Now that is some interesting advice. Lemme elaborate on that. I think a lot of those people that are really good in say Chemistry and/or Math have absolutely no intelligence in anything like literature or English. When I try to have an ontological talk with them they get COMPLETELY lost. I think Chemistry, Math and any of the sciences really don't prove anything besides memorization of formulas and terms. I think knowledge is something within that can be felt. I dunno, I'm rambling. I can never truly express myself on here because I know a flame is right around the corner.
Now that is some interesting advice. Lemme elaborate on that. I think a lot of those people that are really good in say Chemistry and/or Math have absolutely no intelligence in anything like literature or English. When I try to have an ontological talk with them they get COMPLETELY lost. I think Chemistry, Math and any of the sciences really don't prove anything besides memorization of formulas and terms. I think knowledge is something within that can be felt. I dunno, I'm rambling. I can never truly express myself on here because I know a flame is right around the corner.
Well, I kinda doubt many good colleges (regardless of ACT/SAT scores) would be willing to accept a slacker who only passes half of his classes. Granted there are expections to this...
On another note, it sounds like idNut has some maturing to do. If he is college bound, the attitude of only doing well in classes "because [you] really like the teacher" is gonna have to go. Hmm, out of all the professors I had in school, I could only name a few that I really enjoyed.
I can't believe you are trying to justify Ds and Fs.
I could see if he made an effort to study and learn something, but he clearly stated that he didn't even try.
You are only fooling yourself if you think you could sleepwalk through HS and not learn anything and all
of sudden you think you'll do well on the SAT or ACT.
You realize your only screwing yourself over, right? Assuming your in HS, you may still have time to turn things around. But yea, people say "oh, but they totally turned it around in college," with grades like that, no doubt you could turn things around in a COMMUNITY COLLEGE instead of the college you should be in. I once thought like you "oh its useless, why bother," and all that bullshit. Then I realized, why am I moping around? Who is it actually hurting? Guess what, all signs point to yourself. And if you think its cool all the teachers care about you in HS and everything, guess what. In college, they don't care if you pass or fail, and don't need to have anything to do with you. They get paid the same either way. Judging from your report card and seeing Chemistry, I'm assuming your in 10th or 11th grade. Hmmm...what years do colleges look at the most? Take a wild guess. No one is going to help your sorry ass out unless you help yourself too.
Sorry, but I beg to differ with that statement. I know plenty of people that excelled in both the sciences and the liberal arts. As far as the other statement, you obviously have no real clue about Math and Chemistry. Sure, you do a lot of memorization, but it's how you apply all of that to various situations and problems. Hell, if chemistry and math were just memoriazation, then practiaclaly anyone could be a brilliant chemist or mathmatician.
I'm anti-college for some reason. People (at least at my school) think that college is the only place you can become more intelligent. I go to Borders and Barnes and Noble all the time and read on anything that strikes my fancy. I'm very hesitant about college for multiple reasons and the main probably being that I don't know WTF I want to be; I'm pro self-education. I'm self-educated in a lot of things and it bothers me that people think if you don't have a college degree you're not knowledgible. I mean look at Carmack for Christ's sake!
Oh, and that thread I made a little time ago on that paper I turned in, I got a 20/20 and a whole sh!t load of comments on the side. I've stopped the "quasi-Shakspeare" and "Homeric" writing and have developed my own style which I am more pleased with.
Oh, and that thread I made a little time ago on that paper I turned in, I got a 20/20 and a whole sh!t load of comments on the side. I've stopped the "quasi-Shakspeare" and "Homeric" writing and have developed my own style which I am more pleased with.
"When I try to have an ontological talk with them they get COMPLETELY lost. I think Chemistry, Math and any of the sciences really don't prove anything besides memorization of formulas and terms. I think knowledge is something within that can be felt. I dunno, I'm rambling. I can never truly express myself on here because I know a flame is right around the corner."
A philosopher is born. The problem with high school is, it is generally made for broad exposure to different fields. We cannot, however, excel in all things. So for those who already have their focus and can't be persuaded, it could become a ground for mischieves. And then we have some cases of misdiagnosis of ADD or ADHD. Sometimes it's just the revolting of intellectually fulfilled minds wishing to break out of a system in confinement.
IdNut, be patient. You will find your way and be able to focus on what you like. Hold your will to power. You'll reach a point where what you have to offer that isn't all systematic or a settlement for what is conventional will be appreciated.
Sometimes I smile when I think of how the famous names we recognise and want to be associated with were treated growing up . . . for instant told they couldn't ever excel at school, should specialise in particular low-class fields because they were failing a science or math course. Our minds are powerful and are capable of being expanded. Just because someone hasn't exposed his or her highest potential does not mean that it does not lie hidden somewhere working to get to the ripe point and explode.
A philosopher is born. The problem with high school is, it is generally made for broad exposure to different fields. We cannot, however, excel in all things. So for those who already have their focus and can't be persuaded, it could become a ground for mischieves. And then we have some cases of misdiagnosis of ADD or ADHD. Sometimes it's just the revolting of intellectually fulfilled minds wishing to break out of a system in confinement.
IdNut, be patient. You will find your way and be able to focus on what you like. Hold your will to power. You'll reach a point where what you have to offer that isn't all systematic or a settlement for what is conventional will be appreciated.
Sometimes I smile when I think of how the famous names we recognise and want to be associated with were treated growing up . . . for instant told they couldn't ever excel at school, should specialise in particular low-class fields because they were failing a science or math course. Our minds are powerful and are capable of being expanded. Just because someone hasn't exposed his or her highest potential does not mean that it does not lie hidden somewhere working to get to the ripe point and explode.
I agree Growltiger. Sure, in Chemistry or Math HS courses, you can get by purely on memorization. Take a step into the real world pal. Apply those scientific and mathematical formulas to real-life scenarios, figuring out which goes where, what will work, whats impractical but successful, etc. Practical application is where people today make money, and what success is based on.
You could say memorization could also be used for subjects like English, memorization of spelling, grammar rules, what needs to be done to score high on certain essays, etc. But guess what, people don't write strictly by the book after HS. Some of the greatest works of all-time have broken almost every single grammar rule out there. And teachers still love to teach these works of literature. Have a quiz on the book, what is it going to be about? Sure, maybe themes and motifs and whatnot, and analyzing certain parts, but 80% of those questions are taking directly from the reading, so you could still get by perfectly fine. Yet its the people who take the techniques that are mandatory for answering the 20% of the other questions, and applying them to life that become successful.
Well, one thing I don't know if I will pass is Chemistry. I'm supposed to get a tutor but he probably won't help because I suck at dealing with people, especially one on one.
Well, your poor performance in school will severely limit any potential career opportunities you may have.
"I could see if he made an effort to study and learn something, but he clearly stated that he didn't even try.
You are only fooling yourself if you think you could sleepwalk through HS and not learn anything and all
of sudden you think you'll do well on the SAT or ACT"
There we go. A presumption is made there. The presumption is that one can never learn by himself or herself without the assistance of supposed teachers. That presumption is simply a myth in the institutional system. One can exploit that potential all by himself or herself. That's the truth. And it can take way less than a semester to learn all of what the teacher teaches.
If the teacher puts 60% load of grading on homework and projects but the student does no homework or project at all, you cannot tell that the student had excelled in the exams at the end of the semester with the grading system.
You are only fooling yourself if you think you could sleepwalk through HS and not learn anything and all
of sudden you think you'll do well on the SAT or ACT"
There we go. A presumption is made there. The presumption is that one can never learn by himself or herself without the assistance of supposed teachers. That presumption is simply a myth in the institutional system. One can exploit that potential all by himself or herself. That's the truth. And it can take way less than a semester to learn all of what the teacher teaches.
If the teacher puts 60% load of grading on homework and projects but the student does no homework or project at all, you cannot tell that the student had excelled in the exams at the end of the semester with the grading system.
Well, I have a Chemistry test tomorrow. I'll go study (FVCK) for it now so I can actually pass that course.
I just love how people take one example and use it to justify themselves when that one example is highly improbable. How many Carmack like people are out there these days? I'm sorry but times have changed, Carmack came to be in a day and age where it wasn't nearly as easy to pick up a book, start reading, and programming. You are almost nothing these days with a college education. The tech industry is vicious right now. There are plenty of other people that have degrees and certifications up the wazoo, that prove they're good enough at what they do that will get them the job every time over yourself. Why should they risk $60,000 on a kid they don't even know will come through? Not to mention your work ethic. Continue your self-education throughout college. This will help you to make yourself distinct when applying for the job.
there are two kinds of people, then there are in the inbetweens. it's got more to do with personality than "intelligence" -- if you try to avoid something b/c you are focused on something else, you are not going to be as good as somebody who loves it.
as for chem and math/sciences not proving anything besides memirzation. i agree partly ONLY under the assumption that you are referring to high school, because that is how high school math/sciences is like. there's no particularly really difficult concept and you can get by very well by working ur ass off. but the subject of math and the sciences in general do indeed require a lot of intellectual abilities
It has nothing to do with presumption, it is a fact.
My daughters are straight "A students, they are in an advanced courses, they do homework and study as soon
as they get home. They don't whine and complain about their school, they want to do well, they take a great
pride in their school work. BTW, Their test grades account for most of the grade not homework.
Your argument of not needing schools and teachers are ridiculous.
I do agree that the school system does help to foster hard work. However, I think in IdNut's case and other people's case, such is not the appropriate setting to motivate someone to "work hard". Some people only show their serious and hard working side when their potential to tap untouched resources is fostered and promoted. The educational system as it is now promotes beating the system and conforming to what is conventional without reaching out to tap the resources within and without.
lay off the guy, somebody is gotta work mcdonalds. now if everybody went to college, and got a higher education, then a college degree will be worthless. we need all types of people in every sector of the economy.
That is sad... I think if you just sat in class and paid attention, even without studying you should be able to wing a C regardless of whether or not the topic is your strength or not.
That being said, I would like to know one thing. Since you're so pro-self-education, what exactly have you taught yourself this past school year?
That being said, I would like to know one thing. Since you're so pro-self-education, what exactly have you taught yourself this past school year?
"Your argument of not needing schools and teachers are ridiculous"
Well, I'll tell you that it's absolutely an assumption. The average person does well with the help of teachers, but it is not a necessary condition. Some people are self-taught. And if you do read the history of those we exault today, you will note that they were self-taught for the most part. What teachers did was act as mentors and correspondents to keep oneself updated. Having good teachers helps those who have this potential to further exploit it and grow faster spirtually/mentally, but it's simply not a necessity. It is sufficient but not necessary.
Well, I'll tell you that it's absolutely an assumption. The average person does well with the help of teachers, but it is not a necessary condition. Some people are self-taught. And if you do read the history of those we exault today, you will note that they were self-taught for the most part. What teachers did was act as mentors and correspondents to keep oneself updated. Having good teachers helps those who have this potential to further exploit it and grow faster spirtually/mentally, but it's simply not a necessity. It is sufficient but not necessary.
I don't know about idNut's HS, but in my local HS, in the majority of classes, HW + Class participation counts for 20%, and rarely do teachers give you less then an 6-7/10 if you're quiet and stay out of trouble for participation. The other 80% combines tests, quizzes, quarter-end projects, and other misc. grades. Now with a system like that, if he does absolutely NO hw and is self-educated, he should at least end up with a 70 if he's as smart as he thinks he is. Theres a difference between being gifted and being lazy.
If idNut wants to tap these untoched resources, there are plenty of AP courses or accelerated courses he can get put into. If he really is that gifted, there are thousands of nation-wide competitions where he can be recognized and really put himself on the platform. But when it comes down to it, idNut is just a lazy kid with no ambition for life, thinking that because he may be smarter then the average joe, school serves no purpose.
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