different than today) "no"s for various procedures and meds.

 

[IronWing]

In theory could the GOP vote to remove the filibuster. Pass this item. Then vote to put the filibuster back in place until the next time they don't like it?

Yes. Anytime that the Republicans try to divert credit for the shutdown to the Democrats, this should be plainly stated. The bill that the Senate Republicans are trying to coerce the Democrats into supporting was crafted with no Democratic input, no negotiation, no compromises. There is no reason for the Democrats to support this bill. If the Republicans want their bill to pass they either have to vote for it themselves, without the Democrats, or negotiate with the Democrats. The government is shutdown because the Republicans have decided that negotiation and compromise are surrender.

 

[cytg111]

Yes. They only need Dems for the cloture vote to get past the filibuster.

They don't vote to get rid of the filibuster because they find it useful for sinking things they don't really want to do (even when they claim they are for something). It's pure theater.

I dont know.

Trump base
Popularity of singlepayer
Musk money
Thiel money (and tec)
Ellison money

Maybe they can do without the rest of the donor class?

Trump could have the statue of liberty torn down and put up another of himself in gold if he produced singlepayer .. that fucks any nobel "peace" prize. It is not out of his psych profile to reach for such a thing.

 

[UNCjigga]

I wouldn't mind Singleplayer Trumpcare to replace ACA..

Question is does Trump wanna leave a positive legacy rather than a dumb one.

I think a more likely scenario is that they will cave on the subsidies, but add some other “wealth transfer” (tax) targeting the poors and the city-dwellers as a result. Then when people complain about the new tax, they’ll blame Democrats again.

 

[Indus]

Anyone that thinks it will be cheap and easy to implement a single payer system in the US should check out the ocean front property I'm selling in Arizona. And anyone that thinks the GOP could turn to it after they make a huge cluster fuck of things. L O fucking L.

There is no easy solution to fixing healthcare costs in the US. We are bounded by decisions made 1-3 generations ago, and the disparate interests of various stakeholder groups and the public today. If a single payer system came down from heaven tomorrow, a lot of people across the board would have to get real cool, real fast with making less money, having even longer wait times, and potentially facing even more (but different than today) "no"s for various procedures and meds.

That's a good point, we'll never get the singlepayer we want unless we split the country.

If we get any form of singlepayer it's likely to be as terrible as the UK form of NHS.

 

[Brainonska511]

That's a good point, we'll never get the singlepayer we want unless we split the country.

If we get any form of singlepayer it's likely to be as terrible as the UK form of NHS.

Neither of those things are true or realistic.

 

[Drach]

Trump and Republicans will never put forward a single payer policy, so I don't know why anyone would ever entertain such a fantasy.

And even if they did, who's going to be in charge of it? Oh right, RFK Jr. and his cadre of whackadoodles.

Trump is an egotistical idiot. If someone told him his legacy would be Trumpcare and would be cherished for a 100 years he might fall for it.
I can't wait for the midterms to come.

 

[trenchfoot]

But don't they only need these Dems vote because of the filibuster? They have the votes on simple majority otherwise it seems. Why don't they just vote to eliminate the filibuster, and then pass the budget as they want? Since they seem to find it annoying at the moment.

Let's begin with the fact that the Trump regime wanted the shutdown to being with. If you recall, they clocked themselves out the last few days before the deadline came up. This because they felt they could hang the shutdown on the Dems and keep that going for as long as the shutdown was in effect and thereafter going into the mid-terms. Doesn't seem to have turned out that way, so now it seems they're scrambling to give the Senate Dems a 'lil sumthin-sumthin in the way of resuscitating the ACA for the Dems to get on board without actually admitting it.

 

[lamedude]

Hot take
Marketplace insurance should not be cheaper than employer insurance.
The subsidies for >400% FPL should stay but the rest should expire.
A $15 hour McDonald's employee pays $2K for a HDHP nobody bats an eye.
A $31K year Uber driver will have to pay $2K for a silver plan shut down the government.

 

[IronWing]

Hot take
Marketplace insurance should not be cheaper than employer insurance.
The subsidies for >400% FPL should stay but the rest should expire.
A $15 hour McDonald's employee pays $2K for a HDHP nobody bats an eye.
A $31K year Uber driver will have to pay $2K for a silver plan shut down the government.

Again, the Democrats are under no obligation to support the majority party’s bill. The Republicans don’t want to pass the bill they crafted on their own so they shutdown the government. The choices to pass a bill are that the Republicans vote for their own bill or they negotiate with the Democrats. The Republicans are driving the bus and they chose to park the bus to go on a weekend bender. Republicans are far better at winning elections than they are at governing.

On a side note: why would we want to put the ACA on a race to the bottom with private insurance? The rapacious practices of the private insurance industry are what led to the creation of the ACA.

 

[K1052]

Again, the Democrats are under no obligation to support the majority party’s bill. The Republicans don’t want to pass the bill they crafted on their own so they shutdown the government. The choices to pass a bill are that the Republicans vote for their own bill or they negotiate with the Democrats. The Republicans are driving the bus and they chose to park the bus to go on a weekend bender. Republicans are far better at winning elections than they are at governing.

Thune also may not (yet) have the votes to tactical nuke for CR passage. They'd rather not keep whittling down the filibuster because Republicans love the filibuster but eventually Trump will probably make them.

 

[Puffnstuff]

What I want to know is now that the shutdown is in progress are you going to get your Trump $1 coin when it debuts? 🤔😜

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/03/business/trump-coin-treasurer-250-anniversary

 

[eelw]

Right, coins to commemorate presidents are always after they have died. Lol please hero Big Mac and make this a reality

 

[IronWing]

If the Trump coin becomes a reality, look for my set of custom metal stamps on Etsy.

 

[K1052]

It is funny that only 22% of Rs think the official Trump explanation for the shutdown (Ds want to give illegal aliens Medicaid) is true. Say what you will about Democratic messaging the message itself has apparently been heard.

https://bsky.app/profile/today.yougov.com%2Fpost%2F3m2dfq6uos22y

 

[Puffnstuff]

It is funny that only 22% of Rs think the official Trump explanation for the shutdown (Ds want to give illegal aliens Medicaid) is true. Say what you will about Democratic messaging the message itself has apparently been heard.

https://bsky.app/profile/today.yougov.com%2Fpost%2F3m2dfq6uos22y

My parents believe any and everything the party tells them.

 

[Jaskalas]

My parents believe any and everything the party tells them.

Yours too? Golly gee....
We need serious age limits for office.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Yours too? Golly gee....
We need serious age limits for office.

This is why the R's love uneducated people so they can expend less resources manipulating them with false narratives and baseless accusations without having to provide facts or any proof whatsoever.

Amazing still is that so many so called "Christians" go along with this nonsense when the good book tells them that people perish for lack of knowledge and to prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.