Repeat after me: "I don't live in a police state" (UK)

[WelshBloke]

Naive faith at its finest.

I carry a locking 3" knife for utility purposes. I have never been accused (let alone convicted) of anything beyond a speeding ticket. Yet in the UK "miscellaneous utility" is not a "valid reason" because the government would be of the opinion that I'm more likely to use that evil locking knife to stab a person than a box.

So I'd be arrested for carrying a concealed "deadly weapon" because the blade happens to lock. And that makes sense to you? Oh wait... (remembers quote in sig)

You'd be fine. 3 inch folding knives are legal to carry around.

Carry on getting all dramatic about it though, its entertaining.

 

[davmat787]

There's no such thing as a felony over here AFAIK it's just a crime. There are no valid reasons for you to carry a knife.

I want criminals on a leash, fuck everyone else if thats the only way to do that.

Quoted for delusional paranoia.

One day, if/when mother nature decides it is time for your testes to drop and for you to become a man, you will look back on this period of your life with great embarrassment. Living life with your level of fear in others and inanimate objects is not healthy. That you think it is okay to just "fuck everyone else", in other words, the law abiding ones, to have criminals on a leash is frankly batshit crazy.

 

[HAL9000]

Quoted for delusional paranoia.

One day, if/when mother nature decides it is time for your testes to drop and for you to become a man, you will look back on this period of your life with great embarrassment. Living life with your level of fear in others and inanimate objects is not healthy. That you think it is okay to just "fuck everyone else", in other words, the law abiding ones, to have criminals on a leash is frankly batshit crazy.

Is there something you wanted me to respond to here?

 

[davmat787]

I suppose I don't know enough about what other deadly / dangerous weapons are out there or being used to kill people. I put a huge amount of thought into my countries laws, as this thread shows.

lol, now you are just trying to end up in someones sig. I suppose it is time to refresh some of the many sigs featuring you.

 

[HAL9000]

lol, now you are just trying to end up in someones sig. I suppose it is time to refresh some of the many sigs featuring you.

So nothing you want me to respond to? Just posts for shits and giggles?

 

[irishScott]

There's no such thing as a felony over here AFAIK it's just a crime. There are no valid reasons for you to carry a knife.



I want criminals on a leash, fuck everyone else if thats the only way to do that.

Yep. Just a scared, sheltered little child with an inferiority complex passing judgement about stuff he has no meaningful experience with. Like the 12 year old who watches Saving Private Ryan and suddenly thinks he knows what war is like and afraid to admit that he's wrong when told by actual veterans. Nothing to see here.

Thankfully I know for a fact he doesn't represent the whole of the UK in this regard.

On a related note, it's interesting how often the UK sees Americans as paranoid and scared of each other. If you look at any political debate, even among pundits, it's not that we're scared of each other, it's that we're scared of what the other side will empower the government to do. On a personal level we're fine for the most part. Brits don't even trust each other with locking knives, or at least the majority elected officials who don't.

 

[HAL9000]

Yep. Just a scared, sheltered little child with an inferiority complex passing judgement about stuff he has no meaningful experience with. Like the 12 year old who watches Saving Private Ryan and suddenly thinks he knows what war is like and afraid to admit that he's wrong when told by actual veterans. Nothing to see here.

Thankfully I know for a fact he doesn't represent the whole of the UK in this regard.

On a related note, it's interesting how often the UK sees Americans as paranoid and scared of each other. If you look at any political debate, even among pundits, it's not that we're scared of each other, it's that we're scared of what the other side will empower the government to do. On a personal level we're fine for the most part. Brits don't even trust each other with locking knives, or at least the majority elected officials who don't.

Wow. You guys are just quoting my posts for no reason now aren't you...?

 

[irishScott]

You'd be fine. 3 inch folding knives are legal to carry around.

Carry on getting all dramatic about it though, its entertaining.

Not locking ones. You can only have slip-joint locks, which tend to be significantly weaker. I couldn't even carry my Boy Scout lockback.

Spyderco actually makes a very strong (but still relatively weaker) slip-joint knife specifically for the UK market because of this.

 

[irishScott]

Wow. You guys are just quoting my posts for no reason now aren't you...?

You're responding for no coherent reason. I'm invalidating your argument by pointing out that you're a child while providing my own philosophy.

 

[Howard]

It makes perfect sense to me. You shouldnt carry a deadly weapon if you have no valid reason for doing so. For shits a giggles isnt a valid reason.

I'm totally cool with you believing this as long as you also don't believe that your country is a free country.

 

[schneiderguy]

You'd be fine. 3 inch folding knives are legal to carry around.

Carry on getting all dramatic about it though, its entertaining.

You can't carry a locking knife in the UK.

That's why Spyderco makes a line of non locking folders called the "UK Pen Knife" (because they're legal in the UK)

Nice looking blade in carbon fiber scales :thumbsup:

 

[davmat787]

Wow. You guys are just quoting my posts for no reason now aren't you...?

Don't be so damn obtuse. We were replying to your comment, not every post is a question for your opinion.

 

[HAL9000]

You're responding for no coherent reason. I'm invalidating your argument by pointing out that you're a child while providing my own philosophy.

So your attempting to invalidate my argument by claiming that I'm under 18? Without making any statements about my argument.

I'm totally cool with you believing this as long as you also don't believe that your country is a free country.

It is a free country, it's one of the most free.

 

[HAL9000]

Don't be so damn obtuse. We were replying to your comment, not every post is a question for your opinion.

OK fair enough.

 

[irishScott]

So your attempting to invalidate my argument by claiming that I'm under 18? Without making any statements about my argument.



It is a free country, it's one of the most free.

No, I'm calling you a child mentally. Your physical age is irrelevant. The fact that you didn't catch that also proves my point.

And I'm not getting into the freedom dick-waving debate. Fact is I can do more in the US, with no harm to anyone, than I can do in Britain.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

You can't carry a locking knife in the UK.

That's why Spyderco makes a line of non locking folders called the "UK Pen Knife" (because they're legal in the UK)


Nice looking blade in carbon fiber scales :thumbsup:

Seriously? A non-locking knife is much, much more dangerous than a locking blade. You can easily cut your fingers off with it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Not locking ones. You can only have slip-joint locks, which tend to be significantly weaker. I couldn't even carry my Boy Scout lockback.

Spyderco actually makes a very strong (but still relatively weaker) slip-joint knife specifically for the UK market because of this.

AFAIK lock knives are fine, automatic knives aren't.

At least I've never had a problem with mine.

 

[HAL9000]

No, I'm calling you a child mentally. Your physical age is irrelevant. The fact that you didn't catch that also proves my point.

And I'm not getting into the freedom dick-waving debate. Fact is I can do more in the US, with no harm to anyone, than I can do in Britain.

OK. You insulting me doesn't disprove my argument. Or nullify my point.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Absolutely I do. because if law abiding citizens start carrying knives to defend themselves against knives, then the criminals get pistols, then we get pistols, then the criminals get SMG's.... and so on, and so on and so on.

Really? That's your excuse? Law abiding citizens should just carry the next level of weapon down from criminals so that the criminals don't get bigger weapons? My impression was that these ridiculous knife/gun laws were to prevent criminals from getting weapons. Are you telling me that the rationale is that if law-abiding citizens get weapons to defend themselves, then criminals will get better weapons and it will be chaos?

 

[irishScott]

OK. You insulting me doesn't disprove my argument. Or nullify my point.

Pointing out that you're an scared inexperienced child who doesn't know what he's talking about does.

 

[HAL9000]

Really? That's your excuse? Law abiding citizens should just carry the next level of weapon down from criminals so that the criminals don't get bigger weapons? My impression was that these ridiculous knife/gun laws were to prevent criminals from getting weapons. Are you telling me that the rationale is that if law-abiding citizens get weapons to defend themselves, then criminals will get better weapons and it will be chaos?

That's a very important part of it, but with gun laws it's definitely to stop people getting hold of them in the first place, knife laws are not so much about that as the knives are legal to own.

 

[Howard]

It is a free country, it's one of the most free.

If it's so free, why can't you walk around with a big knife? Even a fake big knife?

 

[HAL9000]

If it's so free, why can't you walk around with a big knife? Even a fake big knife?

You can walk around with a big fake knife.

It's so free you can walk down the street knowing that no law abiding citizens around you is carrying a knife or gun.

 

[irishScott]

AFAIK lock knives are fine, automatic knives aren't.

At least I've never had a problem with mine.

http://www.goxplore.net/guides/Knife_law_(UK)

A Crown Court case (Harris v DPP), ruled (case law). A lock knife for all legal purposes, is the same as a fixed blade knife. A folding pocket knife must be readily foldable at all times. If it has a mechanism that prevents folding, it's a lock knife (or for legal purposes, a fixed blade) The Court of Appeal (REGINA - v - DESMOND GARCIA DEEGAN 1998) upheld the Harris ruling stating that "folding was held to mean non-locking". No leave to appeal was granted.

 

[irishScott]

You can walk around with a big fake knife.

It's so free you can walk down the street knowing that no law abiding citizens around you is carrying a knife or gun.

And here we're so free we can walk down most streets knowing that anyone may be carrying a knife, gun or both and feel perfectly safe regardless.