I come from an upper income area, and I have 2 friends in Iraq, with 4 more either being deployed or joining the military...
I come from an upper income area, and I have 2 friends in Iraq, with 4 more either being deployed or joining the military...
Do you find it "odd" that most here question your statements? I dont care if youre a military tool or a troll. To most and me youre always going to be a troll. Go away paletroll. Go back to freeperville.
WTF, I don't necessarily agree with all this dudes points but do you find your flaming to be purposeful?
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well for one, im not just a grunt. I also study History, terrorism, and religion academically. With both of those items on my resume, you may be able to guess my civilian line of work...
second, the sources I use are not linkable. I could, however, provide a great reading list to anyone interested in going beyond the mainstream media. My research and references go well beyond anything you will find in a newspaper, on TV, or on the Internet; and they also go well beyond anything put out by either political party.
the library is your friend.
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I dont find it "odd" at all! In fact, I'd expect it on a website that caters mainly to technical folk. I'm a major geek myself, but I find that most geeks fall far to the left... Heck, I'm no "freeper" either. I dont belong to any party or their political forums...
And there is no real need for insults man. If you disagree with me, I dont mind at all. I was simply bored while I sat here waiting for SuperPi to finish running on my new rig, so I figured I'd strike up some good 'ole political debate!
contribute or leave. plz and ty.
STFU, you war mongering grunt. Not everyone wants to go kill a "R4G-HEAD" as you probably call them behind closed doors.
I've been to Iraq, and being there has not justified the war for me in any way shape or form.
and for the the record... your little MCI's or whatever your branch calls them, are biased sources of information.
The draft is ignorant. Throwing more bodies at a problem is not always the answer. However, the Bush regime doesn't care to discuss the real solution to the war in Iraq because it's not profitable in the short term.
EDIT:
Oh, and I forgot to mention about Saddam's role in terrorism. Have you forgotten who trained Bin Laden and his cohorts? Do you realize that the U.S. created the very monster it now uses to justify war?
Ah, another trotzkyist, as if we didn't have enough of them in the current administration. People with your mindset have caused undescribible suffering in the last 100 years, much worse than any "sick part of the world" could have ever dreamed. Starting with Lenin and Trotsky, through Stalin, Churchill, Mao, Pol Pot, Sharon, assorted "Latin American meat-packing glitterati"**, and the current chimp in the White House, butchers who always knew what was right and never had the slightest compunction in slaughtering thousands and millions so that they can feel good about themselves. The End Justifies The Means in its purest form.
Have you ever considered that you ARE a sick part of the world?
** with apologies to Roger Waters
I WILL NOT fight a war that I don't believe in. I will kill myself before I kill another person in the name of a cause I believe to be completely wrong. And I hardly see fighting in Iraq as a service to my country.
Say what you like, but I will NEVER, EVER fight for this country as long as it continues to abuse, betray, rob, and murder in the name of blind capitalism.
And that's my stand.
Say what you like, but I will NEVER, EVER fight for this country as long as it continues to abuse, betray, rob, and murder in the name of blind capitalism.
And that's my stand.
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Well, i'll choose to ignore your insults and simply say that ALL singlular sources of information are "biased" in one way or another. That is why everyone should use as many different references as possible when approching this issue. (any issue)
but, since you brought it up, what would you consider "the real solution to the war in Iraq"?
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in actuality, the US never directly contributed to or met with Osama Bin Laden during the Afghan war with Russia. For politcal reasons, we gave the the control of arms and moneys distribution to the Pakistani ISI during the entire war. They, in turn, decided for their own various reasons to distribute those items throughout Afghanistan to the various Mujihadeen forces. I also hope you understand the reasons we had at the time for underminding the Russian expansion into Central Asia. yes? no?
I suggest you read a great book named "Ghost Wars" by Steve Coll that sums up the actions we took In Afghanistan from 1979-1990 very well. You may also wish to read "Afghanistan The Bear Trap: The Defeat of a Superpower" by Mohammed Yousaf. Once you finish those, I'll give you a few others to use as cross-references.
G'day.
LOL Trotskyist Mr. Mandushev?
I'd call myself more of a Che-ist Socialist who wants the best for our world and the children of the future.
Islam is not a religion of peace... It is tearing the world apart by the seams. We can't and shouldn't let them be successful.
Interesting how my post was ignored...perhaps you all prefer to quibble over saplings while the forest grows unnoticed.
No one cares, get of your house kid. Look at the real world.
You are the sapling in a forest full of giants.
Excellent advice, and I will take it to heart. Unfortunately, it doesn't apply one iota to the discussion at hand.
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that's your choice... but then I'd ask why it is that you remain a citizen of said country? Are you actively working toward changing its direction? What role are you playing in that change? Are you proud to be an American? Are you proud of our history?
It seems to me that if I felt that strongly, then I would a) do something very productive to change the country, or b) move away.
Or perhaps you enjoy all of the personal benefits of "blind capitalism", but just wont admit it?
Thump553
Lifer
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I lived through the draft once, and I wouldn't wish that on my children-or anyone else's.
Service to your country is important-and should be done by all of us, in varying degrees all our lifetime, and not limited to a brief perod of forced military duty.
Service to your country is important-and should be done by all of us, in varying degrees all our lifetime, and not limited to a brief perod of forced military duty.
I live in southern Indiana, and I've only been a few other places in the world that I would rather live. As far as changing things for the better, I've been doing a lot of soul searching as to what that actually means. Voting? Running for mayor? Leading a bloody revolution? But rest assured, when I figure it out, I'll run with it.
And the enjoying the fruits of blind capitalism is a very guilty pleasure of mine, I have to admit. But I'm trying to cut back on that, by buying food locally, clothes shopping at Goodwill, etc. Surely the occassional box of Frosted Flakes is permissable when measured against theft and fraud on an astronomical scale, as is perpetrated by the robber barons on a distressingly regular basis.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: fornax
.. and you are ready to slaughter millions to achieve that. "Che-ist Socialist" my $ss
just curious... but where exactly is the US "slaughtering millions"?
Oh, I see. By interpreting literally an OBVIOUS literary device, you skirt the real issue, thereby avoiding cornering yourself in a tricky moral dead-end.
You're good. Evil, but good.
Yeah, by killing >30,000 of them and injuring who knows how many. This administration doesn't give two sh*ts about "liberating" the Iraqis. All it wants is access to Iraq's natural resources and be able to setup permanent military bases in Iraq to protect the oil and Israel. Nothing else.
I'm dreaming? HA! I'm not the one living in a chickenhawk fantasy world, Mr. Counterstrike. For one, Saddam was NOT financing suicide bombings. That's just more of your Freeper spin. The link is tenuous, at best. He paid the surviving family members $25,000. That's not financing suicide bombers. And, yes, I'm aware of Iran's involvement in terrorism. One could argue (and it has been done) that the US should have invaded/occupied Iran as it was definitely guilty of being linked to Al Qaeda and other terror groups and was actively working on WMD programs and possessed WMDs. None of that was true about Iraq. None of it.
And, yes, Saddam was contained. Or are you calling Gen. Zinni, Colin Powell, and Condi Rice liars?
See, that's where you're wrong, yet again. Damn, I love that "compassionate conservatism"!
Uh, wtf do you think just happened in Iraq? Iran-lite was just voted into office on Dec. 15. Wake the fvck up! And, yes, they can take care of it themselves. Well, they could if the US and Britain would stay the hell out of their affairs. Western colonialism has only made matters worse in Iraq. It didn't work for the British in the early 1900s and it's not working for the US now.If we let them work it out themselves, then it will be worse than before we started. The ones with the guns are NOT the kind of people you want running their government. Can you imagine yet ANOTHER fundamental nation in ME holding hands with Iran as they nuke Israel off the map?! We cant let that happen, hence our continuing aid in the region in combatting insurgents. Our only hope in the region is to build democracies made up of non-fundamental persons (non-fanatics). If we cut and run anytime soon, then the insurgents will take over and make Saddam Hussein look like Mr. Rogers.China has its own human rights problems and you want them to help out in human rights situations?
Then you shoud consider yourself lucky. All of the economic indicators point to this "recovery" being heavily biased to corporations and the rich.
With what? If they had the explosives that the insurgents/terrorists have in Iraq (thanks to the US leaving the al Qaaqa facility wide open to be looted) don't you think they'd be using them now on their own people? And, your BS right-wing rhetoric re: "Kumbaya" is summarily dismissed.
You see, that's where your Kool-Aid indoctrination comes into play. The imperialistic foreign policy of the US for the last 25 years hasn't work. The efforts to spread capitalism in order for US companies to dominate the globe and keep boosting their stock prices has come at a heavy cost. We are on a path to destruction if this keeps up. No way around it.
Originally posted by: slash196
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: fornax
.. and you are ready to slaughter millions to achieve that. "Che-ist Socialist" my $ss
just curious... but where exactly is the US "slaughtering millions"?
Oh, I see. By interpreting literally an OBVIOUS literary device, you skirt the real issue, thereby avoiding cornering yourself in a tricky moral dead-end.
You're good. Evil, but good.
So Mr. Mandushev what is the obvious dead-end?
Leave the BS for the playground at recess, Condor.
IOW, grow up.
But, fwiw, the last time I was at a firing range, I outshot the engineer I was with (using .22, .38, and 9mm) and in China last month, I scored the 2nd highest score of the day at an archery club in Shanghai.
IOW, grow up.
But, fwiw, the last time I was at a firing range, I outshot the engineer I was with (using .22, .38, and 9mm) and in China last month, I scored the 2nd highest score of the day at an archery club in Shanghai.
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