Removing powersteering pump belt-->cause damage to rack? Yea or Nay?

[PhoKingGuy]

omg you're a moron..

Efficient and using a little amount are NOT THE SAME YOU MORON!

A semi-truck is QUITE EFFICIENT despite its 3-7mpg fuel consumption. Why? Because they can move 40 tons worth of shit! A moped on the other hand, while has a minute amount of consumption in comparison, is NOT efficient.

80mpg is better but for what you get, it's not... You can get 100mpg out of a Prius if you drive it correctly, therefore making the purchase of a moped seem retarded.

The difference being any random shithead can get on a moped and get 80 mpg. You have to be an asshole and drive a prius to annoy everyone sharing the road with you to get 100mpg with it.

 

[exdeath]

The difference being any random shithead can get on a moped and get 80 mpg. You have to be an asshole and drive a prius to annoy everyone sharing the road with you to get 100mpg with it.

This.

These idiots driving 40 MPH on the freeway are actually wasting fuel by pissing everyone else off. I probably get 3 MPG when I go WOT and pass them. If they were doing at least the speed limit, I could be getting around 25 MPG.

 

[fleabag]

This.

These idiots driving 40 MPH on the freeway are actually wasting fuel by pissing everyone else off. I probably get 3 MPG when I go WOT and pass them. If they were doing at least the speed limit, I could be getting around 25 MPG.

Unlikely.. You probably get 4-8mpg for about 3 seconds depending on if you downshift or not. But it's hard to say because you're already moving pretty quickly. Also while you think it's assholeish to drive slowly, I think driving a two stroke is far more assholeish. Also it isn't my responsibility to keep you happy and since you're the kind of person prone to being a shit head when you don't get your way, you're likely to find another excuse to do the same crap but different time. You're saving little if any time with such behavior especially in a city environment. I always find myself shaking my head at people who accelerate to a RED LIGHT. EXPLAIN THAT!! That's right, because somehow getting to the red light as quickly as possible is somehow going to get you to your destination..moron.

 

[Meghan54]

...another thread with a generous pelting of abuse but hey, he's still posting!!.

Well, he has a habit of bringing the abuse on himself with his inane comments.....consider this very short list of some of my favorite fleabag quotes:

--As for those stupid korean engineers, first off is their primary goal max fuel economy?
I'm pretty sure I know more than them about that.


--You wouldn't find it strange for a woman to make a move on you? If a Woman does that, then she's probably the dominant type, making you her cream puff.


--Yes you may work in a tire shop but that doesn't mean you've necessarily seen more tires than me.
(Speaking directly to allanon1965 who is an ASE Certified Master Automotive Technician since 1990, including having worked 10 years for goodyear, 3 more at firestone and the rest in dealers and independent shops.)


--nice try but being a "computer science major" isn't going to cut it here... You know nothing about cars or computers but you do seem to know about being a troll.


--these same tires can be inflated to 300-600psi with the rim failing before the tire, you should quickly realize that 50psi is not the upper limit for these tires, but more like in the 800psi range.


--before the invention of the differential, all cars were 1 wheel drive.


--My main goal is to have a car that averages 50mpg when commuting to my gym. Once I achieve that goal, I'll be able to start going to the gym again..


--...its (sic) suppose (sic) to improve fuel consumption at idle which is a bit high for my liking.. (on why he wants to remove his power steering pump..)


--You can't lug a modern (last 20 years) fuel injected car.


--Disconnecting and reconnecting the battery will NOT I repeat, will NOT reset a check engine light especially on an OBD-II car.


--I'm probably one of the few who actually remembers the launch of XP
(This was posted 12/09 and he couldn't have been more than 8 years old at the time of XP's release....)

See what I mean?

 

[exdeath]

I always find myself shaking my head at people who accelerate to a RED LIGHT. EXPLAIN THAT!! That's right, because somehow getting to the red light as quickly as possible is somehow going to get you to your destination..moron.

The majority of people who do that are just retarded.

A few of them do it justifiably when they don't want to be behind someone going 20 under again when the light changes, and will race around the slow car when they have the chance, even when the light is red.

If I'm stuck behind a rolling blockade, and one of them turns, I will accelerate to take the opening before one of the other slow cars does, even if there is a red light ahead, lest I remain stuck behind them indefinitely AFTER the light. I like to be able to cruise and coast and maintain at least the speed limit without having to ride my brakes and downshift every 15 seconds because someone in front of me is trying to get 100 MPG. And can't steer the car with a disconnected power steering rack or has to stop 10,000 feet in advance because they are running 100 psi in their pizza cutter width tires.

 

[jlee]

This.

These idiots driving 40 MPH on the freeway are actually wasting fuel by pissing everyone else off. I probably get 3 MPG when I go WOT and pass them. If they were doing at least the speed limit, I could be getting around 25 MPG.

lmao, so I'm not the only one.

Unlikely.. You probably get 4-8mpg for about 3 seconds depending on if you downshift or not. But it's hard to say because you're already moving pretty quickly. Also while you think it's assholeish to drive slowly, I think driving a two stroke is far more assholeish. Also it isn't my responsibility to keep you happy and since you're the kind of person prone to being a shit head when you don't get your way, you're likely to find another excuse to do the same crap but different time. You're saving little if any time with such behavior especially in a city environment. I always find myself shaking my head at people who accelerate to a RED LIGHT. EXPLAIN THAT!! That's right, because somehow getting to the red light as quickly as possible is somehow going to get you to your destination..moron.

8mpg at WOT? Maybe your car...not mine, nor his.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

The majority of people who do that are just retarded.

A few of them do it when they don't want to be behind someone going 20 under again when the light changes, and will race around the slow car when they have the chance, even when the light is red.

The one nice thing about living in south OC is that the lights down here are timed PERFECTLY if you just coast at the speed limit in between lights, you rarely have to wait very long, if at all. The problem with coasting at 20 is that everyone knows this and will fly around you and cut you off unless you keep up with the speed of traffic. I usually coast, but not as well as I could.

I hate the people that just go 15-20 with their engine off coasting to the reds, thats f'n annoying

 

[PhoKingGuy]

Unlikely.. You probably get 4-8mpg for about 3 seconds depending on if you downshift or not. But it's hard to say because you're already moving pretty quickly. Also while you think it's assholeish to drive slowly, I think driving a two stroke is far more assholeish. Also it isn't my responsibility to keep you happy and since you're the kind of person prone to being a shit head when you don't get your way, you're likely to find another excuse to do the same crap but different time. You're saving little if any time with such behavior especially in a city environment. I always find myself shaking my head at people who accelerate to a RED LIGHT. EXPLAIN THAT!! That's right, because somehow getting to the red light as quickly as possible is somehow going to get you to your destination..moron.

My GTI got like 10mpg at WOT, i severely doubt his stang would get 8

 

[jeanclaude]

You'd get better fuel mileage by stripping out all non-essential interior parts. Back seat, passenger seat, radio, air conditioning, carpet, sound deadening, console, trim, accessories, etc.
The weight reduction would be far more beneficial if your true goal is to get the best mileage that you can.

Excellent idea. Fleabag could go one step further and take a big dump before he gets into his car. That would further lighten the load and increase his mileage but it would also have the adverse effect of flushing away some of his best technical ideas (and presumably insights and comments) on cars and computing etc. before they can be shared with the rest of us.

 

[Zenmervolt]

My GTI got like 10mpg at WOT, i severely doubt his stang would get 8

My Volvo (2.3 litre 5-cylinder turbo) gets about 4 mpg at WOT according to the computer. I'd be absolutely shocked if the supercharged V8 in exdeath's car did much differently. Positive manifold pressure is extremely good at sucking down the ol' dinosaur remains.

As far as why we sometimes stand on it between lights, well, that's because it's fun.

ZV

 

[DivideBYZero]

Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

 

[exar333]

I wish Fleabag was more like the old show "Punk'd". We could just say "I was Fleabagged!", everyone would have a laugh, and then he would be gone from the thread forever.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

I know, I don't even remember Casio being slammed like this, another thread with a generous pelting of abuse but hey, he's still posting!!.

and so did casio until he got permabanned...

 

[sonoma1993]

where the poll option fleabag is fuckin dumbass
leave the power steering system for the safety of other drivers on the road. i don't want to be in a car accident. Due to some dumbass that disconnected the power steering system and can't control the car to gain .001 mpg on their car.

 

[fleabag]

where the poll option fleabag is fuckin dumbass
leave the power steering system for the safety of other drivers on the road. i don't want to be in a car accident. Due to some dumbass that disconnected the power steering system and can't control the car to gain .001 mpg on their car.

You have no idea what you're talking about and you know why? Because when a vehicle is moving, you don't need power steering ESPECIALLY with a car that weighs less than 2 tons. Don't believe me? Go to an empty parking lot, get up to 10 mph, key off the engine and key it back to "II" or "on" so that the electronics are working, the wheel isn't locked up but the engine is off. Then try steering and try with a straight face say to me that it's "too difficult" to steer. If you can't steer a vehicle in this circumstance, then you've probably got arms the size of twigs.

Powersteering is necessary under the following circumstances:
HEAVY ASS VEHICLE, like 3 tons, anything less should be fairly manageable to turn while stationary and definitely doable while moving.
Making parking easier so that there is less force on the steering wheel when turning the wheels while stationary.

Yes I am aware that powersteering racks have a lower ratio compared to non powersteering racks but given my fair share of experience with parking somewhat heavy vehicles with the powersteering disabled (engine is off), I can say with confidence that it is not all that difficult unless you're elderly....which then means you probably shouldn't be driving anyhow.

Oh and btw why the f would "luxury" car companies have variable powersteering assist unless they knew there is no need for assist while you're moving? Huh smartass? You don't need powersteering if you're doing all highway, EVER. It's there for assisting the turning of the damn wheels when you're parallel parking or stationary. A task that is too difficult for when most people prefer to drive while half asleep and therefore don't have the energy to turn a non power assisted steering wheel.

 

[x-alki]

but given my fair share of experience with parking somewhat heavy vehicles with the powersteering disabled (engine is off), I can say with confidence that it is not all that difficult.

Was this at Lake Tahoe in the winter?

For the other crap you sprouted, you are full of shit.

 

[CrackRabbit]

You have no idea what you're talking about and you know why? Because when a vehicle is moving, you don't need power steering ESPECIALLY with a car that weighs less than 2 tons. Don't believe me? Go to an empty parking lot, get up to 10 mph, key off the engine and key it back to "II" or "on" so that the electronics are working, the wheel isn't locked up but the engine is off. Then try steering and try with a straight face say to me that it's "too difficult" to steer. If you can't steer a vehicle in this circumstance, then you've probably got arms the size of twigs.

Powersteering is necessary under the following circumstances:
HEAVY ASS VEHICLE, like 3 tons, anything less should be fairly manageable to turn while stationary and definitely doable while moving.
Making parking easier so that there is less force on the steering wheel when turning the wheels while stationary.

Yes I am aware that powersteering racks have a lower ratio compared to non powersteering racks but given my fair share of experience with parking somewhat heavy vehicles with the powersteering disabled (engine is off), I can say with confidence that it is not all that difficult unless you're elderly....which then means you probably shouldn't be driving anyhow.

Oh and btw why the f would "luxury" car companies have variable powersteering assist unless they knew there is no need for assist while you're moving? Huh smartass? You don't need powersteering if you're doing all highway, EVER. It's there for assisting the turning of the damn wheels when you're parallel parking or stationary. A task that is too difficult for when most people prefer to drive while half asleep and therefore don't have the energy to turn a non power assisted steering wheel.

You know you might have a point if every road in the world was a straight line with no curves and no need to pass and no imperfections in the road. Disabling the power assist intentionally is simply asking for trouble.
I lost power steering once in an old Chrysler I had, sure the car was driveable but the car was MUCH LESS responsive to my input. To the point where it was dangerous if I had kept driving it even going in a straight line.

The long and the short of it is you are an idiot. You have proven that over and over again.
If you want to fuck your car up so that it impossible to drive for the sake of a fraction of a mile per gallon increase fine, be my guest.
BUT PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT IT!
STOP POSTING IN GENERAL!
THIS FORUM WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT YOU POSTING IN IT!

Do I need to make myself any clearer?

 

[Meghan54]

The long and the short of it is you are an idiot. You have proven that over and over again.
If you want to fuck your car up so that it impossible to drive for the sake of a fraction of a mile per gallon increase fine, be my guest.
BUT PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT IT!
STOP POSTING IN GENERAL!
THIS FORUM WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT YOU POSTING IN IT!

Do I need to make myself any clearer?

We all know this about him, but your pleas, along with everyone else's, falls on deaf ears, if not a head so full of himself it may as well be stuffed with concrete.

The irony is that in five years or so he'll finally go into and get through puberty, grow up and possibly realize he knows very little in reality and will maybe then recognize what an ass he made of himself.

But, unfortunately, he knows everything about anything, and no amount of experience, facts, or insight imparted to him by others will ever make any difference to him right now.

He's just got to get over being a teenager, get through the know-it-all stage he's in right now, and maybe mature.....probably a pipe dream, but it can happen.

Until then, I think one would have a better chance of teaching a sack of hair something than teach fleabag anything.

I'm surprised he doesn't post how he continually has to "teach" and correct his 10th grade teachers about all the subjects they teach. I imagine he's just as insufferable at school as he is here.....maybe even more so.

And considering his a warped view about women......I mean girls---he doesn't have a clue about real women or how to socialize/interact with them---I'd almost think it's not much of a stretch to believe he's never talked to a girl, much less done anything else with one.

Teenagers.....no wonder so many hate them, if fleabag is any example of the current crop of them.

Hell, I'd even go as far as say fleabag is laughed at by even the most ostracized cliques in school, including the emo crowd.

 

[BUTCH1]

Uh.. yeah that would be the pump; it's still a high pressure hydraulic system and still needs a pressure pump. The difference is that it's not running all the time and bypassing when it's not needed; the electric pump just starts and stops instantly as needed.

That depends on the system, in some there is still a pump but mine doesn't have one at all, the electric motor is assists right at the steering shaft..

 

[jhu]

BUT PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT IT!
STOP POSTING IN GENERAL!
THIS FORUM WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT YOU POSTING IN IT!

Do I need to make myself any clearer?

It's amusing how everyone gets their panties bunched up over fleabag. If they bug you so much, don't respond. Personally, I think fleabag's posts and the responses he generates are pretty entertaining.

 

[CrackRabbit]

It's amusing how everyone gets their panties bunched up over fleabag. If they bug you so much, don't respond. Personally, I think fleabag's posts and the responses he generates are pretty entertaining.

Normally I feel the same way, but fleabag has taken it to an entirely new level.
His posts clog this otherwise useful forum with stupid ridiculous crap such as his OP.
If this were OT I would simply be content to let him pile the abuse on himself but there are actual gear heads and amateur gear heads here that give out good advice for the good of all the posters here.
I just wish a moderator would give him the cock-punching/reality check he so desperately needs.

 

[halik]

Bad idea in general. Manual racks have straight cut pinion gears, power racks have helical gears.

Power racks and pinions aren't designed to have the full force of turning the wheels applied via the helical pinion. You're risking catastrophic failure.

 

[fleabag]

Normally I feel the same way, but fleabag has taken it to an entirely new level.
His posts clog this otherwise useful forum with stupid ridiculous crap such as his OP.
If this were OT I would simply be content to let him pile the abuse on himself but there are actual gear heads and amateur gear heads here that give out good advice for the good of all the posters here.
I just wish a moderator would give him the cock-punching/reality check he so desperately needs.

How about you just admit that you like to jump on the failwagon. It's not that I'm saying anything that's incorrect, you'll find something to disagree with, seriously. I could say, don't drink drano and then I'll hear all these counter arguments about how much of a fool I am and how drano in small quantities is perfectly safe.

 

[fleabag]

Bad idea in general. Manual racks have straight cut pinion gears, power racks have helical gears.

Power racks and pinions aren't designed to have the full force of turning the wheels applied via the helical pinion. You're risking catastrophic failure.

hmm interesting. Are you sure that's true in all cases? Would the service manual show this? How does having helical cut gears affect the steering rack if the assist isn't on? Rear differential of RWD cars have helical cut gears and those aren't power assisted and can move forwards and backwards.

 

[exdeath]

That depends on the system, in some there is still a pump but mine doesn't have one at all, the electric motor is assists right at the steering shaft..

As in mechanical linkage from the motor with no hydraulics? Didn't know they made them like that, that's kinda cool.