"Report" Factually Wrong

[fskimospy]

Are you talking about me, or the OP?

I'm talking about the OP. Your posts in this thread are stupid for entirely different reasons.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Are you talking about me, or the OP?

This is a tactical error on your part.

 

[AViking]

Yes. I guarantee you that a lot fewer believe in a creationism based understanding of our world than 100 years ago. Even if you look at just religious people a lot less believe that as well. I'd say it's simply a vocal minority.

I wish that was true. I could have sworn that the numbers have remained unchanged for as long as gallup has been running the poll. I'll see if I can find how long that is...

 

[emperus]

According to the NY State Department of Health a whopping TWO out of 20 people infected during a measles outbreak were children whose parents had opted not to vaccinate. This, of course, means that 18 of the people infected WERE vaccinated.

The mainstream media still somehow blames the outbreak on a decline in vaccinations.

That quote tells you little except 2 out of 20 people infected were children whose parents opted not to vaccinate. The conclusion they derive from that is illogical, assumes a lot then incorrectly infers the conclusion from those assumptions.

The conclusion may be correct. But it doesn't logically flow from the initial statement unless there's information they left out.

 

[AViking]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

Since 1982...

Definitely not 100 years but still disturbing.

 

[brycejones]

Are you talking about me, or the OP?

If you feel the need to ask, you probably already know you are part of the problem.....

 

[Texashiker]

you probably already know you are part of the problem.....

Part of the problem because I promote vaccines?

I am just not a rabid promoter of vaccine effectiveness.

 

[thraashman]

Part of the problem because I promote vaccines?

I am just not a rabid promoter of vaccine effectiveness.

Vaccines are significantly more effective than not vaccinating. Kind of like seat belts. Is a seat belt always going to save your life, no. But is it more likely you'll survive an accident wearing a seat belt than not? Significantly.

 

[Texashiker]

Vaccines are significantly more effective than not vaccinating.

I fully agree. Vaccines are effective, and mostly safe, but there some rare side effects.

Even though the general public is vaccinated, we still need to practice good public health measures.

Over the past few decades I have seen the focus shift from hygiene. 30 years ago people stayed home of they were sick, now they go out in the public. It is as if public health and hygiene has been pushed aside.

Schools push parents for kids to attend. Parents send kids to school even if the kids are feeling bad. So I am not surprised when there are outbreaks.

 

[AViking]

I fully agree. Vaccines are effective, and mostly safe, but there some rare side effects.

Even though the general public is vaccinated, we still need to practice good public health measures.

Over the past few decades I have seen the focus shift from hygiene. 30 years ago people stayed home of they were sick, now they go out in the public. It is as if public health and hygiene has been pushed aside.

Schools push parents for kids to attend. Parents send kids to school even if the kids are feeling bad. So I am not surprised when there are outbreaks.

This is a problem with your community. Not all communities push for people to go to work or school sick. That's a stupid strategy.

For the ultimate in horrible sickness Swedes have something called the Winter Vomiting Flu. It's a cruel and unusual Norovirus that really sucks when you get it in your home. It's transmitted by contact with fluids and is pretty much the worst thing you can imagine getting outside of hemorrhagic fever. Imagine a family of 4 all shitting and vomiting at the same time. Most people don't have 4 toilets in their home. It lasts for about a week and then it's still transmittable for up to 2 days after you are feeling better. Under no circumstances is anyone here to even leave their home when they get this or for two days afterwards. It's that nasty. Sick pay covers it.

 

[Texashiker]

This is a problem with your community. Not all communities push for people to go to work or school sick. That's a stupid strategy.

It is a widespread problem here in the states.

If a child misses too much school the parents can be hauled into court and answer to a judge. The judge can issue a monetary fine to the parents for letting the kids miss too much school.

For the parents, it is easier to send the sick kid to school, then the school nurse will send the kid home. At least that way the parents can say they tried to send the kid to school.

 

[AViking]

It is a widespread problem here in the states.

If a child misses too much school the parents can be hauled into court and answer to a judge. The judge can issue a monetary fine to the parents for letting the kids miss too much school.

For the parents, it is easier to send the sick kid to school, then the school nurse will send the kid home. At least that way the parents can say they tried to send the kid to school.

Granted I haven't raised kids recently in the US but nobody made us go to school with the stomach flu or strep throat etc. Define miss too much school because we might be talking about something that is a non-issue. If someone misses 50% of their education then of course they'll be held accountable.

 

[Texashiker]

Granted I haven't raised kids recently in the US but nobody made us go to school with the stomach flu or strep throat etc. Define miss too much school because we might be talking about something that is a non-issue. If someone misses 50% of their education then of course they'll be held accountable.

I think it is 7 or 9 days of unexcused absences and the child can be held back a year.

 

[AViking]

That's just poor parenting. All they have to do is send in a note.

 

[BUnit1701]

I think it is 7 or 9 days of unexcused absences and the child can be held back a year.

That's just poor parenting. All they have to do is send in a note.

This, all it takes to become an excused absence is a note from the parents.

 

[Texashiker]

That's just poor parenting. All they have to do is send in a note.

This, all it takes to become an excused absence is a note from the parents.

I fully agree with you.

But that does not change the fact that parents are pressured by the school district to send their kids to school for as many days as possible.

 

[allisolm]

I am just not a rabid promoter of vaccine effectiveness.

In this case you ought to be.

In this case NO vaccinated children got the disease.

In this case ALL of the children who got the disease were NOT vaccinated.

In this case it looks like the vaccine was 100% effective.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

At what point do we force the thread title to be changed as it is demonstrably factually inaccurate?

 

[Texashiker]

In this case you ought to be.

In this case NO vaccinated children got the disease.

In this case ALL of the children who got the disease were NOT vaccinated.

In this case it looks like the vaccine was 100% effective.

There have been outbreaks, such as in the ultra-orthodox jewish community, where fully vaccinated children caught the measles. The vaccine did not protect the kids when there was close face-to-face contact. This is a reason why public health should be layered.

However, there is a financial incentive for the schools to get sick kids in for at least one class, and then send the sick kid home.

Schools are putting a price tag on public health.

 

[MixMasterTang]

I fully agree with you.

But that does not change the fact that parents are pressured by the school district to send their kids to school for as many days as possible.

I don't buy that 1 bit. Sick kids go to school because the parents want the free day care and not have to take off of work to stay home with a sick kid.

 

[MrPickins]

I fully agree with you.

But that does not change the fact that parents are pressured by the school district to send their kids to school for as many days as possible.

1. TH makes claim
2. TH's claim is refuted
3. TH says "Sure, but my claim is still valid."

Just another day in P&N...

 

[Iron Woode]

:whiste:

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/new-york-measles-outbreak-90-vaccinated_032014

again.

 

[MrPickins]

There have been outbreaks, such as in the ultra-orthodox jewish community, where fully vaccinated children caught the measles. The vaccine did not protect the kids when there was close face-to-face contact. This is a reason why public health should be layered.

However, there is a financial incentive for the schools to get sick kids in for at least one class, and then send the sick kid home.

Schools are putting a price tag on public health.

Do you have adult ADD?

You can't seem to focus on the discussion at hand.

 

[blankslate]

Oh wow, Glenn Beck was right.... weaponized measles... better get ready for the FEMA camps.




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[Stewox]

Discussion on this subject an vaccines - great summary again - must watch!
http://youtu.be/_FxYVKYH5lA?t=7m6s

At what point do we force the thread title to be changed as it is demonstrably factually inaccurate?

Doesn't matter, to avoid forum confusion, it's posted as news not as a analysis or report, we can see the lack of citation, but it's just one of the smaller stories so i won't put effort to search the whole NY health site, think whatever you want, and I don't even have a working PC right now (due to house renovation) so I couldn't anyway.

But it ofcourse, doesn't change any discussion in favor to the pro-vaccine crowd, because it's really such a small thing compared to the rest of it, doesn't even count.