Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[snarfbot]

What is interesting is that Nunes and Trump decided to hold up Page as some kind of victim, when it’s common knowledge this guy had suspicious dealings with Russia for years. Could they have tried to pick a more sympathetic fellow?

The only intelligent thing to conclude from the memo is that for some reason, the GOP is going out of its way to defend a known Russian agent and attack the FBI for doing what it’s supposed to do. Innocent people usually don’t behave like this.

he had a minor relationship to the trump campaign, should the president just let him be destroyed in a desperate attempt to discredit his administration? if there is any evidence that he was a russian agent i think that would have been demonstrated by now, after years of spying.

 

[fskimospy]

There's more, but it's behind a pay wall.

WSJ: Fusion’s Russia Fog

Let’s see. The Clinton campaign hires Fusion GPS, an opposition research firm, to investigate the Trump campaign. Fusion hires a former British spy, Christopher Steele, who produces a dossier based on Russian sources full of rumor, hearsay and an occasional fact to allege collusion between the Kremlin and Trump campaign.​

Serious question, who the fuck would you expect to provide information on the internal actions of the Russian government other than Russians?

Absolutely baffling.

 

[HomerJS]

That's not accurate. Been said over and over in here. The "dossier" was created by Steele who joined Fusion AFTER the DNC took over. Months after. Whether any info was gathered before may be up to debate but I haven't seen anything to suggest that's the case.

The data for the dossier was paid for by the Free Beacon. How many times do we need to go over that??

Dems took over payments, Steele was hired, the original data was used to create the dossier.

 

[Paratus]

he had a minor relationship to the trump campaign, should the president just let him be destroyed in a desperate attempt to discredit his administration? if there is any evidence that he was a russian agent i think that would have been demonstrated by now, after years of spying.

Not if by spying on him the FBI was generating good intelligence on matters of national security. Say on collusion between Russians and politicians.

 

[Jaskalas]

Serious question, who the fuck would you expect to provide information on the internal actions of the Russian government other than Russians?

Absolutely baffling.

So in the allegation that Trump worked with Russia to win the election.... Clinton actually paid someone who worked with Russia to smear Trump.

 

[snarfbot]

i think you are being willfully ignorant of the facts of this matter fskimospy, i dont think you want to have a reasoned argument.

 

[interchange]

WaPo, Oct 31, 2017: Clinton’s link to Putin is the underreported ‘dossier’ bombshell

If Clinton is dirty, let's go after her too. Mueller certainly has the authority to follow this lead.

Of course, I'm aware no evidence that any information from the opposition research was used by Clinton. I'm not even sure there is evidence that she knew the information was being collected.

 

[snarfbot]

The data for the dossier was paid for by the Free Beacon. How many times do we need to go over that??

Dems took over payments, Steele was hired, the original data was used to create the dossier.

http://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/fusion-gps-washington-free-beacon/

the free beacon denies that completely.

 

[ivwshane]

WaPo, Oct 31, 2017: Clinton’s link to Putin is the underreported ‘dossier’ bombshell

I see you've regressed into your former form and are now linking to opinion pieces by a writer with a strong Republican background and a history of writing false and misleading articles. This is another one of those articles and it relies on debunked information.

Congrats on being duped again. Sad and pathetic at the same time.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...run-by-ex-journalists/?utm_term=.8bcebaad6d9b

 

[Jaskalas]

If Clinton is dirty, let's go after her too. Mueller certainly has the authority to follow this lead.

Clinton isn't the target, these posts are providing evidence of the corruption of the dossier to people here who want to vouch for its credibility.

 

[jman19]

i think you are being willfully ignorant of the facts of this matter fskimospy, i dont think you want to have a reasoned argument.

Says the guy who has demonstrated a total lack of critical reading ability. You might want to take a look in the mirror.

 

[Jaskalas]

Where did you get the idea that the dossier is Russian propaganda?

WaPo, Oct 31, 2017: Clinton’s link to Putin is the underreported ‘dossier’ bombshell

There's more, but it's behind a pay wall.

WSJ: Fusion’s Russia Fog

Let’s see. The Clinton campaign hires Fusion GPS, an opposition research firm, to investigate the Trump campaign. Fusion hires a former British spy, Christopher Steele, who produces a dossier based on Russian sources full of rumor, hearsay and an occasional fact to allege collusion between the Kremlin and Trump campaign.​

I see you've regressed into your former form and are now linking to opinion pieces by a writer with a string Republican background and a history of writing false and misleading articles. This is another one of those articles and it relies on debunked information.

Congrats on being duped again. Sad and pathetic at the same time.

And the Wall Street Journal?

By all means, if you want to vouch for the dossier, show us the people and news organizations that also vouch for it.

 

[snarfbot]

Says the guy who has demonstrated a total lack of critical reading ability. You might want to take a look in the mirror.

slurp slurp slurp

 

[interchange]

Clinton isn't the target, these posts are providing evidence of the corruption of the dossier to people here who want to vouch for its credibility.

I get it. They are trying to point the finger elsewhere. I'm saying they can have 2 fingers pointing different directions if they want. Doesn't matter to me. Go wherever the evidence leads. I seriously doubt Clinton will be implicated, though.

 

[Paratus]

The data for the dossier was paid for by the Free Beacon. How many times do we need to go over that??

Dems took over payments, Steele was hired, the original data was used to create the dossier.

Here’s the argument.

• The Free Beacon payed Fusion for opposition research on Trump
• The Clinton campaign through a law firm took over paying for oppo research on Trump
• After Clinton took over then Steele came on board and produced the dossier

So republicans started the investigation but technically the Steele dossier was funded by the Dems.

 

[soundforbjt]

slurp slurp slurp

I don’t need to hear what you’d like to do with Trump’s junk.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Here’s the argument.

• The Free Beacon payed Fusion for opposition research on Trump
• The Clinton campaign through a law firm took over paying for oppo research on Trump
• After Clinton took over then Steele came on board and produced the dossier

So republicans started the investigation but technically the Steele dossier was funded by the Dems.

Yes I haven't seen anything that lays out when the data used was supposed to have been gathered. Given the supposed reliance on Steele's contacts I can't help but assume it was gathered after he joined the process.

 

[HomerJS]

http://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/fusion-gps-washington-free-beacon/

the free beacon denies that completely.

Even if they do and everything I've read says they paid first, it doesn't matter.

Data can be biased it just has to be correct. That's why you have to have corroboration. That's the way the FISA laws are written. Law enforcement at all level operates this way too.

 

[fskimospy]

So in the allegation that Trump worked with Russia to win the election.... Clinton actually paid someone who worked with Russia to smear Trump.

This has to be a joke. You didn’t answer my question: who would you get intelligence from about what the Russian government was doing other than Russians? It’s just an insane allegation to make.

The Russian government was engaging in criminal activity to interfere with our election. If Trump was colluding with them on that it’s a big deal. Getting information about that is the opposite of a crime. How could you compare the two?

 

[VRAMdemon]

he had a minor relationship to the trump campaign, should the president just let him be destroyed in a desperate attempt to discredit his administration? if there is any evidence that he was a russian agent i think that would have been demonstrated by now, after years of spying.

If Carter Page wasn't producing useful intelligence after approval of the initial authorized wiretap, renewal applications would have been denied. Unless all those FISA judges didn't care about doing their jobs.

 

[HomerJS]

http://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/fusion-gps-washington-free-beacon/

the free beacon denies that completely.

The lawyers for Fusion GPS disagree with you

Lawyers for the conservative publication Washington Free Beacon informed the House Intelligence Committee Friday that the organization was the original funder for the anti-Trump opposition research project with Fusion GPS.

The Free Beacon funded the project from the fall of 2015 through the spring of 2016, whereupon it withdrew funding and the project was picked up by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...-anti-trump-opposition-effort/article/2638850

Now are you claiming their lawyers lied to a House Intel Committee???

Can we please end the bullshit that the Clintons/Dems paid for the dossier. Both sides paid.

 

[HomerJS]

If Carter Page wasn't producing useful intelligence after approval of the initial authorized wiretap, renewal applications would have been denied. Unless all those FISA judges didn't care about doing their jobs.

The underlying secret intel would tell us that. You know the intel Nunes intentionally didn't review.

 

[HomerJS]

This has to be a joke. You didn’t answer my question: who would you get intelligence from about what the Russian government was doing other than Russians? It’s just an insane allegation to make.

The Russian government was engaging in criminal activity to interfere with our election. If Trump was colluding with them on that it’s a big deal. Getting information about that is the opposite of a crime. How could you compare the two?

and Trump did collude with them. Trump was stupid enough to do it in public

 

[umbrella39]

Man I really wish you Russian loving cocksuckers grandparents would have practiced safe sex. They are all doing cartwheels in their graves that their progeny have embraced an America hating treasonous coward. You guys are, again, on the wrong side of history. This is going to get very bad for you TrumpTards... We are not going to forget what you have done. Internment camps will be reserved for the worst of you...

 

[snarfbot]

The lawyers for Fusion GPS disagree with you

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...-anti-trump-opposition-effort/article/2638850

Now are you claiming their lawyers lied to a House Intel Committee???

Can we please end the bullshit that the Clintons/Dems paid for the dossier. Both sides paid.

the article you linked has the article i linked as an update to it, so no we cant end that conversation because it isn't as you say bullshit, its whatcha call the truth.