Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[UNCjigga]

The memo supposedly implicated some of these straight arrow FBI types so maybe, just maybe, they might not be telling the whole truth?

I'm confused. Why do you think the "FBI types" will be implicated by this memo?

- This 4 page memo is based on a 40-page FISA renewal warrant. Carter Page was the subject of the warrant...and this was maybe the 3rd or 4th renewal (post election.)
- The FISA Court judge granted the renewal
- The FISA warrant refers to underlying Intelligence (probably gathered from previous intercepts of Mr. Page from the 2-3 previous FISA warrants, or other contacts FBI aware of.)
- The entire Nunes memo is based on the FISA warrant. From what we know so far, Nunes has not seen the underlying intelligence...he only knows what's documented in the warrant itself and that was the basis for this memo.

Now...how exactly does the FBI get implicated based on this warrant? Was Carter Page an FBI agent? Was Mr. Page working with an FBI agent or double-agent in Moscow? Why would the judge grant a renewal if the FBI were admitting to any improper procedure or whatever in the warrant?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Because

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...e-based-on-tainted-evidence-linked-to-clinton

The GOP's arguments that the FBI investigated on flimsy evidence will zero in on ex-British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose unverified dossier of Trump allegations gave enormous momentum to the probe during the bitterly fought 2016 presidential election, say sources familiar with the memo.

They will argue the FBI failed to critically assess the political motives and credibility of Steele and did not fully disclose that evidence came from Clinton supporters as it sought to get permission from courts for surveillance warrants.

“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.

“The FBI allowed itself to be used by Clinton partisans to parlay single-sourced, mostly unverified evidence into a counterintelligence probe with clear weaknesses that weren’t disclosed,” the source added.

 

[TheVrolok]

Because

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...e-based-on-tainted-evidence-linked-to-clinton

The GOP's arguments that the FBI investigated on flimsy evidence will zero in on ex-British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose unverified dossier of Trump allegations gave enormous momentum to the probe during the bitterly fought 2016 presidential election, say sources familiar with the memo.

They will argue the FBI failed to critically assess the political motives and credibility of Steele and did not fully disclose that evidence came from Clinton supporters as it sought to get permission from courts for surveillance warrants.

“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.

“The FBI allowed itself to be used by Clinton partisans to parlay single-sourced, mostly unverified evidence into a counterintelligence probe with clear weaknesses that weren’t disclosed,” the source added.

Really? Direct quotes from Republicans?

 

[ivwshane]

Because

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...e-based-on-tainted-evidence-linked-to-clinton

The GOP's arguments that the FBI investigated on flimsy evidence will zero in on ex-British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose unverified dossier of Trump allegations gave enormous momentum to the probe during the bitterly fought 2016 presidential election, say sources familiar with the memo.

They will argue the FBI failed to critically assess the political motives and credibility of Steele and did not fully disclose that evidence came from Clinton supporters as it sought to get permission from courts for surveillance warrants.

“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.

“The FBI allowed itself to be used by Clinton partisans to parlay single-sourced, mostly unverified evidence into a counterintelligence probe with clear weaknesses that weren’t disclosed,” the source added.

So what you are saying is that the FISA judge was also complicit in approving the warrant because they should have recognized how flimsy the evidence presented was?

So how many bad actors are we up to now anyway?


Gotta love conspiracy theorists. When the facts don't support your conspiracy, simply expand the scope of the conspiracy.

 

[ivwshane]

Really? Direct quotes from Republicans?

"inner circle" but I thought Carter page was a nobody in the trump campaign?

Lol

 

[UNCjigga]

Carter Page had already made contact with a Russian spy ring in 2013. Earlier in 2016 he'd already made a trip to Moscow that put him on FBI radar...again. This reauthorization request in September/October (or again after the election...not clear which this memo refers to) had plenty of other evidence besides the Steele Dossier.

It could be that everyone has it wrong and there is some other bombshell in the memo that the GOP wants out there. We will see.

 

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“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.

That person belongs in jail if you ask me. By the numbers, the information in the memo accounts to 4 out of 40 pages, and this was a renewal warrant for someone under surveillances well before the dossier. I'm happy to get my pitchforks out against those trying to discredit the investigation.

 

[UglyCasanova]

From editor-in-chief at The Hill

 

[VRAMdemon]

Lil' Donny accidentally admits that McCabe was fired, twice, within the span of one tweet..Lol!

 

[fskimospy]

From editor-in-chief at The Hill

What would be wrong with that? Do you know how warrants work?

 

[UglyCasanova]

I can guess how politically based warrants that weaponize our government agenciencies could work I suppose.

Onion sums it up in some satire

 

[zinfamous]

There will be notes in the margins, suspiciously scribbled in crayon and smeared with what appears to be grease drippings.

"Hilary Did it!"
"Emails held in or secret safe! access key on page 10!"
"Urniam found in Clinton bunkur!"

etc

 

[UglyCasanova]

There will be notes in the margins, suspiciously scribbled in crayon and smeared with what appears to be grease drippings.

"Hilary Did it!"
"Emails held in or secret safe! access key on page 10!"
"Urniam found in Clinton bunkur!"

etc

Hyuck

 

[zinfamous]

The memo supposedly implicated some of these straight arrow FBI types so maybe, just maybe, they might not be telling the whole truth?

right. because Nunes deserves anyone's trust. You realize that not liking your criminal targets is a legitimate form of bias in law enforcement, right?

 

[VRAMdemon]

That way of thinking is far too subtle and nuanced for Trump. Mark my words. He'll release the memo.

Perhaps, I'm inclined to agree. Or..He's waiting to see if he'll get away with it. He could also come out with a statement deploring revealing secret methods, and therefore, even though the memo totally and positivly proves his absolute and utter innocence....he cannot release it, that would be wrong. You'll just have to take his executive proclamation that it is a complete exoneration. Then the damage is already done with the FBI and intelligence committee being smeared and discredited in his followers hearts and minds.

 

[fskimospy]

I can guess how politically based warrants that weaponize our government agenciencies could work I suppose.

Onion sums it up in some satire

I’m confused. Are you saying that sources biased against the target of surveillance can’t or shouldn’t be used in warrant applications? Is this a joke?

Again, do you know how warrants work? When you have whistleblowers or mob informants or whoever else, do you think they are generally giving this information out of a sense of civic duty (lol) or do you think they are often biased against the target? This is why a judge is involved, so assess their credibility. It’s literally the whole point.

I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

 

[zinfamous]

Because

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...e-based-on-tainted-evidence-linked-to-clinton

The GOP's arguments that the FBI investigated on flimsy evidence will zero in on ex-British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose unverified dossier of Trump allegations gave enormous momentum to the probe during the bitterly fought 2016 presidential election, say sources familiar with the memo.

They will argue the FBI failed to critically assess the political motives and credibility of Steele and did not fully disclose that evidence came from Clinton supporters as it sought to get permission from courts for surveillance warrants.

“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.

“The FBI allowed itself to be used by Clinton partisans to parlay single-sourced, mostly unverified evidence into a counterintelligence probe with clear weaknesses that weren’t disclosed,” the source added.

so, accusations of Republicans undermining the FBI for expressly political purposes because they are shitting their pants that they are being zeroed in over their criminal money laundering activity, by releasing this "memo"....remain accurate?

thanks.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Assange gets it

 

[zinfamous]

I can guess how politically based warrants that weaponize our government agenciencies could work I suppose.

Onion sums it up in some satire

see, that's legit funny. Post that in the funny thread as an example for humorless conservatives, please.

 

[mikeymikec]

Isn't it a little odd that the GOP would look at Trump firing Comey (even after he admitted firing Comey because of the Russia investigation), apparently decide there's nothing wrong with that, then they green-light the appointment of Mueller as Special Counsel so that the Russia investigation can continue, then after that, they decide that the Russia investigation is a Democrat plot to smear Trump.

So what's the agreed-upon logic here, Trump supporters? Did the GOP not bother to look into Trump's stated motivation for firing Comey (the Russia investigation), the merit and basis of the Russia investigation in general, then the appointment of Mueller for the Russia investigation, then after the arrests come, they say "you know what? This looks like a Democrat-fuelled smear campaign!"?

Or perhaps the GOP did look into Trump's stated reason for firing Comey and said that's fine (presumably "nothingburger"?), then they agreed that a Special Counsel really needs to be appointed to look into said nothingburger, then after the arrests come, they say "you know what? This looks like a Democrat-fuelled smear campaign!"?

 

[zinfamous]

Assange gets it

wow. Russian agent Assange. You align yourself with some shady characters there.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I’m confused. Are you saying that sources biased against the target of surveillance can’t or shouldn’t be used in warrant applications? Is this a joke?

Again, do you know how warrants work? When you have whistleblowers or mob informants or whoever else, do you think they are generally giving this information out of a sense of civic duty (lol) or do you think they are often biased against the target? This is why a judge is involved, so assess their credibility. It’s literally the whole point.

I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

Read through The Hill article I posted above, I don’t think you’ve thought this through.


The GOP's arguments that the FBI investigated on flimsy evidence will zero in on ex-British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose unverified dossier of Trump allegations gave enormous momentum to the probe during the bitterly fought 2016 presidential election, say sources familiar with the memo.

They will argue the FBI failed to critically assess the political motives and credibility of Steele and did not fully disclose that evidence came from Clinton supporters as it sought to get permission from courts for surveillance warrants.

“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.

“The FBI allowed itself to be used by Clinton partisans to parlay single-sourced, mostly unverified evidence into a counterintelligence probe with clear weaknesses that weren’t disclosed,” the source added.

 

[fskimospy]

Assange gets it

Lol. That’s pretty hilarious. Are you trying to make this a comedy thread? Democrats are trying to release MORE information to put that memo in context. Republicans are trying to hide it.

I’m sure that the guy caught colluding with Trump’s campaign and who was recently caught trying to feed stories to Sean Hannity is giving it to you straight though. Hahaha.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I get that and the GOP are being little shits about it. Release it all. Everything. Today.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Assange gets it

Is this the same guy who was duped by a fake Sean Hannity cite?..yeah "he gets it" alright...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/julia...d-news-on-democrat-investigating-trump-russia

 

[fskimospy]

Read through The Hill article I posted above, I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

The GOP's arguments that the FBI investigated on flimsy evidence will zero in on ex-British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose unverified dossier of Trump allegations gave enormous momentum to the probe during the bitterly fought 2016 presidential election, say sources familiar with the memo.

They will argue the FBI failed to critically assess the political motives and credibility of Steele and did not fully disclose that evidence came from Clinton supporters as it sought to get permission from courts for surveillance warrants.

“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.

“The FBI allowed itself to be used by Clinton partisans to parlay single-sourced, mostly unverified evidence into a counterintelligence probe with clear weaknesses that weren’t disclosed,” the source added.

Yes, I’ve read this. I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

There’s nothing wrong or even particularly notable in using single sourced information in a warrant application. Imagine if you came to the cops and said you saw your neighbor making a bomb. That would be single sourced information used for a search warrant.

You will notice that now the GOP has backpedaled to admitting that the FBI included other evidence in their warrant application as well, meaning that the dossier was one of many reasons they had to get a warrant against him. This is probably why the judge approved it. It’s also probably why the warrant turned out to be a good idea as it was renewed.