Republican government shutdown 2025 v2.0

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dlerious

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Amazing still is that so many so called "Christians" go along with this nonsense when the good book tells them that people perish for lack of knowledge and to prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.
You should check out all those Christians on TikTok who missed the rapture.
 

Puffnstuff

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You should check out all those Christians on TikTok who missed the rapture.
I know right. If only somebody had told them, if only there were some instructions left for them to consult for guidance to these matters.

Honestly Jesus stated that straight is the gate and narrow is the path that leadeth unto life and few there be that find it.

Even he stated in advance that very few people would actually achieve salvation and that the majority would be imposters just like the pharisees, Sadducees and the scribes who tracked down the prostitute at the well while he was speaking to her. When you see these people doing their thing the hypocrisy shines through like an in progress supernova.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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K1052

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The D's are losing support over this especially since military and civilian pay are being held hostage to this little game they are playing. They are totally contradicting themselves from what they said in the spring so they are only hurting themselves.

What we're really talking about is the Senate minority leadership here because House Ds held the line this spring. Schumer made a major political error based on a bad premise. However it kind of works out now since Trump's approval has fallen a lot since then which means more people are inclined to blame him instead.

So far no survey indicates that voters are inclined to blame Ds more than Trump.
 

Pontius Dilate

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The D's are losing support over this especially since military and civilian pay are being held hostage to this little game they are playing. They are totally contradicting themselves from what they said in the spring so they are only hurting themselves.
The Republicans own all branches of government, the Executive is arbitrarily and unilaterally disregarding Congress's funding decisions, Republicans completely refuse to even talk to Democrats about funding, Republicans can pass a funding bill literally any time they want, but it's the Democrats who are playing a little game.
 

K1052

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The Republicans own all branches of government, the Executive is arbitrarily and unilaterally disregarding Congress's funding decisions, Republicans completely refuse to even talk to Democrats about funding, Republicans can pass a funding bill literally any time they want, but it's the Democrats who are playing a little game.

Yes, it's hard to pretend you are not in control when you've got a trifecta. Even the general public thinks pretending to be helpless is bullshit.
 

fskimospy

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The D's are losing support over this especially since military and civilian pay are being held hostage to this little game they are playing. They are totally contradicting themselves from what they said in the spring so they are only hurting themselves.
lol no.

Republicans control the entire elected government. They could reopen the government today if they wanted to - they have two options since they decided to use their reconciliation bill to cut taxes for rich people instead of fund the government:

1) Make concessions to the Democrats to get their votes. (although Democrats should only accept concessions that include some sort of binding commitment to the rule of law like zeroing out ICE funding if it isn't followed)

2) Eliminate the filibuster. I've been arguing for this for years so here's their chance to do something good!
 

Indus

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The D's are losing support over this especially since military and civilian pay are being held hostage to this little game they are playing. They are totally contradicting themselves from what they said in the spring so they are only hurting themselves.

spring??

No one remembers what they said before Charlie Kirk.. who the fuck cares about something said before Spring.
 
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K1052

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lol no.

Republicans control the entire elected government. They could reopen the government today if they wanted to - they have two options since they decided to use their reconciliation bill to cut taxes for rich people instead of fund the government:

1) Make concessions to the Democrats to get their votes. (although Democrats should only accept concessions that include some sort of binding commitment to the rule of law like zeroing out ICE funding if it isn't followed)

2) Eliminate the filibuster. I've been arguing for this for years so here's their chance to do something good!

ACA subsidies and a total ban on rescissions (Senate Rs) and impoundments (Vought) that contravene the government funding agreement. Breaking either should result in immediate defunding of the executive branch including OMB and the WH itself.
 
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Puffnstuff

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spring??

No one remembers what they said before Charlie Kirk.. who the fuck cares about something said before Spring.
Plenty of people remember what they said to the R's about shutting down the government which makes what they are doing right now hypocritical.
 
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Moonbeam

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Hypocrites?!

Anyone complaining about dems being hypocrites is looking for a justification for a position they already hold.
The idea of holding a position triggers a lot of positional thoughts in me. What is my position on holding a position? It would have be that holding a position is a thought process that has it's origin in the past and is therefore fixed and dead. My position of that would next be that to be free of positions would require that one would have to be experiencing pure awareness. Only then would one be alive in the now. Only then would one be experiencing what really is free of thought, free of habituated memories, free of programmed positions. Only then would love be real.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Plenty of people remember what they said to the R's about shutting down the government which makes what they are doing right now hypocritical.

- "If you cannot pass the bill without our votes, you have to negotiate with us, that's how this works" - Every Republican house majority leader ever when wrangling a Dem president into a shutdown negotiation.

Turnabout is absolutely fair play.
 

Moonbeam

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The D's are losing support over this especially since military and civilian pay are being held hostage to this little game they are playing. They are totally contradicting themselves from what they said in the spring so they are only hurting themselves.
To be or not to be. Seems like maybe suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune has given way to by opposing end them. All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. Maybe the time of whimpering his passing and we are starting to hear the pressure wave of an oncoming bang. Maybe it's time that people start punching bullies in the face. It's the fate of implacable evil, no? How can you let evil destroy innocent lives even though the evil are evil through no real fault of their own.
 

Indus

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How would you even do that when the GOP clerics on the supreme court support the recission?

War

But that's the point.. they have the made the calculation that we're a bunch of chicken shit wusses who're too afraid to actually do anything about their aggression which keep getting bigger by the day.. by the time we're talking about them taking an inch, they've taken miles.

Sadly the only way to beat a bunch of bullies who's hell bent on burning everything down is showing them we're not bluffing and we have red lines for real.
 
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fskimospy

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How would you even do that when the GOP clerics on the supreme court support the recission?
Theoretically something like 'if fewer than $X are spent on these subsidies by January 1st funding for the office of the president and ICE will be set to $0.'

Of course at this point we are basically outside the law and we both know that Trump would decide to divert funding from feeding hungry kids to imprison them but that's a separate conversation that's more related to civil conflict of some sort.
 
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iRONic

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What I want to know is now that the shutdown is in progress are you going to get your Trump $1 coin when it debuts? 🤔😜

My wish:​

Does a government shutdown also shut Donald Trump's mouth? That would be nice. | Opinion​

It seems a full shutdown of the federal government should act as a sort of mute button on the president. From here on, he can keep talking but we can't hear a word he says.​

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IronWing

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Plenty of people remember what they said to the R's about shutting down the government which makes what they are doing right now hypocritical.
The Democrats didn't shutdown the government so hypocrisy not found. The Republicans can reopen the government anytime they care to and without a single Democratic vote. I'm puzzled as why anyone would think otherwise. The Democrats don't have a magical veto power over the actions of the majority Republicans.