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UglyCasanova said:
Does his base want a wall?
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For Trump, base pandering is obviously more important than operating the govt on the money Congress provides or even heeding the desires of the majority.

Anybody who thinks he's acting in the interests of the Nation isn't thinking. Anybody who says so is probably lying.
 
It seems that cheeto would have signed that short term budget before coulter and limbaugh started yammering at him.

Here's an interesting video from CNN with repub congressman Ryan Costello on Ana Cabrera's show yesterday.
I saw it last night on CNN. Here's the story link and the You Tube video.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/watch-gop-congressman-unloads-trump-toddler-logic-shutdown/

Watch at the 4:45 mark, where Ana Cabrera asks Rep Costello if trump cares more what media types like coulter/limbaigh think,
over his own policy advisors.
(long pause) then he says:
Yes

<mic drop>

 
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UglyCasanova said:
I agree, but that’s not why the left seems to be against it. Nancy isn’t on tv saying no to the wall because of it being ineffective and here’s a better idea.
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LOL, are you serious?? Remind me again, why were Republicans so hell-bent against an Obamacare plan that was designed around their ideas? It's been 8+ years and we're still waiting for their "better idea".
 
UglyCasanova said:
The Repubiclans won’t capitulate because their constituents want the wall. The actual powers that be don’t want it, but the R voters sure as hell do. My question throughout the thread has always been why would the Dems dig in their heels to prevent a border wall. Why this. "It’s a waste of money" doesn’t seem like an adequate answer tbh.
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Democratic voters sure as hell don’t want the wall. America as a whole doesn’t want the wall. If Republicans want to die on this hill then that’s their business I guess.

For Democrats they are just responding to their voters and it’s good politics for them as well as good governance. They are digging in their heels because it’s a win for them in every way.

Again, I’m struggling to figure out why you think Democrats should give Republicans what they want simply because republicans won’t capitulate. That’s all the more reason to remind them who just won an election.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Well...54%. I guess you could say America as a slightly more than a half doesn’t want the wall.
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An eight point margin in America today is pretty large. Again, why would Democrats help Republicans enact unpopular policies just because the Republican base wants it?

It makes perfect sense. Republicans have made a serious error here and if they are smart Democrats will let them twist in the wind until they give up.
 
43% of America wanting something is pretty popular. I certainly can’t speak for them but I’d imagine the right has things that they think the left is wrong on. Should they refuse to work across the aisle? Because to them they’re right, so why should they.
 
UglyCasanova said:
43% of America wanting something is pretty popular. I certainly can’t speak for them but I’d imagine the right has things that they think the left is wrong on. Should they refuse to work across the aisle? Because to them they’re right, so why should they.
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I’m baffled as to why you keep describing something that Americans oppose by a significant margin as ‘pretty popular’. It is not, it is unpopular.

If the right is interested in offering a compromise for wall funding they should offer it. How about legalizing the Dreamers? How about massively increasing legal immigration? Remember they are asking Democrats to enact unpopular policies so they are going to need to offer a lot.
 
Would love to legalize dreamers, and wish the Rep would propose that. Would love immigration reform. Would love not just Dreamers but amnesty and citizenship to all illegal immigrants (who haven’t committed a crime other than their current status), that’s the only solution.

And yes 43% is pretty damned popular
 
UglyCasanova said:
Would love to legalize dreamers, and wish the Rep would propose that. Would love immigration reform. Would love not just Dreamers but amnesty and citizenship to all illegal immigrants (who haven’t committed a crime other than their current status), that’s the only solution.
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I agree! If republicans really want their wall then they will start offering those things. They won’t get anywhere by just making demands.

And yes 43% is pretty damned popular
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Something a significant majority of people do not like is not popular by any definition of the word. It is in fact the exact opposite, it is unpopular.
 
UglyCasanova said:
43% of America wanting something is pretty popular. I certainly can’t speak for them but I’d imagine the right has things that they think the left is wrong on. Should they refuse to work across the aisle? Because to them they’re right, so why should they.
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And only 34% or so, from your earlier link, believe the govt should be shut down if the Wall doesn't get funded. That's nearly 2:1 against but Trump doesn't care. He owns this shutdown. It's not like he's winning any votes, either.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Would love to legalize dreamers, and wish the Rep would propose that. Would love immigration reform. Would love not just Dreamers but amnesty and citizenship to all illegal immigrants (who haven’t committed a crime other than their current status), that’s the only solution.

And yes 43% is pretty damned popular
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Have you suffered a concussion? You seem to be having short term memory issues as this has already been covered.
 
UglyCasanova said:
People don’t vote, that doesn’t mean they don’t hold political opinions. If you think that 28% of electorate are the only ones supporting the ideas you’re misguided. I have no idea if half the country is for it or not, but it’s certainly more than pool of people who actually casts a vote. In any case, still a large segment. Hell 28% of eligible voters is a large segment.
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I get that it's really tough to backpedal when your tires are so flat, but damn this is pathetic. Even for you.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Not sure why facts even matter at this point. A sizable part of the country wants a wall. They’re wrong about it solving their problems but they want it, and in the scheme of things for governmental size the cost ain’t gonna break us either. Hell, think of it as shovel ready stimulus. So now the question why is the left willing to dig their heels and shut down the government over it?
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"I want something! Better give it to me! Who cares if I don't need it or it's bad!"

Do you fucking listen to yourself?
 
ch33zw1z said:
TIL popular now means less that half. Guess Trump wins the popular vote, well done
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Used in the context not meaning shared by most but rather is something popular, not in the context of votes. A band doesn’t have to be liked by 51% of America to be considered popular for instance.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Used in the context not meaning shared by most but rather is something popular, not in the context of votes. A band doesn’t have to be liked by 51% of America to be considered popular for instance.
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What you're saying is that it's popular among conservatives, but not with American's overall, because Conservatives are not the majority.
 
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